So, the 2 best riders in the world

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Jefro98 9/12/2012 3:09am
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haydos25 wrote:
He's also what? 16, 17 yrs of age? You think AC92, Webb or Bisceglia or any of the other LL phenoms in his age group are...
He's also what? 16, 17 yrs of age?

You think AC92, Webb or Bisceglia or any of the other LL phenoms in his age group are running anywhere near as fast as he is at the moment?
HenryA wrote:
Oh you mean like Roczen that is as old as Herligns but already has a Wrold Championship title, a second place in a 450 sx race...
Oh you mean like Roczen that is as old as Herligns but already has a Wrold Championship title, a second place in a 450 sx race, a sx 250 win and a 250 moto win outdoors? Wink
More facts:

Roczen is 6 month older then Herlings which allowed him to start racing GP’s early in the 2009 season.
His first GP was in Portugal, 2 weeks after he turned 15.
Roczen raced 11 GP’s in 2009.
Herlings turned 15 halfway through September when the 2009 season was already over.
His first GP was the first GP of the 2010 season.
UpTiTe 9/12/2012 5:50am
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UpTiTe wrote:
What are you going to say when a 17 year old kid who can't ride supercross beats our supercross guys in the sand?
fader418 wrote:
Who gives a crap. Its the only track he can do it on. Herlings wouldn't be in the top 5 over here in the 250 class.
Thats a very uneducated statement. He hung with Roczen the majority of last year and beat him four times, but he sucks on hard pack right?
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Think so, he def won a GP his first year. Everts had to be pretty young, winning a 125 title back in 1991. Bubba won the...
Think so, he def won a GP his first year. Everts had to be pretty young, winning a 125 title back in 1991. Bubba won the 125 Title at 16 I believe too. Herlings is great in his own right of course
Jefro98 wrote:
Just some facts. Herlings started racing GP’s at age 15, he won the third GP he entered at Valkenswaard, still at 15, youngest winner ever indeed...
Just some facts.
Herlings started racing GP’s at age 15, he won the third GP he entered at Valkenswaard, still at 15, youngest winner ever indeed.
It’s his birthday today, turns 18 today.

Everts raced his first GP at 17. Won his first title two years later when he was 19.
Shows you how easy that second rate series is to win.... ;-)
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Jefro98 9/12/2012 6:17am
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Shows you how easy that second rate series is to win.... ;-)
Lol.
That's the other way to explain it.
I'd say those 2 teenagers are exeptionally talented. Smile

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Lowlander 9/12/2012 6:29am
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I love the supercross analogy.

You failed to mention that the greatest supercross rider in the history of the sport wasn't so good at motocross. Certainly couldn't dominate with his supercross skills outdoors now could he.
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Derpin' DJ 9/12/2012 6:51am
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Not to mention that the 250 AMA National champ came 4th (almost 5th) in a regional sx championship Tongue
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peelout 9/12/2012 6:53am
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This is a littlest dick measuring contest if I've ever seen one.
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mxgeoff 9/12/2012 7:04am
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Can't ride Supercross? It's an interesting thing to have in common. If they are truly great riders, then they should be able to pick up Supercross...
Can't ride Supercross? It's an interesting thing to have in common. If they are truly great riders, then they should be able to pick up Supercross like any of our amateur riders coming up. If they can't, then that's a problem. To be the best, you need to be well rounded.

How about a neutral race like the Monster Cup, it would more than pay their way over.........if they can win. This shouldn't be a problem for the BEST riders in the world, you know....legends.
Or maybe they are not interested in Supercross.....possible, even for the fastest Motocross riders in the World. I mean, no disrespect, but De Coster, Robert, Hallman, Everts, Geboers, Everts, Smets, Jobe, and that Cairoli guy couldn't and can''t race Supercross. Those guys must suck big time!!!!
NateDawg122 9/12/2012 7:27am
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chrisbuehler wrote:
He's gonna be 18 in December. He's not any younger than the fast guys over here
haydos25 wrote:
He has been winning for 3 years though. Kids in the states are still on superminis at the age he was winning world championship events in...
He has been winning for 3 years though. Kids in the states are still on superminis at the age he was winning world championship events in the pro class

Even Chad Reed was 18 when he began racing overseas. This kid has had a lot of success very early, and i think deserves a bit of respct for his ability on a bike. Not alot of that floating around in this place unfortunately.
Maybe that's because their amateur leagues aren't half as competitive as ours?
Lawrence929 9/12/2012 7:29am
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peelout wrote:
This is a littlest dick measuring contest if I've ever seen one.
No yours is smaller!
NateDawg122 9/12/2012 7:33am
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mccread wrote:
He is 17 Baggett Tomac and Barcia are all 20/21. They have also never raced a series outside their own country. Herlings and Roczen were racing...
He is 17 Baggett Tomac and Barcia are all 20/21. They have also never raced a series outside their own country. Herlings and Roczen were racing GPs at 15, when all those guys were riding schoolboys at that age.

Herlings and Roczen are phenomenal talents, two of the best the world has ever seen.

and Machine, SX is an American sport, Motocross is worldwide.

