Anybody Really Thnk the Punishment is Fair

Ozy
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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 10:32am
IMHO, this Jason Lawrence fiasco is way overblown (fans must need the drama because the racing sucks so bad with no competition)

The punishment is way over the top and Jason should hire an attorney and challenge it. It's his lively hood and future and the AMA is overreacting by suspending him indefinitely.

Total B.S.!
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7/9/2008 6:32pm
your right on the first part

but hiring an annorney is a stupid idea
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7/9/2008 7:06pm
your right on the first part

but hiring an annorney is a stupid idea
WTF is an "annorney"????
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7/9/2008 7:07pm
If this was an isolated incident it would be overblown but unfortunately it is not...from being banned at buddscreek and Englishtown to all the fiascos on airplanes, urinating in front of little kids, wrecking rental cars and being drunk, his list is long and distiguished...sponsors and teams pay a lot of money to represent their products and he has not done that very well!
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7/9/2008 7:10pm
ddog558 wrote:
WTF is an "annorney"????
It's someone you hire to annoy your apponant into giving you what you want.

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7/9/2008 7:10pm
As a J-Law fan, of course I don't feel it's fair.

It's also not my call.
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7/9/2008 7:11pm
ddog558 wrote:
WTF is an "annorney"????
motogeezer wrote:
It's someone you hire to annoy your apponant into giving you what you want.

WTF is an apponant????
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Anybody really think the punishment is fair?:

Yes.

JLaw is young, talented and unfortunately, not in control of his life. He'll learn from a severe punishment and hopefully come back stronger than ever with something to prove.
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7/9/2008 7:15pm
123 wrote:
As a J-Law fan, of course I don't feel it's fair.

It's also not my call.
Honest answer
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7/9/2008 7:18pm
ddog558 wrote:
WTF is an "annorney"????
motogeezer wrote:
It's someone you hire to annoy your apponant into giving you what you want.

123 wrote:
WTF is an apponant????
The enduvedual you need the annorney to get back at.
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7/9/2008 7:26pm
It's not only fair, but a necessary corrective. Help make a man out of the boy.
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If he were allowed to continue riding hung over (or even under the influence) he would probably injure himself (and maybe somebody else) and could be out much longer.

He had plenty of chances to get his act together.


jlaw + 2 years = jwho?
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7/9/2008 10:59pm
I have read all the replies and I still feel "indefinite suspension" is unprecedented and a total knee jerk reaction by the powers that be at the AMA.

I think fair would be to hit him with another 25k fine and make him enroll is some anger management or substance abuse programs. Pulling the rug out from under him isn't the right solution.
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7/9/2008 11:11pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:34pm
Fair or not, the AMA made a decision. I don't think the AMA has been fair in other decisions they have made, but this one is fair IMO.


I didn't think it was fair to dock RC 25 points for a gas violation a couple years ago and them give them back to him because he whined and said he wasn't going to do anymore SX for the rest of the season if the decision wasn't overturned. No one else got points given back to them for gas violation in the past. In fact, it almost cost Reed the SX championship back in 2004. Had it been anyone BUT RC the penalty would have stood. I am certain of that.
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7/9/2008 11:14pm
Ozy wrote:
I have read all the replies and I still feel "indefinite suspension" is unprecedented and a total knee jerk reaction by the powers that be at...
I have read all the replies and I still feel "indefinite suspension" is unprecedented and a total knee jerk reaction by the powers that be at the AMA.

I think fair would be to hit him with another 25k fine and make him enroll is some anger management or substance abuse programs. Pulling the rug out from under him isn't the right solution.
While I'll admit J-Law has not made some of his best decisions, in the big picture of life what he has done is NOT that big a deal.

Riders has got in fights before, riders have gotten drunk before and riders have rolled cars over before.

The AMA and others put 2 and 2 together and got 10.........sad.
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7/9/2008 11:30pm
ddog558 wrote:
WTF is an "annorney"????
LMAO
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7/9/2008 11:51pm
I think I hear annorney's getting revved up as I sit here.

It's time to go lawyer racing.
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7/10/2008 12:06am Edited Date/Time 7/10/2008 12:12am
This place cracks me up....and I don't know all the facts (by a long shot), but from what we have been fed (only reading stuff on this site), I think pulling his license is pretty ballsy, if not legally a problem for the AMA. They obviously have more knowledge of the whole incident (the one that broke the camels back) and have seen the charges, the arguments, and the verdict.
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I have the sneaky suspicion that someone will be having a behind the scenes talk with JLaw telling him if he doesn't get himself into rehab before the start of the SX season, not to bother negotiating any contracts for next year.

