MXdN us managers

FIREfish148
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Edited Date/Time 8/5/2012 8:28am
All this talk about who's going to the MXdN has me thinking about the politics involved in the decision making involved... So who is it that get to decide who goes and who doesn't? Is it just DeCoster?
I just kind of find it funny that an actual team manager is the manager for the US still. I know he has for quite a while now, but something just doesn't seem right about it.

Let someone like Bob Hannah or Rick Johnson or Ron Lechien or.... Well you get the point.
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8/4/2012 1:36am
I think Mitch Payton has a little to do with team USA alsoSmile
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8/4/2012 1:46am
Roger and Mitch make the decisions. Politics? Care to give some examples?
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8/4/2012 2:51am Edited Date/Time 8/4/2012 2:54am
BR_HERO wrote:
Roger and Mitch make the decisions. Politics? Care to give some examples?
Mike Alessi- don't know the truth but heard a bunch of shit they went through (RD). Alessi is the second fastest as of late in the 450's... Dude should get a shot maybe?

Barcia- Of course the kids not gonna get the nod if Payton is a team-picker-guy. He took a title from him this year already. And if he gets the 450 ride behind Dungey then well...that's some bullshit.

Bubba- DeCoster said he was "Up- and- down" but the truth is that Dungey was a Second place rider before Colorado. Just seemed like an unfair statement to make when such a weird event happened considering how solid bubba was riding before that.

Dungey- DeCoster is his manager... Seems kinda lopsided.

Baggett- Has everything going for him. 1. He hasn't messed with Dungey in the 450 class which makes DeCoster happy (even though hes beating Roczen and Musquin)
2. Mitch is probably super happy with him I'm sure thus far this season.

Tomac- DeCoster probably thinks hes inconsistent too. Oh and he took a title from Payton...

Hey, Shorty doesn't piss anyone off at all. Why not pick him again.
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8/4/2012 3:12am Edited Date/Time 8/4/2012 3:13am
I don't think Payton holds grudges when it comes to picking MXdN riders. Neither does DeCoster.

If Bubba comes back for Southwick and wins/comes second, then he should be picked. But it doesn't sound like it will happen at this stage.

IMO, Barcia should be picked over Alessi. What class they are in now should not be a factor for the MX3 ride

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8/4/2012 3:13am
I don't think it comes down to "who took a title from who" or "who likes who " or anything else so petty. I'm sure Roger and Mitch are above all that and only care about the best team possible.

The fact is not everyone can go. America has the enviable problem of having to choose amongst several top riders who could all make a great argument for being on the team.
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8/4/2012 3:51am
All this talk about who's going to the MXdN has me thinking about the politics involved in the decision making involved... So who is it that...
All this talk about who's going to the MXdN has me thinking about the politics involved in the decision making involved... So who is it that get to decide who goes and who doesn't? Is it just DeCoster?
I just kind of find it funny that an actual team manager is the manager for the US still. I know he has for quite a while now, but something just doesn't seem right about it.

Let someone like Bob Hannah or Rick Johnson or Ron Lechien or.... Well you get the point.
"I know he has for quite a while now, but something just doesn't seem right about it."

6 wins as a racer and about 20 wins as U.S. team manager, is that what doesn't seem right about it?

Yes, let's get some one with a better record, huh?

Really?
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8/4/2012 5:43am
All this talk about who's going to the MXdN has me thinking about the politics involved in the decision making involved... So who is it that...
All this talk about who's going to the MXdN has me thinking about the politics involved in the decision making involved... So who is it that get to decide who goes and who doesn't? Is it just DeCoster?
I just kind of find it funny that an actual team manager is the manager for the US still. I know he has for quite a while now, but something just doesn't seem right about it.

Let someone like Bob Hannah or Rick Johnson or Ron Lechien or.... Well you get the point.
It's called history....greatest team in the history of the event and of course the greatest team manager, his record speaks for itself. RD and Mitch have earned the right to make decisions/recommendations they make (the official decision comes from the AMA) you are obviously new to the sport or are very young.
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8/4/2012 7:21am Edited Date/Time 8/4/2012 7:26am
DeCoster is the greatest team manager in the history of the MXdN. That should be the end of it.

