Disaster in mexico?

Factoryphoto wrote:

Wow what a pos track and the local riders look like there novices at best.

Factoryphoto wrote:

Wow what a pos track and the local riders look like there novices at best.

jamma10 wrote:

Whats wrong with the track?

DL wrote:

Michael hit a lappet and is at medical unit checking his hand out!

Factoryphoto wrote:

Wow what a pos track and the local riders look like there novices at best.

jamma10 wrote:

Whats wrong with the track?

oldschoolmxr203 wrote:

They over watered it ? DV tweeted a pic and parts of it looked way over watered..

SlowMoFo wrote:

I really dont see anything wrong with the track. Looks challenging and fun. They are just spoiled and used to run highways for tracks! The coverage...

I really dont see anything wrong with the track. Looks challenging and fun. They are just spoiled and used to run highways for tracks! The coverage on the other hand....its the worst I have seen!

zippy895 wrote:

http://www.chron.com/news/article/Official-49-bodies-left-on-Mexico-hig…

DL wrote:

Still no sound here on my lap top

WhKnuckle wrote:

The drug cartels are not gangstas. They are serious paramilitary groups that control certain territory as if it was their own country, and they are not...

The drug cartels are not gangstas. They are serious paramilitary groups that control certain territory as if it was their own country, and they are not the slightes bit interested in what's "good for the economy". They are Mafioso without typical Mafioso restraint toward civlians, who rule by terror.

As far as the track goes, IMO you can build a good track if it has good terrain but bad dirt, or you can build a good track if it has good dirt but bad terrain; but you can't build a good track with bad dirt and bad terrain. Lake Elsinore should make a note of that.

DrSweden wrote:

I obviously don't know enough about the bad elements there, I was just thinking this wouldn't take place without their consent, and despite their lack of...

I obviously don't know enough about the bad elements there, I was just thinking this wouldn't take place without their consent, and despite their lack of moral, I just think they prefer ruling over something than nothing, and this means more something, and more money comes in which will end up in their pockets as well?

Or you think my thinking is totally off here?

WhKnuckle wrote:

Just from what I hear when I'm down there on the border, the drug cartels are interested only in total control of their territory, and while...

Just from what I hear when I'm down there on the border, the drug cartels are interested only in total control of their territory, and while they may not respond against an event that paid them off, the amounts of money that they consider "real money" would stagger the mind. They wouldn't go out of their way for even a $100K bribe.

They might lay low since this is going to be a one-time deal that's here today and gone tomorrow, but there might be more bodies found, too. Those guys aren't fooling around. They're serious psychopathic killers who control tremendous amounts of money and power.

mx_563 wrote:

What about all the times that bikes got stolen at US Nationals? Langston's entire transporter got stolen a week ago!!!! I say we cut the entire...

What about all the times that bikes got stolen at US Nationals? Langston's entire transporter got stolen a week ago!!!!

I say we cut the entire country of Mexico some slack. They have their problems but I don't think we completely understand what is going on at the GP at this point.

Sherwood wrote:

So in America they find 11 to 15 bodies decapitated and mutilated near the place people are racing, a body near the track entrance, no ambulance...

So in America they find 11 to 15 bodies decapitated and mutilated near the place people are racing, a body near the track entrance, no ambulance, shit conditions etc at the nationals?

I live in El Paso on the border and feel safe but you can't compare what's happening in Mexico to what happens here.

I pray none of those guys go to the local hospitals.

mx_563 wrote:

Of course, the cartel stuff can't even be compared to the US. But I never compared murders or other violent crimes. [b][u]In the context of holding...

Of course, the cartel stuff can't even be compared to the US. But I never compared murders or other violent crimes.

In the context of holding an MXGP, I'm not sure Mexico's drug cartel problem is all that releveant at all. How many of the 11 to 15 decapitad bodies were those of foreign citizens (not counting mafiosos from central and south america)? Mexico has hosted a slew of major events (Red Bull X-Fighters, huge concerts, etc). I think it is completely unfair to bring up the drug cartels and associated crimes in the context of the Mexican Motocross Grand Prix of 2012 and rider boycott.

Drawing a comparison to motorcycle theft in the USA has merrit because it is related to hosting a major motorcycle event. Apples to apples. Again, if you re-read my post, you will see that I never mentioned murder rates, violent crime or the mafia. I'm not saying the US is as dangerous as Mexico. I never said that!!! But shit does get stolen at the races, both in the USA and in Mexico.

