i think herlings/cairoli could take dungey/villo at millville

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The diffence between AC and RD real is not like at lommel, but they can do a great and funny battle in the USA tracks!
On the sand cairoli is more fast, and obviously dungey is more fast in USA tracks.
But I'm sure that if Tony Will came in National championship he can do the competition more interesting and funny for everyone.
Also i'm sure of the opposite. If americans like villo, RD or james came to do a season in europe they can do very well and win over cairoli.
The problem is that's are only dreaming.... We need to wait an other year to watch the best race, with the best riders...
But for me the answer is easy.
The real thinking of a best american riders, is that they wouldn't go to race in europe because level is considered lower.
And european riders they don't want to go in america to demostrate the opposite.
The perfect soluzion is 1 race a year AC,JH,desalle ecc...can fly in USA.
But at the same Villo,RD,JS7 ecc...need to to a MX gp. Only the sponsor can create problems...
1 race at home and 1 outside.
Riders think about it, you have enaught money to do this!
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Ehum, not a chance. Cairoli may be able to show his front wheel at one time or two. But i just dont see it happen, RV is a beast. It takes pretty much to beat that guy on home soil. And Herlings.....really?Huh
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10/5/2012 2:03am Edited Date/Time 10/5/2012 2:04am
I agree with the post 2 above me...i think.

I would pay out $1k to any american or Chad reed if they won a GP next year...get a couple more people on board and they may have a reason to race. Although, Im guessing it would have to be one of the last GP's of the year after nationals are done or at least the title is decided... my only stipulation would be the track cant be in the U.S.
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Ehum, not a chance. Cairoli may be able to show his front wheel at one time or two. But i just dont see it happen, RV...
Ehum, not a chance. Cairoli may be able to show his front wheel at one time or two. But i just dont see it happen, RV is a beast. It takes pretty much to beat that guy on home soil. And Herlings.....really?Huh
I didn't say that cairoli will beat villopoto, I sead only that the challenge between both will be very interesting and funny for us.
And if they will race 1 time in USA and 1 in Europe we can judge better the real level of 2 championship.
No excuse for anyone...this is my thinking

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10/5/2012 2:31am Edited Date/Time 10/5/2012 2:33am
Of course they could win there, Reed beat Dungey in a moto there last year, so Cairoli and Herlings would definitely challenge Villopoto and Dungey. They might win, they might not, but they would all be a similar speed, if they got a decent length of practice!

If anyone thinks they wouldn't be close they are deluded. They certainly wouldn't get beat by as much as Dungey did at Lommel lol
10/5/2012 2:37am
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Of course they could win there, Reed beat Dungey in a moto there last year, so Cairoli and Herlings would definitely challenge Villopoto and Dungey. They...
Of course they could win there, Reed beat Dungey in a moto there last year, so Cairoli and Herlings would definitely challenge Villopoto and Dungey. They might win, they might not, but they would all be a similar speed, if they got a decent length of practice!

If anyone thinks they wouldn't be close they are deluded. They certainly wouldn't get beat by as much as Dungey did at Lommel lol
good call dude, at least someones staying off the 'butthurt' crack pipe
10/5/2012 2:43am
I think Cairoli and Herlings would love it at those tracks and could win

They fly to different races across the world to new places like Mexico,Brazil USA etc and have done great

Dungey and Barcia ran really strong at Southwick,but they're not really AC and JH's sand pace

All the Motos Cairoli and Dungey have raced straight up and finished together,there's never been much between them,(aside from Lommel)

People underestimate Herlings on hardpack too,MXdN in France was pretty good for him,
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10/5/2012 3:22am
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Of course they could win there, Reed beat Dungey in a moto there last year, so Cairoli and Herlings would definitely challenge Villopoto and Dungey. They...
Of course they could win there, Reed beat Dungey in a moto there last year, so Cairoli and Herlings would definitely challenge Villopoto and Dungey. They might win, they might not, but they would all be a similar speed, if they got a decent length of practice!

