Herlings at the GP

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9/2/2012 10:50am
herlings fast in the sand. no doubt.

hes no top5 here tho....he wasn't even on kroc's radar last year. and look where kenny's at. gimme a break. searle struggled here as well, ANYONE saying a euro = top 5 here is a joke. Come do a full season and then we'll let you know.
9/2/2012 10:56am
dboivin wrote:
herlings fast in the sand. no doubt. hes no top5 here tho....he wasn't even on kroc's radar last year. and look where kenny's at. gimme a...
herlings fast in the sand. no doubt.

hes no top5 here tho....he wasn't even on kroc's radar last year. and look where kenny's at. gimme a break. searle struggled here as well, ANYONE saying a euro = top 5 here is a joke. Come do a full season and then we'll let you know.
pretty sure Roczen is getting in the top 5? hes just won his first race the other weekend as well .. for a GP rider to race AMA is a massive change, its all on a saturday, where GPs are over the hole weekend, dont you think if barcia came and done a GP round he would find it hard as well? different countries every weekend, longer weekends and so on .... so to say that, it works both ways... theres more to the racing to consider over in the GPs, where as AMA is all in america, all in there comfort zones, they dont have to worry about anything ....
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9/2/2012 11:10am
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No you missed my point! racing Herlings in holland for the Americans (Herlings in his element, own country, tracks etc) is the equivalent of Herlings racing...
No you missed my point! racing Herlings in holland for the Americans (Herlings in his element, own country, tracks etc) is the equivalent of Herlings racing the Americans in the USA (in their element, own country, tracks etc) I am not comparing the two series.

The World CHampionship is totally different because they race in so many different countries it is more of an equal playing field, its the only way to compare. But Americans don't race the GPs so you can never compare. You just know they are all a similar level.

You guys don't seem to understand that Herlings is super fast on any track, as fast as anyone, he beat musquin last year, lapped Baggett in France and beat RV in a moto, and he had just turned 17.. the track was completely hard pack.


RC wouldn't have beaten Herlings today either i don't think. RC refused to race Everts at Leirop.
i know what your trying to get at but some people are so thick they cant see it ! all they see is that america will...
i know what your trying to get at but some people are so thick they cant see it ! all they see is that america will dominate at any track they turn up and race at ... last years nations, roczen passed dungey straight up ! they got lucky when CP377 tyre came off... like alot of times they get lucky and get handed the win by other riders mistakes and mechanical mishaps !

at the end of the day Herlings is the sand king, and to the americans saying other countries trying to claim him as their own... we're not, we just want to see him wipe all the americans arses who think they will clean up !
To say we got lucky last year is kinda misleading. CP377 did pass Dungey in the first lap or two but who is to say he would have maintainged that pass, it was VERY early in that race. Besides all America had to do was go 1-2 and it didn't matter if France finished 3-4. We still held our own win in our own hands. Lets say that CP377 did stay in front of Dungey was Paulin in 4th? I don't recall that he was, but i'm not sure. So to say the only reason we got lucky and won was because this tire came off isn't really true. Shit happens and to everyone and that includes us. Didnt Bagget get stuck under a fence or some shit like that? That's an honest question cause I'm not really sure?

Here is my feelings on being a fan of something. I don't mind a little banter before the contest/game but once it's over I don't care for the rubbing someones nose in it. If my teams wins you will not hear shit from me and I don't really like to hear shit from the other fans either but I can only control what i say and do.

I like good racing. Sure, I want to see America win but I'm not naive enough to think we are the best everyday and everywhere. I really think JH will pull a Villipoto at this years Des Nations. Only difference is everyone knows JH is capable of doing it, Villipotos was a total surprise and he also didn't declare himself King of Anything. Matter of fact he was quite humble about it. Lets see if the same can be said of JH after he does it. History says he won't be as humble about but I hope he does. He is a kid though so either way I won't hold it against him. Kids say stupid shit and we shouldn't expect any different even if he is world champion.

Either way I'm ready for it to happen, althought it makes me have to get up VERY early in the A.M on my days off. LOL.
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9/2/2012 11:15am
Herlings would be a lapper here getting smoked by the top 5? He is faster then any of our top 5 were at 17.

Alot of misinformed American fans here for sure.

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9/2/2012 11:24am Edited Date/Time 9/2/2012 11:25am
You won't see an American rider sign for less money to go race a series overseas. This is a job and that would be dumb.

