When do people stop being "kids"?

4/21/2012 1:14pm Edited Date/Time 4/21/2012 1:15pm
dirtnapper wrote:
Not trying to start a argument here or anything ( although I have a pretty strong feeling already where this thread will go....) but I have...
Not trying to start a argument here or anything ( although I have a pretty strong feeling already where this thread will go....) but I have a question.

When do we stop referring to people as being "kids"? Reading the Ryan Mills Arrested thread, thinking back to Bogle and Barcia's tantrums, James' playing cops, etc. it seems like one of the first things people say is "remember, these are just kids......." or "they are just young still.........."

Well sorry, but when I was 16, I had to be accountable for what I did. I could get a job, I could drive, I could stay out late, etc. so I had to be held a bit more responsible.

How come in the moto industry we still defend 18 - 25 years olds actions and just say "they are just being kids"?

Doesn't seem right. They are adults. Period.
mxb2 wrote:
Most kids get paid minimum wage, what factory rider makes that wage. You want the big money act like an adult, cannot have it both ways...
Most kids get paid minimum wage, what factory rider makes that wage. You want the big money act like an adult, cannot have it both ways The excuse is old.
The size of your paycheck has nothing to do with it. Money is a truth serum. It amplifies everything, good & bad.

Again, what you think should happen, is getting in the way of you seeing whats is ACTUALLY happening.

Kinda like when the world was discovered to be a sphere but the church didnt LIKE the findings.
4/21/2012 1:17pm
When I was 18 and got shipped off to college I discovered that there was a distinct group of 'kids' my age that slid very comfortably...
When I was 18 and got shipped off to college I discovered that there was a distinct group of 'kids' my age that slid very comfortably into the American lifestyle. They graduated from college, got married, popped out their 2.2 kids, and plugged themselves right into the business world with nary a glitch. Others, myself included, struggled with what can best be described as 'failure to launch' syndrome. It took me years to come to terms with a world based on ego's, greed, ignorance, pecking order politics, and conformity to those items mentioned. A world that should have been based on wonder, love, empathy, and growth. When I see the Lawrences, Hansens, Stewarts, etc. part of me sympathizes with where they are at because on some level they are probably aware of what a sham the adult world is and the other part of me snickers at their taking for granted opportunities only a few of us will ever get. One thing is for sure though and that is that the FTL crowd is much more interesting to hang out with as you get older...
Great post, I concur! If I may add, most of the MX crowd nowadays was home schooled, therefore no social interaction with the everyday kids. One needs to learn early what mistakes are costly and never to repeat or one needs to learn from others' mistakes both of which home schooled kids never get to to see first hand. They are simply reliving their youth...which they never had!!!
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4/21/2012 1:25pm Edited Date/Time 4/21/2012 1:28pm
Hando wrote:
most pro riders are spoiled rich kid punks

im really not surprised by any of their actions
mom241 wrote:
Name me 5 current riders that grew up rich.
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast...

BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone says those Cobra days were the best!!
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Hando wrote:
most pro riders are spoiled rich kid punks

im really not surprised by any of their actions
mom241 wrote:
Name me 5 current riders that grew up rich.
35smom wrote:
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast... BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone...
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast...

BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone says those Cobra days were the best!!
Wazzup Ms P.

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Wazzup Ms P.
Just countin the days till Hangtown Billy...Smile
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Wazzup Ms P.
35smom wrote:
Just countin the days till Hangtown Billy...Smile
cool cool, good luck to you guys, def see ya at hi point, budds
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Hando wrote:
most pro riders are spoiled rich kid punks

im really not surprised by any of their actions
mom241 wrote:
Name me 5 current riders that grew up rich.
35smom wrote:
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast... BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone...
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast...

BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone says those Cobra days were the best!!
yeah..poor people take their kids to lorettas

even if they;re spending ALL their money, they still got it

this ain't no poor mans sport [anymore]
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mom241 wrote:
Name me 5 current riders that grew up rich.
35smom wrote:
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast... BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone...
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast...

BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone says those Cobra days were the best!!
Hando wrote:
yeah..poor people take their kids to lorettas even if they;re spending ALL their money, they still got it this ain't no poor mans sport [anymore]
yeah..poor people take their kids to lorettas

even if they;re spending ALL their money, they still got it

this ain't no poor mans sport [anymore]
Couldn't name 5 could you?
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4/21/2012 5:01pm
When I was 18 and got shipped off to college I discovered that there was a distinct group of 'kids' my age that slid very comfortably...
When I was 18 and got shipped off to college I discovered that there was a distinct group of 'kids' my age that slid very comfortably into the American lifestyle. They graduated from college, got married, popped out their 2.2 kids, and plugged themselves right into the business world with nary a glitch. Others, myself included, struggled with what can best be described as 'failure to launch' syndrome. It took me years to come to terms with a world based on ego's, greed, ignorance, pecking order politics, and conformity to those items mentioned. A world that should have been based on wonder, love, empathy, and growth. When I see the Lawrences, Hansens, Stewarts, etc. part of me sympathizes with where they are at because on some level they are probably aware of what a sham the adult world is and the other part of me snickers at their taking for granted opportunities only a few of us will ever get. One thing is for sure though and that is that the FTL crowd is much more interesting to hang out with as you get older...
Well written, intelligent post. I like your style, and agree.
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4/21/2012 5:14pm
mom241 wrote:
Name me 5 current riders that grew up rich.
35smom wrote:
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast... BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone...
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast...

BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone says those Cobra days were the best!!
Hando wrote:
yeah..poor people take their kids to lorettas even if they;re spending ALL their money, they still got it this ain't no poor mans sport [anymore]
yeah..poor people take their kids to lorettas

even if they;re spending ALL their money, they still got it

this ain't no poor mans sport [anymore]
I can name 3 guys, that many consider the best riders in the world....ever...that were not rich at all

Carmichael
McGrath
Stewart

Hando....you are showing your ignorance bud.
4/21/2012 5:16pm
dirtnapper wrote:
Not trying to start a argument here or anything ( although I have a pretty strong feeling already where this thread will go....) but I have...
Not trying to start a argument here or anything ( although I have a pretty strong feeling already where this thread will go....) but I have a question.

When do we stop referring to people as being "kids"? Reading the Ryan Mills Arrested thread, thinking back to Bogle and Barcia's tantrums, James' playing cops, etc. it seems like one of the first things people say is "remember, these are just kids......." or "they are just young still.........."

Well sorry, but when I was 16, I had to be accountable for what I did. I could get a job, I could drive, I could stay out late, etc. so I had to be held a bit more responsible.

How come in the moto industry we still defend 18 - 25 years olds actions and just say "they are just being kids"?

Doesn't seem right. They are adults. Period.
Not period. Your assumption (an incorrect one) is that all people mature at the same rate as dirtnapper. Or, to be more blunt: Who cares what you did at 16 years old? You're not them and they are not you.
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4/21/2012 5:20pm Edited Date/Time 4/21/2012 5:24pm
mom241 wrote:
Name me 5 current riders that grew up rich.
35smom wrote:
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast... BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone...
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast...

BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone says those Cobra days were the best!!
Hando wrote:
yeah..poor people take their kids to lorettas even if they;re spending ALL their money, they still got it this ain't no poor mans sport [anymore]
yeah..poor people take their kids to lorettas

even if they;re spending ALL their money, they still got it

this ain't no poor mans sport [anymore]
When are kids not kids?

How much money is "rich"?

