How to buy a used 250f without getting screwed?

Edited Date/Time 4/19/2012 10:11pm
I am engulfed into the ama series and the four stroke machines littered in the culture of our sport. Therefore i'm heading towards a 250f.

In considering my limited budget and riding ability i don't want to get screwed over, so im considering going even to the extreme of buying a blown up 250f and having a freshly rebuilt, restored bike (including the rest of bike such as bearings, sprockets and cables, etc) just so there is a guarantee. I'm thinking of a Yamaha for more of a safe move. Does anyone have any suggestions? Yes I am aware of how great two strokes are but i want to be the best darn yuppie around and ride like my heroes on the ama circuit. Does anyone have any other ideas?
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How to buy a used 250f without getting screwed?


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4/16/2012 7:51am
If you don't buy one already scattered, buy one with the intent to go through it before it scatters. The 250f's don't break down on the small scale, they do it in grand fashion. I would go fresh from the crank up.
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4/16/2012 8:11am
Buy Cheap!! I bought one cheap and am rebuilding off ebay and oem parts. I know everyone takes great care of their bikes. I am into a new swing arm and linkage, wheelset, brakes, etc. The engine started on the 2nd kick and ran strong, with gasket loops out of the carb cover. Carb rebuild. But, I have money to work with, due to the price of the bike. You know you are already out a chain, sprockets, tires, bars, grips, from the start. Honestly how many people lube their linkage at a scheduled interval, 2 or 4 stroke? Best of Luck
4/17/2012 1:32am
Thanks for the advice. From the reply's, obviously my ideas are quite appropriate, which is good to know. Another thing to consider is the average bikes wear and tear of all brands. To buy a bike with 50- 60 hours would be an uncertainty, as to really know if it is well looked after. It could come down to sheer laziness, but then again if the owner is in the know, they would make it a priority to service the bike regularly to prolong the life of it. Playing poker with used 250fs is difficult.

To assess the condition of a bike online for sale is difficult. I usually look at the wear on the motor where the boots have worn the paint off. I mean to grab a bargain (nation wide) would be to investigate the condition via what is said on the description and a phone call. Photos do do justice,but then again no one will take photos of the inside of the motor...I guess i will have to find out the costs are of parts and labor with what may ultimately be necessary...

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4/17/2012 11:41am
Firebird77 wrote:
I am engulfed into the ama series and the four stroke machines littered in the culture of our sport. Therefore i'm heading towards a 250f. In...
I am engulfed into the ama series and the four stroke machines littered in the culture of our sport. Therefore i'm heading towards a 250f.

In considering my limited budget and riding ability i don't want to get screwed over, so im considering going even to the extreme of buying a blown up 250f and having a freshly rebuilt, restored bike (including the rest of bike such as bearings, sprockets and cables, etc) just so there is a guarantee. I'm thinking of a Yamaha for more of a safe move. Does anyone have any suggestions? Yes I am aware of how great two strokes are but i want to be the best darn yuppie around and ride like my heroes on the ama circuit. Does anyone have any other ideas?
Whats your budget?
4/17/2012 6:26pm
My budget is 5000 - 5500. Ive saved 3 grand so far. Ill be waiting about 6 months so i have money to buy the rest of the things such as gear, tools, van. Perhaps prices will change by then with another year passing over. Im guessing that there will be more bikes in that price range.

Here's a few from Ebay.

2010 yz250f

Kxf250
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4/17/2012 9:13pm
Buy a new YZF250.. Keep the oil clean, rebuild it from the bottom up, no later than 100 hours..
4/17/2012 11:56pm
Im looking to spend 5000 - 5500 in about 6 months when i have everything else (gear, tools, transport etc)

There are a couple of 2010 yz250f's in that price range. It will be interesting what the prices will be once the 2013 models hit the showroom floors.
4/18/2012 12:03am
Here is the ebay.com.au list of yz250fs:

Yzf
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4/18/2012 1:47am
Easy take your money and buy a KTM 250sx and save money in the long run. Then you will not get screwed.
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4/18/2012 11:35am
Firebird77 wrote:
Im looking to spend 5000 - 5500 in about 6 months when i have everything else (gear, tools, transport etc) There are a couple of 2010...
Im looking to spend 5000 - 5500 in about 6 months when i have everything else (gear, tools, transport etc)

There are a couple of 2010 yz250f's in that price range. It will be interesting what the prices will be once the 2013 models hit the showroom floors.
Buy a new leftover model, great deals out there. 10, or 11 year bikes
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4/18/2012 12:47pm
Firebird77 wrote:
Im looking to spend 5000 - 5500 in about 6 months when i have everything else (gear, tools, transport etc) There are a couple of 2010...
Im looking to spend 5000 - 5500 in about 6 months when i have everything else (gear, tools, transport etc)