The Euro fan boys told us how Barcia, Bagget etc wouldn't be close to Musquin this year and that he wouldn't only beat the AMA crew, but he'd rub dirt in our faces. They also said Ken Roc was the second coming of Christ and he'd destroy the AMA crew. I mean they won WORLD championships and we only have a crummy national series. Now they claim that the Euros are struggling to adapt to race in a single series, but before they could adapt to a new country every week? These kids live and race here now so cut the crap they can't adapt.
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Skip376 wrote:
You won't see an American rider sign for less money to go race a series overseas. This is a job and that would be dumb. The...
You won't see an American rider sign for less money to go race a series overseas. This is a job and that would be dumb.

The Euro fan boys told us how Barcia, Bagget etc wouldn't be close to Musquin this year and that he wouldn't only beat the AMA crew, but he'd rub dirt in our faces. They also said Ken Roc was the second coming of Christ and he'd destroy the AMA crew. I mean they won WORLD championships and we only have a crummy national series. Now they claim that the Euros are struggling to adapt to race in a single series, but before they could adapt to a new country every week? These kids live and race here now so cut the crap they can't adapt.
They did? When?

They have to adapt to a new country every week? Hmm did not know they lived in every country they race in. Must be hard changing culture every week. Altough i don't think the pit culture changes every week tough. Wink
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9/2/2012 11:38am
mccread wrote:
No you don't get it ... its simple. Both are national championships. So you guys constantly comparing how Herlings would do in the US national championship...
No you don't get it ... its simple. Both are national championships. So you guys constantly comparing how Herlings would do in the US national championship, well..the opposite is comparing how the top Americans would do against Herlings in his national championship.

Fair is fair.
You ought to just stick with Herlings is a great rider, especially in the sand; analogizing the US pro series to the Dutch national championship is stupid and betrays the fool that you are if you've convinced yourself of that.
9/2/2012 12:03pm
mccread wrote:
No you don't get it ... its simple. Both are national championships. So you guys constantly comparing how Herlings would do in the US national championship...
No you don't get it ... its simple. Both are national championships. So you guys constantly comparing how Herlings would do in the US national championship, well..the opposite is comparing how the top Americans would do against Herlings in his national championship.

Fair is fair.
You ought to just stick with Herlings is a great rider, especially in the sand; analogizing the US pro series to the Dutch national championship is...
You ought to just stick with Herlings is a great rider, especially in the sand; analogizing the US pro series to the Dutch national championship is stupid and betrays the fool that you are if you've convinced yourself of that.
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You ought to just stick with Herlings is a great rider, especially in the sand; analogizing the US pro series to the Dutch national championship is...
You ought to just stick with Herlings is a great rider, especially in the sand; analogizing the US pro series to the Dutch national championship is stupid and betrays the fool that you are if you've convinced yourself of that.
again you have missed his point.
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9/2/2012 2:05pm
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17 is not an extremely young in motocross, despite your attempts to make it sound young. 16 year old rookie sensations are the norm. A rookie...
17 is not an extremely young in motocross, despite your attempts to make it sound young. 16 year old rookie sensations are the norm. A rookie sensation Herlings is not, ESPECIALLY when not in the sand.

And I'm sorry, but until Herlings proves his ability in supercross and starts actually dominating on tracks OTHER THAN SAND, he is NOT "just as fast as the top 5 in the U.S." (2 of whom have won the last 3 world championships.) I remember seeing a video of Herlings trying to practice supercross in the U.S. and seeing him get thrown on his head.

You like to say that Herlings "beat" RV at the MXdN last year, but you never tell the whole story. RV deliberately gave the inside starting position to Baggett and had to come from around 13th at the end of the first lap. At the end he was on Herlings like a lion on a gazelle and Herlings was lucky to survive that last lap. That is how Herlings "beat" RV.

Apparently, it is not enough to just let Herlings be a great European sand rider. He has to be called "legend" now I guess, despite having shown no riding ability whatsoever worthy of that title. And I love how you compare the Dutch nationals to the U.S. Nationals. You always say you "love" the U.S. nationals and the G.P.s equally, but your bias shows through quite often.

Herlings is a great sand rider, in European sand (although an arrogant one one.) To date, that is ALL he is. Let him earn anything else against the other young tigers (like Roczen and Musquin have been doing) before you have a big jack-off party over him.
LOL.....that is a classic post right there and spot on....funny how they always talk about Herlings beating RV but then fail to mention that RV beat him by 26+ sec in the second MX3 moto.....and when the topic gets turned to how RD has never lost an O/A to AC, the MXoN becomes less significant......amazing..... gotta give the GP's boys credit, they all seem to have selective amnesia and are very good spin artists...
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mccread wanted to make the following point: Put South Calli boys and put them in a cold country (Holland) and let them live in a country that they don't know and where they don't speak the language... Besides that you let those South Calli boys also race a championship with tracks they don't know, let them race on a soil they don't know, real deep sand tracks in the dutch championship. What results will those Calli boys produce?