I dunno. Now days, anybody that is raising a family and still has expendable income to afford one new bike every year, and make it to most the local races... I think that's reasonably wealthy.
4/21/2012 5:21pm
When I was 18 and got shipped off to college I discovered that there was a distinct group of 'kids' my age that slid very comfortably...
When I was 18 and got shipped off to college I discovered that there was a distinct group of 'kids' my age that slid very comfortably into the American lifestyle. They graduated from college, got married, popped out their 2.2 kids, and plugged themselves right into the business world with nary a glitch. Others, myself included, struggled with what can best be described as 'failure to launch' syndrome. It took me years to come to terms with a world based on ego's, greed, ignorance, pecking order politics, and conformity to those items mentioned. A world that should have been based on wonder, love, empathy, and growth. When I see the Lawrences, Hansens, Stewarts, etc. part of me sympathizes with where they are at because on some level they are probably aware of what a sham the adult world is and the other part of me snickers at their taking for granted opportunities only a few of us will ever get. One thing is for sure though and that is that the FTL crowd is much more interesting to hang out with as you get older...
You just described me! Great post, ClassCClairVoyant!!
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As far as things that happen at the races, I say 16 because I had a job at 16 and I was held responsible for anything I did. Whether its a pro sport or not it's still a job and IMO the same rules should be applied. Some kid flipping burgers can't say slap a kid in the head.

As for things off the track, my opinion is that you're a "grown up" at 23. Go to a college party or hang out anywhere on a campus and even the seniors still do a lot of foolish things that they will end up regretting. Just my .02
4/21/2012 5:52pm
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As far as things that happen at the races, I say 16 because I had a job at 16 and I was held responsible for anything...
As far as things that happen at the races, I say 16 because I had a job at 16 and I was held responsible for anything I did. Whether its a pro sport or not it's still a job and IMO the same rules should be applied. Some kid flipping burgers can't say slap a kid in the head.

As for things off the track, my opinion is that you're a "grown up" at 23. Go to a college party or hang out anywhere on a campus and even the seniors still do a lot of foolish things that they will end up regretting. Just my .02
Some kid flipping burgers can't say slap a kid in the head.

A kid flipping burgers CAN'T slap someone in the head? Do you mean that there would be a consequence if he did?

You know Bogle was fined, right?
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Hando wrote:
most pro riders are spoiled rich kid punks

im really not surprised by any of their actions
mom241 wrote:
Name me 5 current riders that grew up rich.
35smom wrote:
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast... BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone...
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast...

BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone says those Cobra days were the best!!
Money does help you get fast in motor sports.
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shaner708 wrote:
As far as things that happen at the races, I say 16 because I had a job at 16 and I was held responsible for anything...
As far as things that happen at the races, I say 16 because I had a job at 16 and I was held responsible for anything I did. Whether its a pro sport or not it's still a job and IMO the same rules should be applied. Some kid flipping burgers can't say slap a kid in the head.

As for things off the track, my opinion is that you're a "grown up" at 23. Go to a college party or hang out anywhere on a campus and even the seniors still do a lot of foolish things that they will end up regretting. Just my .02
[b]Some kid flipping burgers can't say slap a kid in the head. [/b] A kid flipping burgers CAN'T slap someone in the head? Do you mean...
Some kid flipping burgers can't say slap a kid in the head.

A kid flipping burgers CAN'T slap someone in the head? Do you mean that there would be a consequence if he did?

You know Bogle was fined, right?
My guess would be that the burger flipper would lose his job. Did Bogle? That would be like fining the burger flipper $20.
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Legally... you are no longer a "kid" at 18.

The difference between an adult and a kid: adults take ownership for their mistakes.

Calling someone older than 17 years old is disrespectful and takes the moment of "ownership" from guilty party.

Why in the fuck or who in fuck what would do that?
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mom241 wrote:
Name me 5 current riders that grew up rich.
35smom wrote:
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast... BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone...
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast...

BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone says those Cobra days were the best!!
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Money does help you get fast in motor sports.
I'm sorry but either your fast or your not.
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4/21/2012 6:13pm Edited Date/Time 4/21/2012 6:17pm
35smom wrote:
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast... BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone...
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast...

BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone says those Cobra days were the best!!
Hando wrote:
yeah..poor people take their kids to lorettas even if they;re spending ALL their money, they still got it this ain't no poor mans sport [anymore]
yeah..poor people take their kids to lorettas

even if they;re spending ALL their money, they still got it

this ain't no poor mans sport [anymore]
Sully22 wrote:
I can name 3 guys, that many consider the best riders in the world....ever...that were not rich at all Carmichael McGrath Stewart Hando....you are showing your...
I can name 3 guys, that many consider the best riders in the world....ever...that were not rich at all

Carmichael
McGrath
Stewart

Hando....you are showing your ignorance bud.
You can add RC to that mix too. How about Trey Canard?

However Sully.... I would not call Hando ignorant. MX use to be the cheapest motorsport. The cost of racing has sky rocketed since the 1980s.

Can you buy a

250F Stock
250F Mod
450F Stock
450F Mod

Bikes to race?
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4/21/2012 6:15pm Edited Date/Time 4/21/2012 6:17pm
35smom wrote:
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast... BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone...
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast...

BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone says those Cobra days were the best!!
Bellone wrote:
Money does help you get fast in motor sports.
Sherwood wrote:
I'm sorry but either your fast or your not.
I'll bet their is a ton of talent that goes unnoticed. Money gives you advantages: Riding coaches, trainers, the best equipment.

What money cannot buy: desire, will, and talent.

The question I have: how many poor kids with out support who have desire, will, and talent go unnoticed?

Great thing about motocross: body weight and heigh do not matter like baseball, basketball, and football.

Imagine Flutie at 6ft 2 and 220lbs? Think there would have been a Johnson vs Flutie moment in Buffalo?
4/21/2012 6:17pm
shaner708 wrote:
As far as things that happen at the races, I say 16 because I had a job at 16 and I was held responsible for anything...
As far as things that happen at the races, I say 16 because I had a job at 16 and I was held responsible for anything I did. Whether its a pro sport or not it's still a job and IMO the same rules should be applied. Some kid flipping burgers can't say slap a kid in the head.

As for things off the track, my opinion is that you're a "grown up" at 23. Go to a college party or hang out anywhere on a campus and even the seniors still do a lot of foolish things that they will end up regretting. Just my .02
[b]Some kid flipping burgers can't say slap a kid in the head. [/b] A kid flipping burgers CAN'T slap someone in the head? Do you mean...
Some kid flipping burgers can't say slap a kid in the head.

A kid flipping burgers CAN'T slap someone in the head? Do you mean that there would be a consequence if he did?

You know Bogle was fined, right?
Ing wrote:
My guess would be that the burger flipper would lose his job. Did Bogle? That would be like fining the burger flipper $20.
And so knowing all of the above... why are some of us here surprised when these kids dont grow up as fast as us normal folks?

You guys do realize that youre proving my point with every post. By giving examples of what made you grow up at a certain age, and then giving examples of pro mx'ers not being held responsible for their actions is proof positive as to why they suffer from arrested development and some of you more mature folk do not.
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When I was 18 and got shipped off to college I discovered that there was a distinct group of 'kids' my age that slid very comfortably...
When I was 18 and got shipped off to college I discovered that there was a distinct group of 'kids' my age that slid very comfortably into the American lifestyle. They graduated from college, got married, popped out their 2.2 kids, and plugged themselves right into the business world with nary a glitch. Others, myself included, struggled with what can best be described as 'failure to launch' syndrome. It took me years to come to terms with a world based on ego's, greed, ignorance, pecking order politics, and conformity to those items mentioned. A world that should have been based on wonder, love, empathy, and growth. When I see the Lawrences, Hansens, Stewarts, etc. part of me sympathizes with where they are at because on some level they are probably aware of what a sham the adult world is and the other part of me snickers at their taking for granted opportunities only a few of us will ever get. One thing is for sure though and that is that the FTL crowd is much more interesting to hang out with as you get older...
Great post, I concur! If I may add, most of the MX crowd nowadays was home schooled, therefore no social interaction with the everyday kids. One...
Great post, I concur! If I may add, most of the MX crowd nowadays was home schooled, therefore no social interaction with the everyday kids. One needs to learn early what mistakes are costly and never to repeat or one needs to learn from others' mistakes both of which home schooled kids never get to to see first hand. They are simply reliving their youth...which they never had!!!
Fuckin awesome post
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4/21/2012 6:23pm Edited Date/Time 4/21/2012 6:24pm
35smom wrote:
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast... BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone...
x1000. Every sport has rich kids in it. Having money in this sport doesnt make you fast...

