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i think it might just suits different riders and there styles personally, maybe thats why alessi and short didnt do so well on them? But yeah i think it is a good bike, personally i think its great they made a 350 because for the 250 riders who are not to confident about moving up to the 450 its like a step at a time
Lets see how well he does in outdoors before we start predicting the future.
Look, RV hole shot the MXON on a 250f and he won both of his motos. Does that mean the 250f is the best motorcycle just because RV holeshot and beat 450 riders on it. No. We know that if a 250 can do it on occasions, then certainly a 450 but we also know on some track the 250f had an advantage. Even in the 2 stroke days, there were sometimes when the 125s had faster lap times, But that does not mean it is a superiour motorcycle.
Short had a hard time on the 350, He went from Mr. Holeshot to Mr holeshot not. Now that he is back on a 450 he is Mr holeshot again and now is doing well again., Roczen could not beat him on the 350 and again I see a pattern. So while the 350 may have strength on some tracks, in places like Thundervalley it is not.
Let's see how well he does in the next 2-3 years, when he's the same age as the current top lites riders.
Great comparison, when you rule out the old 4stroke technology from back then it actually makes a little bit sense...
We will just have to wait and see how they do in the outdoors. I just don't seeing Roczen being "dominant" but it is possible, so lets see.
The 2 stroke 4 stroke thing, it seems to me the 2 strokes really lost ground when AMA changed the fuel restrictions/rule. Then it appeared the 2 strokes could not compete.
They got beaten buy a guy that can't win a supercross on his first season ever, they are not even close to the AMA level!
Your are out of your mind....... :s
*Could not post the full response due to some weird reason so i had to doublepost*
Let's see how most riders would compete after making sutch big changes in their lives....... But i guess you think that has no effect on them. All you see is a bike and a rider. The things behind it do not matter and have no effect at all on the way they perform. Right?
Musquin had injuries and Roczen came in late with prep (also due to an injury). Both have limited SX experience compared to the top riders they compete with. Dominating the SX would have been humiliating to the US riders. But yet again K-roc manages to get a tie on the 2nd spot on his first ever SX season while hes only 17. The kid made a great first SX season, and he wil make a great outdoors season. Wil he win the championship?
I don't think so, not this year. But he wil be a future winner if he keeps doing what he is doing now.
I see him becoming dominant in the future, but first he has to tackle a championship, and i don't see that happening the first 2 years. K-roc is being outclassd due to EXPERIENCE. The talent is on par or maybe even better then the rest of the field he's battling.
Nevertheless: I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the battles and competition, regardless of what the outcome is.
You came to that conclusion. I never said that.
"So when a guy nails 1 or 2 GP titles he should dominate SX?"
I never said that either, I said "But first we were told, that Roczen was the fastest guy on the planet"... That is what the Euros on this board said. They had high expectations for both GP champs.
Since Roczen and Muskin are the Euros fastest riders, would you expect rider slower than these to to do better? I think it reflects on all Euro riders. But it does seem that the Frence seem to do better in SX historically.
"can't win a supercross on his first season even" Well it wasn't Roczens first season for one and "are not even close to the AMA level" It would seem that the Euros are not close to the American riders since Roczen and Musquin who are Europes best did not dominate in SX. So you would say that you would expect slower riders than Roczen and Musquin from europe to dominate in SX.. Will you accept the possibly you are the one out of your mind?
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So by that you take both Musquin and k-roc down as talented riders AND putting the rest of the lites GP field even more below the AMA dudes.
Isn't the 'not decent' a good choice then? Or would you describe it differently?
You keep hammering that they did not win an AMA sx title, thats why i was wondering and added a '?' after that.
If some random guy comes on and says the 2 euro guys wil beat everything in the AMA it makes the results allot less
impressive? Even when they made big changes with EVERYTHING? Competing in a new world of racing with allot of new people around them AND they hardly have experience with it compared to the other 'top 5' guys. All off that seems neglectable to you? Not even any need to take that into account?
It was Roczens first FULL season?....did u see a full season last year?? He had to skip Seattle due to the start of the GP season in Bulgaria. Travel after Bulgaria back to the US for Salt lake City (and hit a 2nd overall) and go back to Holland for Valkenswaard. Must have been one hell of a help getting prepped for those races while traveling overseas.... id love to see any top rider do that and still win like he never missed any prep.
This is the first season where he can truely focus on SX without any GP races in his head. He has experience yes but it's far from the experience the other AMA guys have. So his 'top5', or better, 'tied on 2nd in results' aint that bad.
You are fully aware that the GP does not have a supercross season right? That supercross and motocross are far from the same? The GP riders have close to no experience with supercross at high level? How the hell can you even think of judgeing and comparing GPresults to SX? Your eye can pickup talent like that? Wait ummm, is that you Mitch? :o
So who's possibly out of his mind then?! hmm?
I would not count them out, as we have not seen them ride SX over a few seasons. I have not seen them after they got a few years of experience in it. Making assumptions like that is as stupid as the ones that claimed Kenny would beat everyone in SX this year. He beat most of the riders in his class tough, those Euro guys where actually quite close.
Since you endlessly quote that the only time we get to compare riders is at the MXdN as that's the only time they rave each other,go through the results and see for yourself exactly how Roczen stacks up against the AMA pres guys that he's raced outdoors,he's got a new challenge this year anyhow as he's talking them on in their own series but I'm pretty sure he'll do fine,I can't wait to this Supercross stuff out of the way and onto the real racing start
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All it took was a great 250 rider to ride one instead of a carear 450 rider.
And also how can you say that roczen is no were near AMA level? BS that is! Everyone on this forum knows that is, he's proven that several times this year thats he's capable! I'm a massive fan of roczen but im not going to say he's going to make everyone look stupid in his first season..
Look at Zach osbourne, he was doing great in the AMA, then he came over to 'us' euro's and got absolutely smoked! I'm not slating him, im just proving that when everything changes around you it may take a year or two to adapt to the whole situation.
And also the track are completely different over here then in america, you cant expect either AMA rider or a Euro rider to change sides and completely dominate the first year.. But if they do then well done.
And anyway... Get back to the topic.
You could always look at it another way,the 250 is fast outdoors 100cc more =100cc more power
Also many doubted KTM in the senior AMA class but look at it now that Dungey is on it,shame he got injured and shame for everyone that Villopoto is around and so fast right now,
If (just imagine) Villopoto signed with KTM next year,I could see him winning on a 350 or 450 anyone disagree??
oh, and it's cairoli
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