We saw a very, very talented Austin Politelli at the Zwarte Cross (a local dutch race) and he couldn't win.
Europeans are doing that shit all the time, going to a hotter envoirment, going to a country that they don't know and where they don't speak there language and besides that they only know the tracks from television, internet and magazines.

But yeah:


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9/2/2012 2:40pm
Your all as bad as each other.

As long as it's good racing and they put on a show we can all be happy, this shit could be argued about for forever and a day.
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Your all as bad as each other. As long as it's good racing and they put on a show we can all be happy, this shit...
Your all as bad as each other.

As long as it's good racing and they put on a show we can all be happy, this shit could be argued about for forever and a day.
It`s "you`re".
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' Kongols, not `
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9/2/2012 4:03pm
You ought to just stick with Herlings is a great rider, especially in the sand; analogizing the US pro series to the Dutch national championship is...
You ought to just stick with Herlings is a great rider, especially in the sand; analogizing the US pro series to the Dutch national championship is stupid and betrays the fool that you are if you've convinced yourself of that.
pmcc wrote:
again you have missed his point.
No, I didn't miss his point. I get that Herlings would be at an advantage against Americans racing in the low countries, whether one of the three gps within about a hundred miles of each other of the Dutch National Championship. I also get that Herlings would be at a disadvantage if he was racing American riders in the US. At least in the near term for each.

I also get that Herlings is outstanding and one of the elite riders of the world, regardless of how deep or shallow his competition is right now, and regardless of what surface he's racing on, and that it's more likely that he'll win both motos in his backyard on his favorite surface than it was that RV would win both motos in his own backyard at Budd in 07.

What you and your dumbass brother don't get is that writing nonsense like the Dutch Nationals are the equivalent of the US outdoor pro championship (which isn't even sanctioned by the FIM's US federation) make you look like idiots. There's no equivalency. GP Champions don't quit the GPs in their prime to race the Dutch Nationals. There's a way to make your point without eroding it because you use a stupid, inapt example. Your brother thinks his rhetoric makes him look clever, when in fact he looks like a dope writing that nonsense and it make the rest of what he has to say less credible.
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9/2/2012 4:08pm
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herlings fast in the sand. no doubt. hes no top5 here tho....he wasn't even on kroc's radar last year. and look where kenny's at. gimme a...
herlings fast in the sand. no doubt.

hes no top5 here tho....he wasn't even on kroc's radar last year. and look where kenny's at. gimme a break. searle struggled here as well, ANYONE saying a euro = top 5 here is a joke. Come do a full season and then we'll let you know.
pretty sure Roczen is getting in the top 5? hes just won his first race the other weekend as well .. for a GP rider to...
pretty sure Roczen is getting in the top 5? hes just won his first race the other weekend as well .. for a GP rider to race AMA is a massive change, its all on a saturday, where GPs are over the hole weekend, dont you think if barcia came and done a GP round he would find it hard as well? different countries every weekend, longer weekends and so on .... so to say that, it works both ways... theres more to the racing to consider over in the GPs, where as AMA is all in america, all in there comfort zones, they dont have to worry about anything ....
ok so kroc is TOP 5, where does that put herlings? lol, you euro's crack me up.


kenny doesn't have anyone covered here. he's fast but he aint got the speed or the endurance of baggett or tomac. if that isn't evident after 11 races, then i don't know what to tell you. KROC is a top 5 rider and he can win on any given day. Now put Herlings in there, where does he fit? and quit blowing smoke up our ass.
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So do all the americans think they will still piss Herlings in the sand? Dont think so after hes just lapped up to 4th which was...
So do all the americans think they will still piss Herlings in the sand? Dont think so after hes just lapped up to 4th which was tommy searle ! Herlings is on another level to any one in the world in the sand! Ive got money on him winning all his races at the MXON !
Maybe we can get him to ride for Puerto Rico.
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Euro fanboys never learn.

Hype up Carioli, Carioli gets smoked.

Hype up Townley, Townley gets smoked.

Hype up Rattray, Rattray gets smoked.

Hype up Musquin, Musquin gets smoked.

Hype up Roczen, Roczen gets smoked.

See a pattern?
9/2/2012 9:40pm
Skip376 wrote:
You won't see an American rider sign for less money to go race a series overseas. This is a job and that would be dumb. The...
You won't see an American rider sign for less money to go race a series overseas. This is a job and that would be dumb.