There are a couple of 2010 yz250f's in that price range. It will be interesting what the prices will be once the 2013 models hit the showroom floors.
mxb2 wrote:
Buy a new leftover model, great deals out there. 10, or 11 year bikes
This is not a bad idea. Up until recently, there were '09 YZs floating around. You might still find one somewhere. Odds are good that any bike older than the '12s is owned by a dealer who really wants to sell it.
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4/18/2012 2:43pm
newmann wrote:
If you don't buy one already scattered, buy one with the intent to go through it before it scatters. The 250f's don't break down on the...
If you don't buy one already scattered, buy one with the intent to go through it before it scatters. The 250f's don't break down on the small scale, they do it in grand fashion. I would go fresh from the crank up.
You mean like this one? This is my 09 YZ250F which went kaboom last weekend.

Rod twisted and pulled the wrist pin right out of the bottom of the piston
Cylinder wall has a deep gouge
Both Exhaust valves snapped in two
All Three Intake valves bent
Chips in the head

I think I am going to freshen it up with the crank up Smile




4/18/2012 5:51pm
Shit! How many hours did you get out of it? Do you like the rev limiter? How often did you service it?
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4/18/2012 6:17pm
Firebird77 wrote:
Shit! How many hours did you get out of it? Do you like the rev limiter? How often did you service it?
The bike has just under 100 hours on it, Changed the air filter every ride, oil every 2.5 - 3 hours. Piston and rings every 25 hours. When I changed it last time, about 2 weeks ago, I probably should have replaced the crank at that time. That piston had about an hour on it.
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4/18/2012 7:14pm
If your budget is 5k, how much extra would it take to save another 2k for a new one? I would either buy wicked cheep and plan on sinking a shit load into it (replace everything), or buy very close to new. But condsider this, my wife bought her 250f new in 06. She is a 41 year old mother of two! She runs in the back of pack of the 40c class, and this bike sees little abuse, but it manages to eat the crank every year and a half along with eating valves. Not trying to scare you away from a 250f, just know what you are getting into.
Oh and Pete24, dont tell my wife about my post.
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4/18/2012 9:11pm
I would lean towards finding a new left over at a dealer. Otherwise someone you know, and know how the bike has bean serviced.
If you just absolutely have to buy from Craigslist or other classifieds? Llook closely at the wear on the stator and clutch cover. That is a good indication of ride time (if its well worn and they say it has 20 hours its BS / walk away) . Another thing is if it has been "completely rebuilt with thousands in the crank and head ect ect" as seems to be the claim on nine out of ten bikes, they better have receipts, otherwise its BS / walk away. When you go and look at it pay close attention in all the nooks and cranies of the engine block around the hard to reach areas. Just to make sure your not getting a polished turd. Follow your gut and use common sense check the obvious wheel, swing arm, steering head, bearings. if you have to kick the shirt out of it to start it? does it pop and crackle after it is warm Stuff like that. Take someone with you who knows. In the end its still a gamble.
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In the states you can easily get a leftover new 250f for 5000-5500, but I've read on here the bikes are usually a couple G's more in Australia so that may not be an option for you. I've bought two 250f's used and had good luck with them engine wise, 05 yz250f and 06 kx250f, both had former owners that were obviously slow. However the kx250f turned out to have suspension that was completely unrideable due to it being set up for trail riding. IE the shock shaft had been ground down to lower seat height I guess and someone that was not institutionally trained and worked on the internals. I ended up having to send the components to Pro Circuit after being completely frustrated. They had to put in a bunch of OEM stuff that had been damaged as well as the normal respring/revalve. Turned out to be awesome, almost $1000 later. I ended rebuilding the top end myself at the same time. All in all I don't think I saved by buying an almost new bike (it was still 2006/early 2007) for a non-racer.

The point is it's tough to know what you are getting. A lot of bikes I've seen listed as "never raced" etc were also never maintained or owned by someone that didn't have the basic bike knowledge that any racer does. Personally I feel that every bike I've sold to someone else has been in better shape than any bike I've bought used at the time of purchase.
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TC67 wrote:
I would lean towards finding a new left over at a dealer. Otherwise someone you know, and know how the bike has bean serviced. If you...
I would lean towards finding a new left over at a dealer. Otherwise someone you know, and know how the bike has bean serviced.
If you just absolutely have to buy from Craigslist or other classifieds? Llook closely at the wear on the stator and clutch cover. That is a good indication of ride time (if its well worn and they say it has 20 hours its BS / walk away) . Another thing is if it has been "completely rebuilt with thousands in the crank and head ect ect" as seems to be the claim on nine out of ten bikes, they better have receipts, otherwise its BS / walk away. When you go and look at it pay close attention in all the nooks and cranies of the engine block around the hard to reach areas. Just to make sure your not getting a polished turd. Follow your gut and use common sense check the obvious wheel, swing arm, steering head, bearings. if you have to kick the shirt out of it to start it? does it pop and crackle after it is warm Stuff like that. Take someone with you who knows. In the end its still a gamble.
The paint was probably 70% gone on the clutch cover and 20-30% gone on the ignition side of my KX450F after 10 hrs. It doesn't take long, not a good indicator on a bike with painted covers. It is interesting that basically every bike has a brand new top end and about half have just been completely rebuilt.