You don't see many Americans willing to take them on in the World championship.
Baggett and Barcia are 20. Tomac is 19. Get your facts right next time.
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kongols 9/12/2012 7:44am
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Your National champion Blake Baggett has won just one supercross race and has never been on a podium at the end of the season.
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mccread 9/12/2012 8:15am
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mccread wrote:
He is 17 Baggett Tomac and Barcia are all 20/21. They have also never raced a series outside their own country. Herlings and Roczen were racing...
He is 17 Baggett Tomac and Barcia are all 20/21. They have also never raced a series outside their own country. Herlings and Roczen were racing GPs at 15, when all those guys were riding schoolboys at that age.

Herlings and Roczen are phenomenal talents, two of the best the world has ever seen.

and Machine, SX is an American sport, Motocross is worldwide.

You don't see many Americans willing to take them on in the World championship.
NateDawg122 wrote:
Baggett and Barcia are 20. Tomac is 19. Get your facts right next time.
Tomac was 17 at Hangtown 2010 I think...

I said 20/21 as in 20 or 21. So that makes me right if they are both 20.
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Barrett57 9/12/2012 8:22am
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This thread was always going to be nothing but a Vitard magnet.
NateDawg122 9/12/2012 8:25am
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mccread wrote:
Tomac was 17 at Hangtown 2010 I think... I said 20/21 as in 20 or 21. So that makes me right if they are both 20...
Tomac was 17 at Hangtown 2010 I think...

I said 20/21 as in 20 or 21. So that makes me right if they are both 20.
Can you read? Tomac is 19! Your not right.
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kongols 9/12/2012 8:27am
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Tomac was 17 at Hangtown 2010 I think... I said 20/21 as in 20 or 21. So that makes me right if they are both 20...
Tomac was 17 at Hangtown 2010 I think...

I said 20/21 as in 20 or 21. So that makes me right if they are both 20.
NateDawg122 wrote:
Can you read? Tomac is 19! Your not right.
It`s "you`re".
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TDeath21 9/12/2012 9:24am
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The best two MX riders in the world have the same first name. After that, honestly, 3-10 is a crap shoot.
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TeamGreen 9/12/2012 9:30am
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Lowlander wrote:
I love the supercross analogy. You failed to mention that the greatest supercross rider in the history of the sport wasn't so good at motocross. Certainly...
I love the supercross analogy.

You failed to mention that the greatest supercross rider in the history of the sport wasn't so good at motocross. Certainly couldn't dominate with his supercross skills outdoors now could he.
I guess that's why there's only -1- G.O.A.T....?

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lilbulld 9/12/2012 9:36am
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Lowlander wrote:
I love the supercross analogy. You failed to mention that the greatest supercross rider in the history of the sport wasn't so good at motocross. Certainly...
I love the supercross analogy.

You failed to mention that the greatest supercross rider in the history of the sport wasn't so good at motocross. Certainly couldn't dominate with his supercross skills outdoors now could he.
Seriously? Well, ok , I guess if you consider today as being opposite day, or that winning only one outdoor big bike title as being "not so good", then you could be correct.. In my opinion, proving yourself by winning a title and then choosing to not race that particular series anymore doesnt make you "not so good"....
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kongols wrote:
Your National champion Blake Baggett has won just one supercross race and has never been on a podium at the end of the season.
Bagget has 3 supercross wins. Dallas in 2010 on the Rockstar Suzuki Team, and Daytona and Las Vegas in 2011 with PC. He just missed finshing 3rd overall by 4 pts in 2011 and 10 pts in 2012.
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TeamGreen 9/12/2012 9:41am
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Hold up a second, here...

Some of you are saying MC can't rail out-doors...my bad...I just realized this.

MC simply didn't WANT to race "Outdoors" anymore & he had his reasons. But, let's be clear...he DID have some SUCCESS "Outdoors"...
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haydos25 wrote:
He's also what? 16, 17 yrs of age? You think AC92, Webb or Bisceglia or any of the other LL phenoms in his age group are...
He's also what? 16, 17 yrs of age?

You think AC92, Webb or Bisceglia or any of the other LL phenoms in his age group are running anywhere near as fast as he is at the moment?
HenryA wrote:
Oh you mean like Roczen that is as old as Herligns but already has a Wrold Championship title, a second place in a 450 sx race...
Oh you mean like Roczen that is as old as Herligns but already has a Wrold Championship title, a second place in a 450 sx race, a sx 250 win and a 250 moto win outdoors? Wink
well its lucky he wrapped up the World Championship whilst he was still 17 then ay..
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TeamGreen wrote:
Hold up a second, here... Some of you are saying MC can't rail out-doors...my bad...I just realized this. MC simply didn't WANT to race "Outdoors" anymore...
Hold up a second, here...

Some of you are saying MC can't rail out-doors...my bad...I just realized this.

MC simply didn't WANT to race "Outdoors" anymore & he had his reasons. But, let's be clear...he DID have some SUCCESS "Outdoors"...
I think 95.. i have the season review with David Bailey and Art Eckman. My god were those two a treat to listen to.

One quote I recall..


David Bailey-

"I saw Jeremy in the off season.. and he looked about 20 pounds lighter. And anytime you can change your appearance THAT much (in his David Bailey face) you're serious about something."