The Euro fan boys told us how Barcia, Bagget etc wouldn't be close to Musquin this year and that he wouldn't only beat the AMA crew, but he'd rub dirt in our faces. They also said Ken Roc was the second coming of Christ and he'd destroy the AMA crew. I mean they won WORLD championships and we only have a crummy national series. Now they claim that the Euros are struggling to adapt to race in a single series, but before they could adapt to a new country every week? These kids live and race here now so cut the crap they can't adapt.
You make some excellent points the USA guys will only go to Europe if the rewards are higher there. They obviously are not. I think the shrinking market could see things change in the future but who knows?

Must admit I expected more from Roczen but time will tell. Maybe that injury coming into the season hurt more than we know. Or he needs to find out what exactly what Tomac's training regime is. So he can step it up. That group sure is competitive to say the least.

The only thing you is miss is in the world champs everyone has to fly to a different country for each round so unless its your home round ALL the riders are affected. It kinda levels the playing field.

When a euro comes to the USA every round is new, the country he lives in is new. To all the home guys its business as usual every week on familiar tracks.
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9/2/2012 9:42pm
MeanGreen wrote:
Euro fanboys never learn. Hype up Carioli, Carioli gets smoked. Hype up Townley, Townley gets smoked. Hype up Rattray, Rattray gets smoked. Hype up Musquin, Musquin...
Euro fanboys never learn.

Hype up Carioli, Carioli gets smoked.

Hype up Townley, Townley gets smoked.

Hype up Rattray, Rattray gets smoked.

Hype up Musquin, Musquin gets smoked.

Hype up Roczen, Roczen gets smoked.

See a pattern?
You're on crack mate
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9/2/2012 9:51pm
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Herlings would be a lapper here getting smoked by the top 5? He is faster then any of our top 5 were at 17. Alot of...
Herlings would be a lapper here getting smoked by the top 5? He is faster then any of our top 5 were at 17.

Alot of misinformed American fans here for sure.
That's simply not true. We have had American kids which were 16 win US nationals. We have two world champions over here right now that both whooped Herlings ( and still would )......which have one a couple motos...and one O/A.

So tell me.....if Roczen was winning the title last year over there and beating Herlings , then comes over here a year later and mixes it up in top 5.......why do you all of a sudden think Herlings is faster?

Sand track.....you are probably right. On a "Dirt" track....he wouldn't get a whif of a top 5 over here.
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9/2/2012 9:56pm
pilotdude wrote:
17 is not an extremely young in motocross, despite your attempts to make it sound young. 16 year old rookie sensations are the norm. A rookie...
17 is not an extremely young in motocross, despite your attempts to make it sound young. 16 year old rookie sensations are the norm. A rookie sensation Herlings is not, ESPECIALLY when not in the sand.

And I'm sorry, but until Herlings proves his ability in supercross and starts actually dominating on tracks OTHER THAN SAND, he is NOT "just as fast as the top 5 in the U.S." (2 of whom have won the last 3 world championships.) I remember seeing a video of Herlings trying to practice supercross in the U.S. and seeing him get thrown on his head.

You like to say that Herlings "beat" RV at the MXdN last year, but you never tell the whole story. RV deliberately gave the inside starting position to Baggett and had to come from around 13th at the end of the first lap. At the end he was on Herlings like a lion on a gazelle and Herlings was lucky to survive that last lap. That is how Herlings "beat" RV.

Apparently, it is not enough to just let Herlings be a great European sand rider. He has to be called "legend" now I guess, despite having shown no riding ability whatsoever worthy of that title. And I love how you compare the Dutch nationals to the U.S. Nationals. You always say you "love" the U.S. nationals and the G.P.s equally, but your bias shows through quite often.

Herlings is a great sand rider, in European sand (although an arrogant one one.) To date, that is ALL he is. Let him earn anything else against the other young tigers (like Roczen and Musquin have been doing) before you have a big jack-off party over him.
Huckster wrote:
LOL.....that is a classic post right there and spot on....funny how they always talk about Herlings beating RV but then fail to mention that RV beat...
LOL.....that is a classic post right there and spot on....funny how they always talk about Herlings beating RV but then fail to mention that RV beat him by 26+ sec in the second MX3 moto.....and when the topic gets turned to how RD has never lost an O/A to AC, the MXoN becomes less significant......amazing..... gotta give the GP's boys credit, they all seem to have selective amnesia and are very good spin artists...
.................

