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I don't think you can grab a 10th-15th place guy and see his results drastically change if at all, given a factory bike.
The resources to make the bike to suit you and the ability to put time into yourself is what makes a factory ride. (IMO) But you still have to be a supremely skilled rider to know what you want to go faster and be able to test very well.
I don't think a rider like Alessi would do any better given factory stuff
Try and keep up Bob, its now "factory air" (at least for some) they have done away w/ the springs
...and just a guess, but i bet a factory "tranny" would make more of a difference.
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"How many seconds do you think you can shave off with a lap with a real suspension guru on your side? no matter what anybody, thinks a really good suspension tuner and lots of testing are infinetly better than running the same valving at every track and having a bit of a play with the clickers"
Dungey is not beating Alessi because Alessi is on inferior equipment. Dungey is beating Alessi because Alessi is an inferior rider to Dungey.
This example does not also imply that Alessi would be up with Ryan if he had better equipment. There comes a point along the chart where a riders ability will no longer allow him to go faster than what he is capable of good parts or not.
too many younger guys with speed and $$$$ behind them...........Mike has done an INCREDIBLE series and major major props...........however the planets have lined up for that to happen..............
there will be other satellite team wins and championships, but not without support and equipment from the mother ship........this type of program is a freak and maybe MC needs to try and work with someone for 2013 instead of being a rebel..........
it's OK if you want to do it your way, and OK to throw up the middle finger, BUT you ain't gonna win.............if that's what you are after..........
I'd be really really surprised if this scenario with MC/Alessi will ever happen again.........so this season for them is one for the record books..........all IMO, but history leads me to believe this........
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bobby so gonna hate on me now.
IMHO he would be a lot closer to Dungey with factory suspension. Watching Southwick 2nd moto it looked like Mike was really struggling with his setup.
The suspension was set up for a pro about 150lbs. I was around 175lbs at this point. Now I am sure it is not just that it was b kit but also the depth of testing on the settings that made it feel so good.
I was on average 3 seconds a lap faster on a track that I know like the back of my hand. I had 8 laps at race pace. His lap times were in the low 1:50's and mine were 2:02/03 average on my bike. On his bike which was his practice bike and wasn't in that high state of tune and to be honest was no quicker than mine power wise.
What I did notice about the suspension was that it was a little stiffer initially but the faster you hit the bumps the better it absorbed them. Over jumping never ever transmitted to harsh landings and the shock tracked very very well over acceleration and braking bumps. I had a little understeer on the front end which I would take was the sag settings and the fact the springs were a little soft for my weight. I think with stiffer springs it would have been even plusher and I could have taken 10cc out of the fork oil level to make it even plusher.
Now I went on that bike with an open mind and never expected anything. I was surprised. Would I buy a set, no?. To much money for a club rider. But if money was no object I would certainly buy some and test with a tuner and find the best settings I could. I do think that the big tuners out there can give you suspension very close to B kit without the price tag though.
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several of my "pro-bros" and top mx mechanics have told me there is no comparison. the action and reaction with werx stuff is better all the way around. the confidence it gives you alone is good for 1-2 secs a lap.
go deeper.
farther...faster...higher and longer more easily
now if yer main competitor is 1-2 seconds a lap faster than you is it not reasonable to believe that werx stuff will help eliminate or at least reduce that gap a bit?
2% a lap in energy savings? really?
I can GAURANTEE that I can give anybody on this board a shock that looks trick, anodized and all. Tell you it is a "b" kit (or whatever you call it) and have you test it back to back with a very good stock revolved shock and you would swear it was better, even if it was the same exact shock.
It's mental. except for the top 5% in the sport
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