If anyone thinks they wouldn't be close they are deluded. They certainly wouldn't get beat by as much as Dungey did at Lommel lol
Reedy rips at Millville... his fav track and he's given JS and RC hell there... I still say the heat is the deciding factor at any US race and especially a series... Kenny Roczen agrees...
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10/5/2012 3:37am
dungey is 3-1 vs Cairoli with 3 of those OA being on GP tracks......As stated, 12 race series between top 5 in AMA 250/450 and MX1/MX2 class, 4 AMA tracks, 4 GP tracks and 4 SX, (2 in US, 2 in Europe,) and you won't have a GP guy in the top 5 at the end......
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You all know im a huge GP fan and think the top of the MX1 class is on par with top of AMA 450 class, but...
You all know im a huge GP fan and think the top of the MX1 class is on par with top of AMA 450 class, but lets be realistic. Cairoli would stand no chance vs Dungey at Millville. The kid hasn't lost a overall there since 2008.

Look, Cairoli spanked Dung at Lommel, I get that, but overall Dungey is 3-1 vs Cairoli at the Nations. I understand Antonio's had some bad luck, but in Lakewood Dungey had him straight up handled. He loses once and now Cairoli suddenly can beat him in his back yard at Milleville? Come on now, really? I think momma Canard said it best already.. Lol
Didn't Cairoli win a moto in the 2009 MXON held in Italy (HARDPACK) beating Reed & Dungey ?
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Or was Dungey in that moto ? he may have been racing the Open class, Dunno !!
10/5/2012 4:07am Edited Date/Time 10/5/2012 4:38am
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dungey is 3-1 vs Cairoli with 3 of those OA being on GP tracks......As stated, 12 race series between top 5 in AMA 250/450 and MX1/MX2...
dungey is 3-1 vs Cairoli with 3 of those OA being on GP tracks......As stated, 12 race series between top 5 in AMA 250/450 and MX1/MX2 class, 4 AMA tracks, 4 GP tracks and 4 SX, (2 in US, 2 in Europe,) and you won't have a GP guy in the top 5 at the end......
SX?? Who said anything about indoor racing? Unless I missed that its part of the Nationals...

Dungey is only 3-1 because Cairoli DNF'd, that comparison is like speculating that the odds are Dungey would beat Cairoli at Southwick because Cairoli would probably crash

The fairest way to match the two is their speed when they raced straight up against each other

Thats unless you'd be happy that if in 2 Motos raced at Southwick,if Cairoli went down in the first turn and DNF'd both times and Dungey won,you'd be quite happy to say Dungey spanked him??

Cairoli would be a match for anyone anywhere,end of story
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10/5/2012 4:32am
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dungey is 3-1 vs Cairoli with 3 of those OA being on GP tracks......As stated, 12 race series between top 5 in AMA 250/450 and MX1/MX2...
dungey is 3-1 vs Cairoli with 3 of those OA being on GP tracks......As stated, 12 race series between top 5 in AMA 250/450 and MX1/MX2 class, 4 AMA tracks, 4 GP tracks and 4 SX, (2 in US, 2 in Europe,) and you won't have a GP guy in the top 5 at the end......
SX?? Who said anything about indoor racing? Unless I missed that its part of the Nationals... Dungey is only 3-1 because Cairoli DNF'd, that comparison is...
SX?? Who said anything about indoor racing? Unless I missed that its part of the Nationals...

Dungey is only 3-1 because Cairoli DNF'd, that comparison is like speculating that the odds are Dungey would beat Cairoli at Southwick because Cairoli would probably crash

The fairest way to match the two is their speed when they raced straight up against each other

Thats unless you'd be happy that if in 2 Motos raced at Southwick,if Cairoli went down in the first turn and DNF'd both times and Dungey won,you'd be quite happy to say Dungey spanked him??

Cairoli would be a match for anyone anywhere,end of story
I didnt say that you or anyone else said anything about SX but SX is part of dirt bike racing, albeit the biggest commercial part, so I included it in my fantasy series......does that cause a problem?