Pilot fucking nailed it out of the park with that post!
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at the end of the day who really cares about all this... he is a typical little dutch entitled prick that wouldnt even crack the top 10 in AMA Motocross or qualify for a Supercross.
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Typical little dutch entitled prick? He's a prick alright, but that's not typical for dutchies my friend.
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at the end of the day who really cares about all this... he is a typical little dutch entitled prick that wouldnt even crack the top...
at the end of the day who really cares about all this... he is a typical little dutch entitled prick that wouldnt even crack the top 10 in AMA Motocross or qualify for a Supercross.
Really? He can beat Villopoto at the MXdN, but he wouldn't be able to crack the top 10 in the US? OK
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Really? He can beat Villopoto at the MXdN, but he wouldn't be able to crack the top 10 in the US? OK
You're on crack mate.
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Really? He can beat Villopoto at the MXdN, but he wouldn't be able to crack the top 10 in the US? OK
MeanGreen wrote:
You're on crack mate.
Don't bring intelligent facts in here Derpin'DJ, because when you do you are on crack...
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No, I didn't miss his point. I get that Herlings would be at an advantage against Americans racing in the low countries, whether one of the...
No, I didn't miss his point. I get that Herlings would be at an advantage against Americans racing in the low countries, whether one of the three gps within about a hundred miles of each other of the Dutch National Championship. I also get that Herlings would be at a disadvantage if he was racing American riders in the US. At least in the near term for each.

I also get that Herlings is outstanding and one of the elite riders of the world, regardless of how deep or shallow his competition is right now, and regardless of what surface he's racing on, and that it's more likely that he'll win both motos in his backyard on his favorite surface than it was that RV would win both motos in his own backyard at Budd in 07.

What you and your dumbass brother don't get is that writing nonsense like the Dutch Nationals are the equivalent of the US outdoor pro championship (which isn't even sanctioned by the FIM's US federation) make you look like idiots. There's no equivalency. GP Champions don't quit the GPs in their prime to race the Dutch Nationals. There's a way to make your point without eroding it because you use a stupid, inapt example. Your brother thinks his rhetoric makes him look clever, when in fact he looks like a dope writing that nonsense and it make the rest of what he has to say less credible.
My brother never said the Dutch and AMA champs were the same level and we certainly don't think that.

All he was saying was, when you race in your own country's championship your going to have and advantage over a foreigner trying to race it, he wasn't trying to say its the same level
9/3/2012 2:06am
MeanGreen wrote:
Euro fanboys never learn. Hype up Carioli, Carioli gets smoked. Hype up Townley, Townley gets smoked. Hype up Rattray, Rattray gets smoked. Hype up Musquin, Musquin...
Euro fanboys never learn.

Hype up Carioli, Carioli gets smoked.

Hype up Townley, Townley gets smoked.

Hype up Rattray, Rattray gets smoked.

Hype up Musquin, Musquin gets smoked.

Hype up Roczen, Roczen gets smoked.

See a pattern?
yes i see a pattern, mostley Euro riders whit balls to try it in the US (exept for the #222)

can u give me also a list of top US riders whith the balls to race over here (and not at the MXDN)
9/3/2012 2:39am
MeanGreen wrote:
Euro fanboys never learn. Hype up Carioli, Carioli gets smoked. Hype up Townley, Townley gets smoked. Hype up Rattray, Rattray gets smoked. Hype up Musquin, Musquin...
Euro fanboys never learn.

Hype up Carioli, Carioli gets smoked.

Hype up Townley, Townley gets smoked.

Hype up Rattray, Rattray gets smoked.

Hype up Musquin, Musquin gets smoked.

Hype up Roczen, Roczen gets smoked.

See a pattern?
yes i see a pattern, mostley Euro riders whit balls to try it in the US (exept for the #222) can u give me also a...
yes i see a pattern, mostley Euro riders whit balls to try it in the US (exept for the #222)

can u give me also a list of top US riders whith the balls to race over here (and not at the MXDN)
because cairoli has loads of luck at the MXON doesnt he?

pretty sure townley done good in the AMA when he was racing for pro circuit?

Rattray is still racing the AMA right? and does he always get smoked? no ...

musquin just got his first overall am i not right? so you call that getting smoked? if you do you must be a faggot !

and roczens first year racing in the ama and hes already won a race and been on the podium through out the championship.... and you still call that getting smoked?

Your an idiot ! get over it... america arent unbeatable so get your head out your arse !

and as @henry zweers said "give us a list of US riders that have come and raced out in Europe" there isnt alot of them that have is there? no ... because they are out of their comfort zone which they dont like !

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