I hope he cleans up his act and pull it all together. In a sport that takes as much natural talent as dedication it would be a shame to lose a contender over some off track issues.
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Ozy wrote:
I have read all the replies and I still feel "indefinite suspension" is unprecedented and a total knee jerk reaction by the powers that be at...
I have read all the replies and I still feel "indefinite suspension" is unprecedented and a total knee jerk reaction by the powers that be at the AMA.

I think fair would be to hit him with another 25k fine and make him enroll is some anger management or substance abuse programs. Pulling the rug out from under him isn't the right solution.
After telling my wife (as an outsider to the story) the whole story, she said the same thing.

I agree with her.
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My speculation is he may have forced their hand....I certainly would tell someone I was putting on probation, again, that "Look it here killer...fuck up again and yer getting the boot / no questions asked".

Additionally, I totally think indefinite was the best he could have gotten - Straighten up quickly and get back to racing or keep slipping and we'll talk later.

The thing I'm curious about is why would a pro party with all the helmets at the track on a Friday night? There's 140 hotdogs for every 10 buns...Sorry but way back when I was that age I wanted to party where the puddin was.
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I am a little skeptical with the whole "indefinite" punishment. It can do two things:

1. show Lawrence that this thing is for real, and he sucks it up and comes back more motivated than he ever was to succeed, OR

2. Send the kid down the wrong path altogether and make him even more rebellious than he already is. Sometimes when people have no hope in sight, they just crash all together. The "indefinite" and not reviewing the case till the end of the 08 season, when we are only half way, is a tough one to swallow for anybody.

I hope the second one is not the case and that he uses this time to become a more mature athlete through all of this.
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7/10/2008 5:24am
Does anybody really think life is fair?
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7/10/2008 5:29am
Absolutely right thing to do. But not for the reasons you think. The AMA could care less about "rehabing" Jlaws character.

Jlaw is 21, any guesses how many DUI convictions this 21 year old has?

Jlaw's a walking time bomb. He goes from mess to mess, it's only a matter of time before something really dramatic happens, like someone ends up dead and Jlaw's in the midde of it. You talk about a problem for the AMA?

The AMA would be seen as knowing about Jlaws problems (the under reported ones) and doing nothing. This move by the AMA is nothing more than preemptive self protection.

Jlaw can't fight this, he doesn't have any grounds. While Jlaw's fans will see this as unfair, vindictive, and nothing more than an authoritarian move on the AMA's part, the truth is any professionally run organization doesn't think that way. They are looking at "what if" sceanerios and thinking about the organizations future. Jlaw is nothing more than a huge potential liability for the AMA.

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7/10/2008 5:42am
adamdf wrote:
I am a little skeptical with the whole "indefinite" punishment. It can do two things: 1. show Lawrence that this thing is for real, and he...
I am a little skeptical with the whole "indefinite" punishment. It can do two things:

1. show Lawrence that this thing is for real, and he sucks it up and comes back more motivated than he ever was to succeed, OR

2. Send the kid down the wrong path altogether and make him even more rebellious than he already is. Sometimes when people have no hope in sight, they just crash all together. The "indefinite" and not reviewing the case till the end of the 08 season, when we are only half way, is a tough one to swallow for anybody.

I hope the second one is not the case and that he uses this time to become a more mature athlete through all of this.
Either way they are his decisions to make and live with.
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7/10/2008 8:14am
Yeah, lawyers will fix this . . .


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It raises some questions for sure. I know most feel that Lawrence is on the wrong path and needs to get things straightened out if he's going to have much of a future.

But I don't really think the AMA should be the judge of that. They should make their judgement of Lawrence based on what he has done at their event, not things that have happened in his life away from the track or race weekend.

Looking solely what has happened at the track, he has flipped a rental car and got into a fight. Is that enough to pull a guys license? I can't really say, because I would need more details on what exactly happened in each situation.
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7/10/2008 9:00am
What if it turns out that he is found not guilty and it turns out he was protecting himself?

While it is dumb that he was walking the pits at 2:00 a.m drinking it is not worth losing his career over. IMO.
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7/10/2008 9:18am
I don't know if it's fair or not, but I do know that considering everything that has gone on with him he should have known that people would "blow up" the situation.

Maybe he thought that walking away would make him into a punk or something, but avoiding the headache is a much better feeling than letting that energy out.

Adding up big checks is a good task to have on your plate.


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Yeah, lawyers will fix this . . .


Don't make me tell my off color lawyer jokes!!

We all nominate you to take the case Pro Bono and get Jlaw his AMA Pro license reinstated

FTE, FTE, FTE!
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7/10/2008 9:29am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:34pm
It seems that the AMA is trying to protect its reputation. Throwing an obviously troubled 21 year old under the bus will only make 1/2 the people happy. Getting the kid some help and and letting him continue racing (which is a good and productive thing) should make 90% of the people happy; it's a win win and good PR.


There is only a small minority of people who want to see Jason bleed and suffer

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