Last I looked DNF'ing is part of racing, NO? if its not, then we should give Justin Barcia a 5th in that 1st moto at Lommel correct? Seem to think he had the same problems as Cairoli in Italy but choose to ride on unlike AC?

In my fantasy series I would put Southwick on the schedule to give the GP riders a little bit better chance. I will throw in Unadilla(very GP like), Millville and Red Bud. You can schedule Lommel, Lierop, ?,?. Go A1 and SD, plus Bercy and Italian SX and still I stand by my opinions.....NO GP rider in top 5 at end of series....
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10/5/2012 4:49am
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MXoN at Millville... wetdream...
Yep, MXoN at Millville could quite possibly be the greatest thing ever...
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Laptimes from the time they've met in (Hardpack) France:

Race2

Ryan Villopoto 1.49.7
Jeffery Herlings 1.49.9



Race3

Ryan Villopoto 1.44.4
Ryan Dungey 1.46.0
Jeffery Herlings 1.46.3

That was a year ago,Herlings Rookie race on the big bike,he's definately improved since,

However in was in Europe so there's a Euro advantage,I'm not saying Herlings would beat everyone at other US tracks,he'd LOVE Southwick and I'm sure he'd run upfront somewhere in the Nationals,

Like him or not,the kid's damn fast!!
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10/5/2012 5:16am Edited Date/Time 10/5/2012 5:50am
Huckster wrote:
I didnt say that you or anyone else said anything about SX but SX is part of dirt bike racing, albeit the biggest commercial part, so...
I didnt say that you or anyone else said anything about SX but SX is part of dirt bike racing, albeit the biggest commercial part, so I included it in my fantasy series......does that cause a problem?

Last I looked DNF'ing is part of racing, NO? if its not, then we should give Justin Barcia a 5th in that 1st moto at Lommel correct? Seem to think he had the same problems as Cairoli in Italy but choose to ride on unlike AC?

In my fantasy series I would put Southwick on the schedule to give the GP riders a little bit better chance. I will throw in Unadilla(very GP like), Millville and Red Bud. You can schedule Lommel, Lierop, ?,?. Go A1 and SD, plus Bercy and Italian SX and still I stand by my opinions.....NO GP rider in top 5 at end of series....
Actually, scrap that, Im talking rubbish.

I imagine it would be pretty tricky for any GP in that scenario, based on the fact few of them even ride Supercross. To my knowledge Frossard, Desalle, Nagl and Herlings have little or no SX experience whatsoever. Pourcel would probably be the best bet, but who knows how motivated he would be... maybe that kind of series would appeal to him?
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10/5/2012 5:28am
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dungey is 3-1 vs Cairoli with 3 of those OA being on GP tracks......As stated, 12 race series between top 5 in AMA 250/450 and MX1/MX2...
dungey is 3-1 vs Cairoli with 3 of those OA being on GP tracks......As stated, 12 race series between top 5 in AMA 250/450 and MX1/MX2 class, 4 AMA tracks, 4 GP tracks and 4 SX, (2 in US, 2 in Europe,) and you won't have a GP guy in the top 5 at the end......
SX?? Who said anything about indoor racing? Unless I missed that its part of the Nationals... Dungey is only 3-1 because Cairoli DNF'd, that comparison is...
SX?? Who said anything about indoor racing? Unless I missed that its part of the Nationals...

Dungey is only 3-1 because Cairoli DNF'd, that comparison is like speculating that the odds are Dungey would beat Cairoli at Southwick because Cairoli would probably crash

The fairest way to match the two is their speed when they raced straight up against each other

Thats unless you'd be happy that if in 2 Motos raced at Southwick,if Cairoli went down in the first turn and DNF'd both times and Dungey won,you'd be quite happy to say Dungey spanked him??

Cairoli would be a match for anyone anywhere,end of story
Huckster wrote:
I didnt say that you or anyone else said anything about SX but SX is part of dirt bike racing, albeit the biggest commercial part, so...
I didnt say that you or anyone else said anything about SX but SX is part of dirt bike racing, albeit the biggest commercial part, so I included it in my fantasy series......does that cause a problem?