BTW...Kari LOVE the profile pic!! No matter what anyone says those Cobra days were the best!!
Hando wrote:
yeah..poor people take their kids to lorettas even if they;re spending ALL their money, they still got it this ain't no poor mans sport [anymore]
yeah..poor people take their kids to lorettas

even if they;re spending ALL their money, they still got it

this ain't no poor mans sport [anymore]
Sully22 wrote:
I can name 3 guys, that many consider the best riders in the world....ever...that were not rich at all Carmichael McGrath Stewart Hando....you are showing your...
I can name 3 guys, that many consider the best riders in the world....ever...that were not rich at all

Carmichael
McGrath
Stewart

Hando....you are showing your ignorance bud.
Stewart wasn't rich but he was HIGLHY supported as an amateur and got alot of stuff..and he entirely deserved it.

RC and MC werent rich either, but they certainly weren't poor.

Like i said, MOST of these kids are spoiled rich kid punks. MOST..not all.

jason lawrence doesn't come from money either..he was a punk...the alessi's aren't rich either, but they are still punks and spoiled.
4/21/2012 6:25pm
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I'll bet their is a ton of talent that goes unnoticed. Money gives you advantages: Riding coaches, trainers, the best equipment. What money cannot buy: desire...
I'll bet their is a ton of talent that goes unnoticed. Money gives you advantages: Riding coaches, trainers, the best equipment.

What money cannot buy: desire, will, and talent.

The question I have: how many poor kids with out support who have desire, will, and talent go unnoticed?

Great thing about motocross: body weight and heigh do not matter like baseball, basketball, and football.

Imagine Flutie at 6ft 2 and 220lbs? Think there would have been a Johnson vs Flutie moment in Buffalo?
Most all of them go unnoticed. In fact, odds are that the fastest kid to ever potentially ride a dirtbike probably has never been on a dirtbike. This sport is not a true meritocracy. But that isnt the discussion now is it?

(Im a huge Flutie fan btw, boy was he robbed)


Take that poor, humble, hard working, talented kid and put him in an environment where he is constantly told how good he is, wins races, gets pussy with ease, has people get him out of trouble when he makes little mistakes, and eventually, he wont be so hard working and humble anymore. Its just human nature. We are all a product of our environment to a large degree.

Part of being a successful racer is to be a bit of a punk. It takes tremendous self confidence. You almost need to be comfortable being an asshole and thinking that you can do no wrong and that your shit doesnt stink. It's something all the greats had in common while they were great. It doesnt make for being a very nice human in the real world, but it does make for a great racer on the track.
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Hando wrote:
yeah..poor people take their kids to lorettas even if they;re spending ALL their money, they still got it this ain't no poor mans sport [anymore]
yeah..poor people take their kids to lorettas

even if they;re spending ALL their money, they still got it

this ain't no poor mans sport [anymore]
Sully22 wrote:
I can name 3 guys, that many consider the best riders in the world....ever...that were not rich at all Carmichael McGrath Stewart Hando....you are showing your...
I can name 3 guys, that many consider the best riders in the world....ever...that were not rich at all

Carmichael
McGrath
Stewart

Hando....you are showing your ignorance bud.
Hando wrote:
Stewart wasn't rich but he was HIGLHY supported as an amateur and got alot of stuff..and he entirely deserved it. RC and MC werent rich either...
Stewart wasn't rich but he was HIGLHY supported as an amateur and got alot of stuff..and he entirely deserved it.

RC and MC werent rich either, but they certainly weren't poor.

