Empirical evidence that the Yamaha blows...sorry, Keith!

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Edited Date/Time 4/24/2012 12:33pm
My apologies to Keith, Bob Oliver and the boys, but one need look no further than tonight's qualifying results to see the irrefutable evidence that the 450 Yamaha is just not right.

Gavin Faith put together by far his weakest qualifying effort of the year tonight on the JGR Yamaha, qualifying 28th fastest; his worst performance this season and a whopping 10 places behind his average qualifying position of 17.88 in the eight races prior, astride a Honda.

I know all the rationalizing arguments, "He's not used to the bike", "Davi seems to go fast on it", "It was good enough for Stewart to win twice on it". I'm not going to waste energy countering those plausibilities...(Fuck yeah, I made up a new word!)

I say Yamaha should stick a fork in that pig, chalk it up to a bad design and go back to the drawing board! Don't expect the resources and hard work already expended by Joe Gibbs Racing to balance out a lack of due diligence by the Factory...

This isn't computers and the riders aren't beta testers...these are riders who put their lives on the line and JGR put their reputation on the line as well. They deserve better than this...
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4/21/2012 6:38pm
LOL.....................while i don't disagree withthe Yamaha being a poor design that need to be scrapped. Using Gavin Faith, riding a bike in competition for the first time with little to no testing as the example to prove your point is a little friggen' absurd.
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4/21/2012 6:43pm
#50 set a fast lap a week or two ago on it but I am sure you you looking for 10 pages of nonsense not obvious logic.

Just because Stewart isn't riding the bike well doesn't mean the bike sucks. Reed couldn't ride a KAWI that the other guys were killing it on.
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4/21/2012 6:48pm
I do believe its the bike but also the rider, James is not comfy on that bike plain and simple. Davi on the other hand looks very good on that bike. Now those are 2 phisically opposite guys, Davi is a tall big boned guy while james is quite small. What works for one guy doesnt exactly work for another.

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4/21/2012 6:53pm
I wonder if it might have something to do with the fact that Faith has almost no time on the Yamaha and isn't nearly as comfortable as he was on the Honda. At best this just proves that the Yamaha has a different feel than a Honda, which I think everyone already knows.
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4/21/2012 6:56pm
I don't think the Yamaha is that bad,,,Its just not as good as a Honda,Kawi or a Suzuki.Go back and watch some old SX races from 09.I think Stewart rode that Yamaha so much better then the new one,I could be wrong though.
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4/21/2012 6:57pm
not this shit again

lets clarify, if you're a small dude like stewart...yeah its not good. ifyou're a big dude like davi...it's not so bad.
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Get a life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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4/21/2012 6:58pm Edited Date/Time 4/21/2012 7:02pm
Hando wrote:
not this shit again

lets clarify, if you're a small dude like stewart...yeah its not good. ifyou're a big dude like davi...it's not so bad.
what category does faith fall in? Izzi is pretty close to stewarts size.
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#50 set a fast lap a week or two ago on it but I am sure you you looking for 10 pages of nonsense not obvious...
#50 set a fast lap a week or two ago on it but I am sure you you looking for 10 pages of nonsense not obvious logic.

Just because Stewart isn't riding the bike well doesn't mean the bike sucks. Reed couldn't ride a KAWI that the other guys were killing it on.
really? so villo could have waited untill sx to ride his 2012 450 instead of switching mid way through the mx series?
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#50 set a fast lap a week or two ago on it but I am sure you you looking for 10 pages of nonsense not obvious...
#50 set a fast lap a week or two ago on it but I am sure you you looking for 10 pages of nonsense not obvious logic.

Just because Stewart isn't riding the bike well doesn't mean the bike sucks. Reed couldn't ride a KAWI that the other guys were killing it on.
bobby397 wrote:
really? so villo could have waited untill sx to ride his 2012 450 instead of switching mid way through the mx series?
Dude where did I say that the old KAWI was better than the new one?

Villipoto was doing pretty good on it but he has been superhuman on the 12 machine.

Reed couldn't ride the old KAWI but plenty of other guys were doing fine. Just because a rider and bike don't gel doesn't mean the rider or bike suck. It means the combo is no good.
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4/21/2012 7:09pm
How about the bike is good and stewarts having a bad year?
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4/21/2012 7:13pm
Pieck improved dramatically when he went to the Yamaha
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There's no need to apologise to anyone..



















not when you are talking utter bollocks.
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#50 set a fast lap a week or two ago on it but I am sure you you looking for 10 pages of nonsense not obvious...
#50 set a fast lap a week or two ago on it but I am sure you you looking for 10 pages of nonsense not obvious logic.