Last I looked DNF'ing is part of racing, NO? if its not, then we should give Justin Barcia a 5th in that 1st moto at Lommel correct? Seem to think he had the same problems as Cairoli in Italy but choose to ride on unlike AC?

In my fantasy series I would put Southwick on the schedule to give the GP riders a little bit better chance. I will throw in Unadilla(very GP like), Millville and Red Bud. You can schedule Lommel, Lierop, ?,?. Go A1 and SD, plus Bercy and Italian SX and still I stand by my opinions.....NO GP rider in top 5 at end of series....
This is Nationals,don't twist things if you want a series do 6 X AMA tracks 6 X GP tracks that's everyone's fantasy series,

The Barcia thing is Bulshit,it doesn't have no resemblance to comparing who's faster,if you want to go there then you're saying these guys are equal to him
Barcia is 1-1 vs Leok
Barcia is 1-1 vs De Dycker
Barcia is 1-1 vs Guaneri
Barcia is 1-1 vs Boog

(obviously leaving out the qualifyer Wink )
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10/5/2012 5:43am Edited Date/Time 10/5/2012 5:48am
I love how Americans think it is impossible that the World Champions could be on the same pace as a Villopoto or Dungey at Millville/southwick lol Of course the Americans would be favourites since it is their own country, but still, other non american riders have beat those two so of course the two current world champs could. Any of them could win a race at Millville, plus other riders. ( Dungey of course would be the favourite though)

When Americans win the World Championship then you can proclaim your rider is the best in the world, (without the advantage of racing foreign riders in ur own country or as team) Until just admit to the truth that they are all great riders and any of them can beat each other anywhere. (except maybe Lommel) lol
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10/5/2012 5:51am Edited Date/Time 10/5/2012 5:52am
Careful what you wish for.......Americans are quick learners. The blueprint is there. It was totally foreign to the Americans. To me, this sand thing is similar to the Bubba Scrub. .......a game changer at first, then as it is studied and practiced it becomes common place.

What Herlings and Cairoli were doing wasn't rocket science or other worldly skill. It was a technique that can be learned and mastered by other talented riders.

Like I said, careful what you wish for......................sometimes your weakness becomes your strength.
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JB 19 wrote:
Careful what you wish for.......Americans are quick learners. The blueprint is there. It was totally foreign to the Americans. To me, this sand thing is similar...
Careful what you wish for.......Americans are quick learners. The blueprint is there. It was totally foreign to the Americans. To me, this sand thing is similar to the Bubba Scrub. .......a game changer at first, then as it is studied and practiced it becomes common place.

What Herlings and Cairoli were doing wasn't rocket science or other worldly skill. It was a technique that can be learned and mastered by other talented riders.

Like I said, careful what you wish for......................sometimes your weakness becomes your strength.
'What Herlings and Cairoli were doing wasn't rocket science or other worldly skill. It was a technique that can be learned and mastered by other talented riders.'

Same goes for Supercross.
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JB 19 wrote:
Careful what you wish for.......Americans are quick learners. The blueprint is there. It was totally foreign to the Americans. To me, this sand thing is similar...
Careful what you wish for.......Americans are quick learners. The blueprint is there. It was totally foreign to the Americans. To me, this sand thing is similar to the Bubba Scrub. .......a game changer at first, then as it is studied and practiced it becomes common place.

What Herlings and Cairoli were doing wasn't rocket science or other worldly skill. It was a technique that can be learned and mastered by other talented riders.

Like I said, careful what you wish for......................sometimes your weakness becomes your strength.
you hit the nail on the head

Herlings has brought sand riding on a completely different level
that's the point the euros try to make for a long time
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10/5/2012 6:05am
If you think Millville is a sand track then you've never been there.
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10/5/2012 6:06am Edited Date/Time 10/5/2012 6:07am
JB 19 wrote:
Careful what you wish for.......Americans are quick learners. The blueprint is there. It was totally foreign to the Americans. To me, this sand thing is similar...
Careful what you wish for.......Americans are quick learners. The blueprint is there. It was totally foreign to the Americans. To me, this sand thing is similar to the Bubba Scrub. .......a game changer at first, then as it is studied and practiced it becomes common place.

