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Winning the MXDN has nothing to do with racing the World Championship either nor does America winning it prove they are too good to race the World Championship.
Stop confusing arguements and thinking the American's winning the MXDN team race proves they are better than all GP riders.
Individually Roczen beat Dungey last year and baggett got lapped. You think Belgium beating Italy means Desalle is better than Cairoli even though Desalle gets beat by Cairoli in the World Championship?
Racing the world championship is totally different, Individually they are all close and if you put them in the World Championship it would be some great racing, it is hard to say who would win.
He might be to sand now what James Stewart was to Supercross many years ago.
Geoff
No one will win this arguement, you are entitled to your opinion just like I am. Have a good day.
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The world championship is the same level as the US Nationals, but it is a more neutral series because it goes to different countries so it is a better barometer to decide who the best is. Who would win? You can't really say unless they race it, and that's my point, they are all so good.
The fact you disrespect the World Championship as the world championship is part of the problem.
I believe Herlings will win the MXoN no matter what bike or what class he rides, which begs the question: Why not put him in MX2 and run up a gap there?
It always comes down to third rider, and our third guy is always someone like a Windham, a Ferry, or a Short or a Tedesco, or even Ryan Villopoto last year. We have a deeper talent pool, pure and simple. But we lack sand, so....
I think we'll still be fine, and I can't wait to see Herlings ride in the sand again.
DC
MX Sports
The end of the day they are both race series that crown champions, they both have their challenges that have to be overcome and neither is easy, in no way am I trying to discredit the GP's or their riders who unlike you with your arrogance constantly try to discredit the races and racers in the US.
In 2009 Americans got beat individually at times too. same in 2008.
Put Dungey and RV in a world championship and they will not walk away with the series.
GP riders are just as good as American riders and vice versa. The fact you won't believe that shows your arrogance.
The only way fair to tell who is better is if they all race the World Championship because on any given day they can beat each other and if they did the US would get more GPs.
That will never happen because Americans prefer racing and living in their own country.
Team wise I don't even think a combined GP team could beat Team USA. Villopoto, Dungey and Baggett against Cairoli, Herlings and Desalle and I still go with Team USA for the win.
What would be awesome is two ten man teams, AMA versus FIM.
Villopoto, Dungey, Stewart, Baggett, Barcia, Tomac, Alessi, Reed, Roczen, Musquin versus Cairoli, Desalle, Herlings, Searle, Pourcel, Paulin, Van Horebeek, De Dycker and maybe Roelants.
I give that one to the AMA riders too.
Geoff
and I literally can not wait for the des nations
all this competing for which riders in which series are better is ridiculous and retarded there'll never be an answer no matter how much you all type at each other
we can't agree who the best rider is after 17 supercross' and 24 motos on 12 different tracks so why do you think we have an answer after 3 motos on the one track? (the GPs are a bit different can't deny Cairoli)
one more thing.. not much annoys me more than ignorance and there's a heapin helpin of it this thread (and threads like it)
Ken went there to ride supercross and to test himself in that arena.
Of course you are arrogant, you claim American riders are better than riders in the world championship, even though they never race the World Champ in the world championship.
I claim the series are similar but different ( how is that arrogant?), you claim american riders and the ama series is better than the World Championship.
You do not know if Dungey is better than Cairoli, so you do not know if he is the best or not. Claiming US riders are better than World Champions is arrogant. Saying they are pretty similar, but until they all race the World Championship you can't say the US guys are better is not.
All I said was that the AMA nationals are not a fair comparison because it favours riders of that country. That is not being arrogant at all.
Kenny had to learn English, just like Baggett would have to learn German.
I hope Herlings doesn't have too much bad luck, because he might just do something that makes Villopoto in 2007, Everts in 98, Malin in 94, Chandler in ?? and whoever else look really average. Man, if he gets beaten I am going home early, hahaha.
As for Reed, I think everyone is so busy here with Team USA that anything done by Reed, or Rattray or any other AMA rider is ignored. I mean Reed, Rattray, Searle and Herlings all should have been given a lot of credit for last year, they all rode awesome.
Geoff
Pit Row
I think USA will win too, I also think Dungey and Barcia will be far quicker than some people here are predicting and Baggett should be at least Van Horebeek speed.
Herlings, I think he could win both his races, but it won't be as easy as people think and it isn't a guarentee. Barcia, Cairoli, Dungey, Nagl and even Roczen will be doing all they can to stop him.
As for Reed, I thought his win was pretty awesome, but then i'm a Reed fan, the guy looks awesome on a bike, such a pity he can't ride it this year.
That would be an awesome race.
Europe could have...(plus many others)
Cairoli
Roczen
Herlings
Desalle
Pourcel
Nagl
Frossard
Paulin
Van Horebeek
Searle
Musquin
USA
Dungey
RV
Stewart
Tomac
Baggett
Barcia
Alessi
Grant
Weimer
Millsaps
Canard
That could be the best race ever!
A straight up
AMA vs GP's would be so much better.
AMA mx2 would kill it. GP MX1 would more than hold it's own.
I'm arrogant because I quoted what both Roczen and Musquin have said. Please tell me at what point I brought Cairoli and Dungey into this. I think you have said a lot more than "it was not a fair comparison". Again please read slowly I did not and am not saying or claiming that US riders are better than GP riders I only repeated what both Roczen and Musquin have said.
Are you my ex wife? I swear you argue the same!
As i have said its the style of racing thats different and the intensity.
MX1/MX2 classes separated.
Representing yourself and your series.
Now that would be some good racing and bench racing right threre.
Just answer one question. If an individual rider beats another rider at the MXoN, does that make him better in your opinion? This is a yes or no answer.......
Roczen has 24 chances to beat the best lites riders in the world this year and he did it once......
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