You are right about it being a gamble in the end though.
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4/19/2012 11:39am
Here in the US, a quick Cycle Trader search will find new 09/10 YZ250F's starting at $3999.00. I'd gladly fork over 4 g's for a new on before 2 g's for a used one.
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newmann wrote:
If you don't buy one already scattered, buy one with the intent to go through it before it scatters. The 250f's don't break down on the...
If you don't buy one already scattered, buy one with the intent to go through it before it scatters. The 250f's don't break down on the small scale, they do it in grand fashion. I would go fresh from the crank up.
RNagy052 wrote:
You mean like this one? This is my 09 YZ250F which went kaboom last weekend. Rod twisted and pulled the wrist pin right out of the...
You mean like this one? This is my 09 YZ250F which went kaboom last weekend.

Rod twisted and pulled the wrist pin right out of the bottom of the piston
Cylinder wall has a deep gouge
Both Exhaust valves snapped in two
All Three Intake valves bent
Chips in the head

I think I am going to freshen it up with the crank up Smile




Yes, like that! I'll bet my 01 didn't have 25-30 hrs. on it when it dropped a valve. Didn't break the wrist pin out, but it did do this.Woohoo

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Wow. been there, done that, but those days are over now. My son rides an '08 RM250 now. Loves the bike. I still laugh at how easy it is to fix that motor, compared to the 4t's he used to have. He busted up the frame on the RM, but even a new frame is half of what it'll cost to fix that engine. Thank God you can do the work. It would probably cost an extra grand if you couldn't. Breaking a valve at 25 hours. It should happen, but it does, lots of times.
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4/19/2012 1:02pm
Firebird77 wrote:
Im looking to spend 5000 - 5500 in about 6 months when i have everything else (gear, tools, transport etc) There are a couple of 2010...
Im looking to spend 5000 - 5500 in about 6 months when i have everything else (gear, tools, transport etc)

There are a couple of 2010 yz250f's in that price range. It will be interesting what the prices will be once the 2013 models hit the showroom floors.
mxb2 wrote:
Buy a new leftover model, great deals out there. 10, or 11 year bikes
Falcon wrote:
This is not a bad idea. Up until recently, there were '09 YZs floating around. You might still find one somewhere. Odds are good that any...
This is not a bad idea. Up until recently, there were '09 YZs floating around. You might still find one somewhere. Odds are good that any bike older than the '12s is owned by a dealer who really wants to sell it.
save a litttle longer, get a new leftover, I would not buy used unless it was clean and from someone i knew.
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4/19/2012 1:16pm
If your budget is 5k, how much extra would it take to save another 2k for a new one? I would either buy wicked cheep and...
If your budget is 5k, how much extra would it take to save another 2k for a new one? I would either buy wicked cheep and plan on sinking a shit load into it (replace everything), or buy very close to new. But condsider this, my wife bought her 250f new in 06. She is a 41 year old mother of two! She runs in the back of pack of the 40c class, and this bike sees little abuse, but it manages to eat the crank every year and a half along with eating valves. Not trying to scare you away from a 250f, just know what you are getting into.
Oh and Pete24, dont tell my wife about my post.
Ha ha stooper, the cr125 that your wife races against was bought used fro 2000, has 195 hours on it two pistons one set of reeds and NO cranks
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4/19/2012 3:32pm
pete24 wrote:
How to buy a used 250f without getting screwed?


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I agree.
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4/19/2012 10:11pm
Firebird77 wrote:
Shit! How many hours did you get out of it? Do you like the rev limiter? How often did you service it?
RNagy052 wrote:
The bike has just under 100 hours on it, Changed the air filter every ride, oil every 2.5 - 3 hours. Piston and rings every 25...
The bike has just under 100 hours on it, Changed the air filter every ride, oil every 2.5 - 3 hours. Piston and rings every 25 hours. When I changed it last time, about 2 weeks ago, I probably should have replaced the crank at that time. That piston had about an hour on it.
The valves were in one piece, the conrod twisted at the gudgeon pin, the underside of the piston broken off and the piston had recently been replaced!
Looks like the result of a circlip not properly installed, I would be pissed if I did that myself but even more pissed if I paid someone to do it

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