What Herlings and Cairoli were doing wasn't rocket science or other worldly skill. It was a technique that can be learned and mastered by other talented riders.

Like I said, careful what you wish for......................sometimes your weakness becomes your strength.
jamma10 wrote:
[i]'What Herlings and Cairoli were doing wasn't rocket science or other worldly skill. It was a technique that can be learned and mastered by other talented...
'What Herlings and Cairoli were doing wasn't rocket science or other worldly skill. It was a technique that can be learned and mastered by other talented riders.'

Same goes for Supercross.
Exactly. Then it all comes down to work ethic. What will you sacrifice to be the best? Desire knows no address.
10/5/2012 6:09am
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Careful what you wish for.......Americans are quick learners. The blueprint is there. It was totally foreign to the Americans. To me, this sand thing is similar...
Careful what you wish for.......Americans are quick learners. The blueprint is there. It was totally foreign to the Americans. To me, this sand thing is similar to the Bubba Scrub. .......a game changer at first, then as it is studied and practiced it becomes common place.

What Herlings and Cairoli were doing wasn't rocket science or other worldly skill. It was a technique that can be learned and mastered by other talented riders.

Like I said, careful what you wish for......................sometimes your weakness becomes your strength.
Of course they can learn anything but if this is to become true with sand riding then the Americans are going to need a Lommel type sand track on the National schedule, otherwise only the riders picked for an MXDN at Lierop or Lommel would ever bother learning, at which point (just as with this year) it would be too little too late. With the GPs it's on the schedule 2 or 3 times a year and so everyone is forced to learn it if they want to be a contender.

Deep sand riding (to AC's level) is not something that comes over night, you have to ride it until you're sick of it - listen to Zach Osborne's most recent interview on Pulpmx to see what I mean. I just can't imagine the National riders addressing that weakness if the AMA tour doesn't even feature ONE single deep sand track.
10/5/2012 6:14am
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I actually think if you took the top 5 AMA 450/250 riders and top 5 MX/MX2 riders from this year series and ran a 12 race...
I actually think if you took the top 5 AMA 450/250 riders and top 5 MX/MX2 riders from this year series and ran a 12 race series with 4 AMA national tracks, 4 GP tracks and 4 SX, that there wouldn't be a GP rider in the top 5 at the end........
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10/5/2012 6:55am
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I love how Americans think it is impossible that the World Champions could be on the same pace as a Villopoto or Dungey at Millville/southwick lol...
I love how Americans think it is impossible that the World Champions could be on the same pace as a Villopoto or Dungey at Millville/southwick lol Of course the Americans would be favourites since it is their own country, but still, other non american riders have beat those two so of course the two current world champs could. Any of them could win a race at Millville, plus other riders. ( Dungey of course would be the favourite though)

When Americans win the World Championship then you can proclaim your rider is the best in the world, (without the advantage of racing foreign riders in ur own country or as team) Until just admit to the truth that they are all great riders and any of them can beat each other anywhere. (except maybe Lommel) lol
You know what? Peace, out.

The horse is dead, yet you just keep beating it.
10/5/2012 7:11am
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I love how Americans think it is impossible that the World Champions could be on the same pace as a Villopoto or Dungey at Millville/southwick lol...
I love how Americans think it is impossible that the World Champions could be on the same pace as a Villopoto or Dungey at Millville/southwick lol Of course the Americans would be favourites since it is their own country, but still, other non american riders have beat those two so of course the two current world champs could. Any of them could win a race at Millville, plus other riders. ( Dungey of course would be the favourite though)

When Americans win the World Championship then you can proclaim your rider is the best in the world, (without the advantage of racing foreign riders in ur own country or as team) Until just admit to the truth that they are all great riders and any of them can beat each other anywhere. (except maybe Lommel) lol
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You know what? Peace, out.