Just because Stewart isn't riding the bike well doesn't mean the bike sucks. Reed couldn't ride a KAWI that the other guys were killing it on.
Villo rides the 2012 well, but the 2011 he did not ride as well. Remember the beginning of the last outdoor season?
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RichYox wrote:
Get a life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey mang, I have a life and had a life. I can totally commiserate with what Stewart is feeling, because I felt the same way 33 years ago! Hahaha!

I was killing it in 1978 on Hondas and got a deal for 79 with Yamaha that was as good as it gets, other than works bikes. I had unlimited bikes and parts from the factory in a deal struck by Gary Harlow and Kenny Clark and I thought I had finally caught the break I needed. One small problem: I could not ride those 250Fs fast to save my ass! I went from feeling invincible when I pulled up to the track to questioning everything on the bike and changing shit constantly. By the time the Nats and SX series started I was no better off than months before. My results sucked and at the Pontiac Supercross I asked Gunnar Lindstrom if there was any way I could get some help from Honda and he agreed to help me out with a bike and some good parts, backdoor style. (No, don't even go there with the wiseass remarks, you know what I mean.)

Me and my mechanic, Tim Buck, packed up the Yamahas and all the parts and drove straight to California to Yamaha International and dropped it all in Ed Scheidler's lap, apologizing and truly sad to give up. Got back on Hondas and my results improved immediately. I know it doesn't mean jackshit 33 yrs later, but what is relevant is that once you get it in your head that a bike sucks and you can't ride it, you are fucked...and yer really fucked if the bike actually DOES suck, which the Yamahas did in 79 and do now!
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4/21/2012 7:25pm
Bob Hannah won everything in 79 on the piece of shit Yamaha.
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Doesn't matter, Yamaha will NOT change the bike because JS doesn't like it.
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Gone Fishing.
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The bike works well for some, and not so well for others.

No big news flash here.
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Check out 2012. Wr 450 old motor fi not carb. Hmm
4/21/2012 8:24pm
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Bob Hannah won everything in 79 on the piece of shit Yamaha.
Worx Yamaha.

You mustve missed the part where Bauer said he was on a production bike.
4/21/2012 8:24pm
jmar wrote:
The bike works well for some, and not so well for others.

No big news flash here.
Who likes the Yamaha?
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Bob Hannah won everything in 79 on the piece of shit Yamaha.
Worx Yamaha.

You mustve missed the part where Bauer said he was on a production bike.
My mistake.
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4/21/2012 9:43pm
all of the factory bikes are great. all of the factory riders are great. some are greater than others. at any level, racing comes down to preparation, belief, mindset, technique and set-up.
4/21/2012 11:28pm
RichYox wrote:
Get a life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bauer wrote:
Hey mang, I have a life and had a life. I can totally commiserate with what Stewart is feeling, because I felt the same way 33...
Hey mang, I have a life and had a life. I can totally commiserate with what Stewart is feeling, because I felt the same way 33 years ago! Hahaha!

I was killing it in 1978 on Hondas and got a deal for 79 with Yamaha that was as good as it gets, other than works bikes. I had unlimited bikes and parts from the factory in a deal struck by Gary Harlow and Kenny Clark and I thought I had finally caught the break I needed. One small problem: I could not ride those 250Fs fast to save my ass! I went from feeling invincible when I pulled up to the track to questioning everything on the bike and changing shit constantly. By the time the Nats and SX series started I was no better off than months before. My results sucked and at the Pontiac Supercross I asked Gunnar Lindstrom if there was any way I could get some help from Honda and he agreed to help me out with a bike and some good parts, backdoor style. (No, don't even go there with the wiseass remarks, you know what I mean.)

Me and my mechanic, Tim Buck, packed up the Yamahas and all the parts and drove straight to California to Yamaha International and dropped it all in Ed Scheidler's lap, apologizing and truly sad to give up. Got back on Hondas and my results improved immediately. I know it doesn't mean jackshit 33 yrs later, but what is relevant is that once you get it in your head that a bike sucks and you can't ride it, you are fucked...and yer really fucked if the bike actually DOES suck, which the Yamahas did in 79 and do now!
" I could not ride those 250Fs fast to save my ass!"

Really a 1979 250F?
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4/21/2012 11:37pm
All you have to do is watch #772 in RV's heat. That kid did nothing wrong & boom - put him on the ground quick. Just like Millsaps fall last week.
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nature v nurture at work here from a once semi-famous moto god, who provided table linen stain prevention for overburdened, overworked mothers.

Or, a combo of both that elicits creative vernacular world wide? Wink
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mikey wrote:
all of the factory bikes are great. all of the factory riders are great. some are greater than others. at any level, racing comes down to...
all of the factory bikes are great. all of the factory riders are great. some are greater than others. at any level, racing comes down to preparation, belief, mindset, technique and set-up.
Do you know this from experience or just something you read in a motivational book?

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