Like i said, MOST of these kids are spoiled rich kid punks. MOST..not all.

jason lawrence doesn't come from money either..he was a punk...the alessi's aren't rich either, but they are still punks and spoiled.
Dumb ass of the year award post!
4/21/2012 6:27pm Edited Date/Time 4/21/2012 6:30pm
Hando wrote:
Stewart wasn't rich but he was HIGLHY supported as an amateur and got alot of stuff..and he entirely deserved it. RC and MC werent rich either...
Stewart wasn't rich but he was HIGLHY supported as an amateur and got alot of stuff..and he entirely deserved it.

RC and MC werent rich either, but they certainly weren't poor.

Like i said, MOST of these kids are spoiled rich kid punks. MOST..not all.

jason lawrence doesn't come from money either..he was a punk...the alessi's aren't rich either, but they are still punks and spoiled.
The Alessi's are NOT punks.

Jeff is about as down to earth as it gets.

And Mike is just locked in all the time. Focused on his job. But not a punk. I find it really hard to call Mike spoiled when he works as hard as he does for his craft. He absolutely lives moto. And he's earned everything he has, which isnt much because he's reinvested it ALL back into making himself a better MX racer. Spoiled he is not.



Many that know him would say that Michael Jordan is one of the biggest assholes ever. Intolerable. And very demanding and tough to be around. And you know what? MJ would probably take that as a compliment. Food for thought.
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When I was 18 and got shipped off to college I discovered that there was a distinct group of 'kids' my age that slid very comfortably...
When I was 18 and got shipped off to college I discovered that there was a distinct group of 'kids' my age that slid very comfortably into the American lifestyle. They graduated from college, got married, popped out their 2.2 kids, and plugged themselves right into the business world with nary a glitch. Others, myself included, struggled with what can best be described as 'failure to launch' syndrome. It took me years to come to terms with a world based on ego's, greed, ignorance, pecking order politics, and conformity to those items mentioned. A world that should have been based on wonder, love, empathy, and growth. When I see the Lawrences, Hansens, Stewarts, etc. part of me sympathizes with where they are at because on some level they are probably aware of what a sham the adult world is and the other part of me snickers at their taking for granted opportunities only a few of us will ever get. One thing is for sure though and that is that the FTL crowd is much more interesting to hang out with as you get older...
Awesome post and 100% agree with this.

I always thought it was strange how some can seem to do no wrong and others can't see to do anything right, despite having the same opportunities.

I think the adult world is a sham as well!!
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4/21/2012 6:38pm
bd wrote:
I'll bet their is a ton of talent that goes unnoticed. Money gives you advantages: Riding coaches, trainers, the best equipment. What money cannot buy: desire...
I'll bet their is a ton of talent that goes unnoticed. Money gives you advantages: Riding coaches, trainers, the best equipment.

What money cannot buy: desire, will, and talent.

The question I have: how many poor kids with out support who have desire, will, and talent go unnoticed?

Great thing about motocross: body weight and heigh do not matter like baseball, basketball, and football.

Imagine Flutie at 6ft 2 and 220lbs? Think there would have been a Johnson vs Flutie moment in Buffalo?
Most all of them go unnoticed. In fact, odds are that the fastest kid to ever potentially ride a dirtbike probably has never been on a...
Most all of them go unnoticed. In fact, odds are that the fastest kid to ever potentially ride a dirtbike probably has never been on a dirtbike. This sport is not a true meritocracy. But that isnt the discussion now is it?

(Im a huge Flutie fan btw, boy was he robbed)


Take that poor, humble, hard working, talented kid and put him in an environment where he is constantly told how good he is, wins races, gets pussy with ease, has people get him out of trouble when he makes little mistakes, and eventually, he wont be so hard working and humble anymore. Its just human nature. We are all a product of our environment to a large degree.

Part of being a successful racer is to be a bit of a punk. It takes tremendous self confidence. You almost need to be comfortable being an asshole and thinking that you can do no wrong and that your shit doesnt stink. It's something all the greats had in common while they were great. It doesnt make for being a very nice human in the real world, but it does make for a great racer on the track.
Money doesnt make you fast, but it certainly helps make you faster

The top guys, regardless of how good they are, got their because of monetary support

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