By all accounts, if the track had been well prepped, the GP would have run its course and you wouldn't be on here educating us about how bad Mexico is.

For the record, I have been to Mexico several times, and not just the beach resorts.

DL wrote:

Anybody have audio?

DL wrote:

Anybody have audio?

keinz wrote:

Do your family has any relations to Estonia, because Leib means in estonian bread

mx_563 wrote:

What about all the times that bikes got stolen at US Nationals? Langston's entire transporter got stolen a week ago!!!! I say we cut the entire...

What about all the times that bikes got stolen at US Nationals? Langston's entire transporter got stolen a week ago!!!!

I say we cut the entire country of Mexico some slack. They have their problems but I don't think we completely understand what is going on at the GP at this point.

Sherwood wrote:

So in America they find 11 to 15 bodies decapitated and mutilated near the place people are racing, a body near the track entrance, no ambulance...

So in America they find 11 to 15 bodies decapitated and mutilated near the place people are racing, a body near the track entrance, no ambulance, shit conditions etc at the nationals?

I live in El Paso on the border and feel safe but you can't compare what's happening in Mexico to what happens here.

I pray none of those guys go to the local hospitals.

mx_563 wrote:

Of course, the cartel stuff can't even be compared to the US. But I never compared murders or other violent crimes. [b][u]In the context of holding...

Of course, the cartel stuff can't even be compared to the US. But I never compared murders or other violent crimes.

In the context of holding an MXGP, I'm not sure Mexico's drug cartel problem is all that releveant at all. How many of the 11 to 15 decapitad bodies were those of foreign citizens (not counting mafiosos from central and south america)? Mexico has hosted a slew of major events (Red Bull X-Fighters, huge concerts, etc). I think it is completely unfair to bring up the drug cartels and associated crimes in the context of the Mexican Motocross Grand Prix of 2012 and rider boycott.

Drawing a comparison to motorcycle theft in the USA has merrit because it is related to hosting a major motorcycle event. Apples to apples. Again, if you re-read my post, you will see that I never mentioned murder rates, violent crime or the mafia. I'm not saying the US is as dangerous as Mexico. I never said that!!! But shit does get stolen at the races, both in the USA and in Mexico.

By all accounts, if the track had been well prepped, the GP would have run its course and you wouldn't be on here educating us about how bad Mexico is.

For the record, I have been to Mexico several times, and not just the beach resorts.

DL wrote:

Anybody have audio?

keinz wrote:

Do your family has any relations to Estonia, because Leib means in estonian bread

DL wrote:

No, German heritage I'm told.

DL wrote:

Anybody have audio?

keinz wrote:

Do your family has any relations to Estonia, because Leib means in estonian bread

DL wrote:

No, German heritage I'm told.

WhKnuckle wrote:

I'm militantly against Luongo because his only concern is his own financial fortune and he's perfectly willing to throw the riders, the teams, the sponsors and...

I'm militantly against Luongo because his only concern is his own financial fortune and he's perfectly willing to throw the riders, the teams, the sponsors and the reputation of the sport into any environment that'll advance that fortune. IMO, he's a cancer on the sport and I would never go to any race that he is running, including the specific nationals that he is apparently co-managing with DC.

JustMX wrote:

It would sure be interesting to know what Roger Decoster would have to say about all this. I can remember seeing pictures of him going down...

It would sure be interesting to know what Roger Decoster would have to say about all this.

I can remember seeing pictures of him going down to Central/South Aerica back in the early 70's to run in some races for a Suzuki importer.

Tents?......Haha....pansies

Decoster was shown trying to relax in between motos in a freaking CAGE with people mobbed around the outside to get a glimpse of the man.

OMG...and no TWITTER or Facebook either.....

The humanity..............................

WhKnuckle wrote:

I'm militantly against Luongo because his only concern is his own financial fortune and he's perfectly willing to throw the riders, the teams, the sponsors and...

I'm militantly against Luongo because his only concern is his own financial fortune and he's perfectly willing to throw the riders, the teams, the sponsors and the reputation of the sport into any environment that'll advance that fortune. IMO, he's a cancer on the sport and I would never go to any race that he is running, including the specific nationals that he is apparently co-managing with DC.

JustMX wrote:

What races is Luongo "apparently" co-managing with DC?????