And MC Took the shit home that year. Cause he wanted to.

These guys kid themselves that MC couldn't have won more MX titles. Those who paid attention know better.
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TeamGreen wrote:
Hold up a second, here... Some of you are saying MC can't rail out-doors...my bad...I just realized this. MC simply didn't WANT to race "Outdoors" anymore...
Hold up a second, here...

Some of you are saying MC can't rail out-doors...my bad...I just realized this.

MC simply didn't WANT to race "Outdoors" anymore & he had his reasons. But, let's be clear...he DID have some SUCCESS "Outdoors"...
And SMOKED everyone in '96 at the MXDN as well. Like Manny said it isn't he couldn't, he didn't want to. He nearly won the '96 MX championship too, with a jacked up foot.
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Big 9/12/2012 10:51am
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By that logic, they should race enduro as well
Trial and roadracing too?
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TeamGreen 9/12/2012 10:52am
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TeamGreen wrote:
Hold up a second, here... Some of you are saying MC can't rail out-doors...my bad...I just realized this. MC simply didn't WANT to race "Outdoors" anymore...
Hold up a second, here...

Some of you are saying MC can't rail out-doors...my bad...I just realized this.

MC simply didn't WANT to race "Outdoors" anymore & he had his reasons. But, let's be clear...he DID have some SUCCESS "Outdoors"...
ehr400 wrote:
And SMOKED everyone in '96 at the MXDN as well. Like Manny said it isn't he couldn't, he didn't want to. He nearly won the '96...
And SMOKED everyone in '96 at the MXDN as well. Like Manny said it isn't he couldn't, he didn't want to. He nearly won the '96 MX championship too, with a jacked up foot.
And..now-a-days...

WHO do you think sorts out the R&D stuff at Honda for the CRF-R line.

And, they do the R&D "Outdoors", too, ya know.

Then there's his latest Baja adventures where he continues to prove that he's STILL a Bad-Ass.
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Big 9/12/2012 11:15am
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Trial and roadracing too?
Oboy! Do i answer before i read the other threads? I'm 50 it's ok.....
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ehr400 9/12/2012 11:37am
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TeamGreen wrote:
Hold up a second, here... Some of you are saying MC can't rail out-doors...my bad...I just realized this. MC simply didn't WANT to race "Outdoors" anymore...
Hold up a second, here...

Some of you are saying MC can't rail out-doors...my bad...I just realized this.

MC simply didn't WANT to race "Outdoors" anymore & he had his reasons. But, let's be clear...he DID have some SUCCESS "Outdoors"...
ehr400 wrote:
And SMOKED everyone in '96 at the MXDN as well. Like Manny said it isn't he couldn't, he didn't want to. He nearly won the '96...
And SMOKED everyone in '96 at the MXDN as well. Like Manny said it isn't he couldn't, he didn't want to. He nearly won the '96 MX championship too, with a jacked up foot.
TeamGreen wrote:
And..now-a-days... WHO do you think sorts out the R&D stuff at Honda for the CRF-R line. And, they do the R&D "Outdoors", too, ya know. Then...
And..now-a-days...

WHO do you think sorts out the R&D stuff at Honda for the CRF-R line.

And, they do the R&D "Outdoors", too, ya know.

Then there's his latest Baja adventures where he continues to prove that he's STILL a Bad-Ass.
And teaching Tony how to hit big hits in SoCal with KW. I still love the early Crusty vids of him hucking 180' at the dunes and Castillo ranch photos.
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PressPassP 9/12/2012 12:44pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
Hold up a second, here... Some of you are saying MC can't rail out-doors...my bad...I just realized this. MC simply didn't WANT to race "Outdoors" anymore...
Hold up a second, here...

Some of you are saying MC can't rail out-doors...my bad...I just realized this.

MC simply didn't WANT to race "Outdoors" anymore & he had his reasons. But, let's be clear...he DID have some SUCCESS "Outdoors"...
ehr400 wrote:
And SMOKED everyone in '96 at the MXDN as well. Like Manny said it isn't he couldn't, he didn't want to. He nearly won the '96...
And SMOKED everyone in '96 at the MXDN as well. Like Manny said it isn't he couldn't, he didn't want to. He nearly won the '96 MX championship too, with a jacked up foot.
TeamGreen wrote:
And..now-a-days... WHO do you think sorts out the R&D stuff at Honda for the CRF-R line. And, they do the R&D "Outdoors", too, ya know. Then...
And..now-a-days...

WHO do you think sorts out the R&D stuff at Honda for the CRF-R line.

And, they do the R&D "Outdoors", too, ya know.

Then there's his latest Baja adventures where he continues to prove that he's STILL a Bad-Ass.
The guy is as bad as they come,I think too many "fans" of the sport nowadays can sometimes get all too carried away with counting Titles as a measure of how good a rider is or was at stuff
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mccread 9/12/2012 12:50pm
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TDeath21 wrote:
The best two MX riders in the world have the same first name. After that, honestly, 3-10 is a crap shoot.
There are two Antonio's?
Cairoli is just as good as those guys.

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