Having a current team manager do the job makes perfect sense. They know all the riders and see them compete on a regular basis. Ex champions like Hannah, Johnson and Lechien may have a lot to offer but they would have to be at every National to be up to speed with RD and Mitch.

If you are implying that there may be some favoritism then you haven't been paying attention for the past 30 years.

When it comes to MXdN, ISDE, TdN riders and supporters put aside personal interests and become Team USA. That is what makes it special.
8/4/2012 8:29am
In Rodger we trust since 1981. So I see your point let's fix what isn't broken...........
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8/4/2012 8:33am
All this talk about who's going to the MXdN has me thinking about the politics involved in the decision making involved... So who is it that...
All this talk about who's going to the MXdN has me thinking about the politics involved in the decision making involved... So who is it that get to decide who goes and who doesn't? Is it just DeCoster?
I just kind of find it funny that an actual team manager is the manager for the US still. I know he has for quite a while now, but something just doesn't seem right about it.

Let someone like Bob Hannah or Rick Johnson or Ron Lechien or.... Well you get the point.
Pretty much everyone will say DeCoster is a huge asset for the US team.

One thing to remember is that RD has deep connections with the Euro racing community. That means he gets all kinds of logistics help- from practice tracks to transportation to hospitality. If you can imagine the support required for three pro racers on different brand of bikes to succeed at an event halfway around the world- it's impressive this guy can arrange all that basically in his 'spare' time.
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8/4/2012 5:23pm
I don't think it comes down to "who took a title from who" or "who likes who " or anything else so petty. I'm sure Roger...
I don't think it comes down to "who took a title from who" or "who likes who " or anything else so petty. I'm sure Roger and Mitch are above all that and only care about the best team possible.

The fact is not everyone can go. America has the enviable problem of having to choose amongst several top riders who could all make a great argument for being on the team.
this is exaxctly the problem. we have many great riders to choose from. not a easy task and you have to factor in things like the type of track your going to because some riders will do better on some tracks than others
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8/4/2012 6:17pm
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8/4/2012 6:42pm
I don't think RD is political; I think he is ruthless about winning, knows what it takes from everyone involved (talent, support and logistics), and uncompromising in his judgment about how those pieces can fit together.

Reasonable people can disagree, especially with all the options the US is blessed to have, but you have to concede there probably not anyone else with the depth of experience to apply his judgment.

And RD has the input of other people; it's a consensus pick, not his unilateral option.

The notion that Mitch wouldn't support a rider who has bested someone on is team is ridiculous. Some people need to spend less time in their minds if it leads to thinking that sort of stuff up.
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8/4/2012 8:49pm
All this talk about who's going to the MXdN has me thinking about the politics involved in the decision making involved... So who is it that...
All this talk about who's going to the MXdN has me thinking about the politics involved in the decision making involved... So who is it that get to decide who goes and who doesn't? Is it just DeCoster?
I just kind of find it funny that an actual team manager is the manager for the US still. I know he has for quite a while now, but something just doesn't seem right about it.

Let someone like Bob Hannah or Rick Johnson or Ron Lechien or.... Well you get the point.
Yea, you are correct, DeCoster does not know what he is doing.
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8/5/2012 3:55am
Just thinking below the surface a little bit geeze... I've only been studying the sport since 97 or so I didn't know RD was the Manager for THAT long. I just remember him being a manager for the US since I was like a little kid. I personally don't know RD at all but he seems like a super smart and rational dude. I just know that him and Payton are about as competitive as they come without actually being racers themselves and are willing to do whatever to make sure their team wins. No shots at either of them; nothing but respect for those guys.

I know we are lucky to have RD as a manager. I guess I was just wondering how the process of picking team riders to represent the team went and all that.
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8/5/2012 4:09am
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8/5/2012 8:28am
Can you honestly say after reading RD's analysis that it is politically motivated? Sorry, I just don't see it that way. The analysis was dead on as to how things are, not, how various fans want them to be.

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