The horse is dead, yet you just keep beating it.
Tell him Mom, but then again he probably argued with his own parents about everything he could.
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JB 19 wrote:
Careful what you wish for.......Americans are quick learners. The blueprint is there. It was totally foreign to the Americans. To me, this sand thing is similar...
Careful what you wish for.......Americans are quick learners. The blueprint is there. It was totally foreign to the Americans. To me, this sand thing is similar to the Bubba Scrub. .......a game changer at first, then as it is studied and practiced it becomes common place.

What Herlings and Cairoli were doing wasn't rocket science or other worldly skill. It was a technique that can be learned and mastered by other talented riders.

Like I said, careful what you wish for......................sometimes your weakness becomes your strength.
jamma10 wrote:
[i]'What Herlings and Cairoli were doing wasn't rocket science or other worldly skill. It was a technique that can be learned and mastered by other talented...
'What Herlings and Cairoli were doing wasn't rocket science or other worldly skill. It was a technique that can be learned and mastered by other talented riders.'

Same goes for Supercross.
Exactly and that is why I added SX....fact is SX is a HUGE part of motocross globally and probably the # 1 commecial aspect of this sport. If we are going to find out who is best in my fanatasy series, then SX has to be a part of it.....as does Lommel, lierop, dilla, red bud etc......
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SX?? Who said anything about indoor racing? Unless I missed that its part of the Nationals... Dungey is only 3-1 because Cairoli DNF'd, that comparison is...
SX?? Who said anything about indoor racing? Unless I missed that its part of the Nationals...

Dungey is only 3-1 because Cairoli DNF'd, that comparison is like speculating that the odds are Dungey would beat Cairoli at Southwick because Cairoli would probably crash

The fairest way to match the two is their speed when they raced straight up against each other

Thats unless you'd be happy that if in 2 Motos raced at Southwick,if Cairoli went down in the first turn and DNF'd both times and Dungey won,you'd be quite happy to say Dungey spanked him??

Cairoli would be a match for anyone anywhere,end of story
Huckster wrote:
I didnt say that you or anyone else said anything about SX but SX is part of dirt bike racing, albeit the biggest commercial part, so...
I didnt say that you or anyone else said anything about SX but SX is part of dirt bike racing, albeit the biggest commercial part, so I included it in my fantasy series......does that cause a problem?

Last I looked DNF'ing is part of racing, NO? if its not, then we should give Justin Barcia a 5th in that 1st moto at Lommel correct? Seem to think he had the same problems as Cairoli in Italy but choose to ride on unlike AC?

In my fantasy series I would put Southwick on the schedule to give the GP riders a little bit better chance. I will throw in Unadilla(very GP like), Millville and Red Bud. You can schedule Lommel, Lierop, ?,?. Go A1 and SD, plus Bercy and Italian SX and still I stand by my opinions.....NO GP rider in top 5 at end of series....
PressPassP wrote:
This is Nationals,don't twist things if you want a series do 6 X AMA tracks 6 X GP tracks that's everyone's fantasy series, The Barcia thing...
This is Nationals,don't twist things if you want a series do 6 X AMA tracks 6 X GP tracks that's everyone's fantasy series,

The Barcia thing is Bulshit,it doesn't have no resemblance to comparing who's faster,if you want to go there then you're saying these guys are equal to him
Barcia is 1-1 vs Leok
Barcia is 1-1 vs De Dycker
Barcia is 1-1 vs Guaneri
Barcia is 1-1 vs Boog

(obviously leaving out the qualifyer Wink )
Umm...wrong....the first moto Justin raced with a broken wheel due to a crash. Doesnt count.....editors note: Please see GP fanboys excuse for Cairoli losing to Dungey in Italy for reference: Wink
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Well, to be fair Barcia's was kind of self inflicted whereas Cairoli was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Also Cairoli's bike was wrecked in that crash, the sub frame had collapsed at the exhaust was hanging off. He would have been disqualified even if he'd tried to continue.

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