Are JGR getting a good ROI on Stewart?

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FARANG 4/4/2012 7:33am
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I think this is kind of embarasing for JGR. Like they missed what the rest of the industry already knew. I hope they put this mistake behind them and stay in the sport with some young, committed, consistent riders. It would be a shame if they left due to an honest mistake so early, even if it was an expensive mistake. I like having them around and wish them luck in the sport.
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Cook441 4/4/2012 7:46am
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FARANG wrote:
I think this is kind of embarasing for JGR. Like they missed what the rest of the industry already knew. I hope they put this mistake...
I think this is kind of embarasing for JGR. Like they missed what the rest of the industry already knew. I hope they put this mistake behind them and stay in the sport with some young, committed, consistent riders. It would be a shame if they left due to an honest mistake so early, even if it was an expensive mistake. I like having them around and wish them luck in the sport.
I feel more embarassed for James talking about back to back championship wins and how it hasn't been done since RC and also calling out MC's record bold...but I think he severely underestimated the competition. Makes sense he has never had to worry about anyone other than himself in reality at least indoors. In his life prior to 2009 if he simply kept it upright his odds of winning were rediculously high 99%

Thats what Gibbs was thinking and counting on-
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SL91 4/4/2012 7:48am
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Was JGR sold a bill of goods?
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The Roooster wrote:
EXCEPT They are not "pointing the finger." All this talk has come from places like this that are filled with 99.9% bullshit and morons talking out...
EXCEPT They are not "pointing the finger."
All this talk has come from places like this that are filled with 99.9% bullshit and morons talking out their ass. The team has never said a bad word about the bikes, it's all come from outside, so your little theory about "people are believing them" is a complete fail.

Did Factory Honda get a "good return on their investment" over the years with:
Davi Milsaps
Andrew Short
Josh Grant
Trey Canard
How about factory Yamaha with Josh Hill?
How about Suzuki with Alessi?
How about Kawasaki with Reed?
KTM with short?
KTM with Alessi?
The list goes on and on and on.

This is a sport where shit happens and it happens at almost every race.
Of the top guys who started this season, there is only one still standing. RV. You can make the argument that the only team getting a good ROI is Kawasaki with RV.
Like Reed said "if this stuff was easy, the computards would be doing it." He was speaking directly to the guys in this thread.
Finally someone that doesn't have their head up their a$$. There isn't even a Honda team left is there?

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Drfletcher 4/4/2012 7:52am
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Barcia on a JGR bike would look good next year.
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Cook441 4/4/2012 7:57am
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The Roooster wrote:
EXCEPT They are not "pointing the finger." All this talk has come from places like this that are filled with 99.9% bullshit and morons talking out...
EXCEPT They are not "pointing the finger."
All this talk has come from places like this that are filled with 99.9% bullshit and morons talking out their ass. The team has never said a bad word about the bikes, it's all come from outside, so your little theory about "people are believing them" is a complete fail.

Did Factory Honda get a "good return on their investment" over the years with:
Davi Milsaps
Andrew Short
Josh Grant
Trey Canard
How about factory Yamaha with Josh Hill?
How about Suzuki with Alessi?
How about Kawasaki with Reed?
KTM with short?
KTM with Alessi?
The list goes on and on and on.

This is a sport where shit happens and it happens at almost every race.
Of the top guys who started this season, there is only one still standing. RV. You can make the argument that the only team getting a good ROI is Kawasaki with RV.
Like Reed said "if this stuff was easy, the computards would be doing it." He was speaking directly to the guys in this thread.
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Finally someone that doesn't have their head up their a$$. There isn't even a Honda team left is there?
great point...I suspect the OP is talking about the fact that JGR could have probably got 3-4 of the guys on your list for the cost associated with James. It's pure speculation but mine nonetheless.
Twostroke Taliban 4/4/2012 7:58am
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Barcia on a JGR bike would look good next year.
Canard on a JGR bike would look good. I don't know how much longer Honda is going to pay him to sit in a cast. No offense to Canard, his mother, or the piles of fans, but you have to admit, he sure is injured a lot. I could totally see Honda putting Barcia on Canard's bike, purely from a business standpoint. He's healthy, had that little wrist deal, but other than that, stays healthy, and let's face it, the kid is on fire.

Besides, I think JGR could use a little Ronnie Mac, and I know ronnie and Trey come as a "package"
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LoudLove 4/4/2012 8:08am
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James brings a tremendous amount of sponsorship money with him. JGR likely had their bases covered even if James didn't win a single race. The lack of results may impact their go-to-market strategy for selling JGR parts, but as for the racing effort, it's probably okay financially.
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Cygnus 4/4/2012 8:08am
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Canard on a JGR bike would look good. I don't know how much longer Honda is going to pay him to sit in a cast. No...
Canard on a JGR bike would look good. I don't know how much longer Honda is going to pay him to sit in a cast. No offense to Canard, his mother, or the piles of fans, but you have to admit, he sure is injured a lot. I could totally see Honda putting Barcia on Canard's bike, purely from a business standpoint. He's healthy, had that little wrist deal, but other than that, stays healthy, and let's face it, the kid is on fire.

Besides, I think JGR could use a little Ronnie Mac, and I know ronnie and Trey come as a "package"
No he wouldnt. Yamahas have always been better bikes for taller riders. When Was the last time a guy shorter than 5'8" did well on a Yamaha? They don't work well for short guys.
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Revolutionized the sport? How so. We have seen pictures of guys scrubbing back in the seventies. Riding a bike at insane speed taking chances and crashing...
Revolutionized the sport? How so. We have seen pictures of guys scrubbing back in the seventies. Riding a bike at insane speed taking chances and crashing. Heard of Magoo? He is an awesome rider whom can attribute his excessive earning to being a pioneer in this sport and it had less to do with his riding ability and more to do with his ethnicity. That being said whether he wins a title or not for JGR he will always be the center of attention. Think how many time JGR/Toyota is mentioned along with Stewart everytime he crashes wins or bows out unexpectedly. They are definately getting their name out there with this rider and let us not forget the personal interest stories that follow James around from outside the industry. The championship would just be the cherry on top.
Riders may well have scrubbed the odd jump in the 70's but few riders scrubbed and wheel tapped their way through the 1980's and '90's.

Whether you like him or not, he brought the next level of skill and intensity to racing which has more or less inspired a new generation.
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twizzler 4/4/2012 8:28am
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JGR brought in Stewart to win Championships. Stewart went to JGR because the thought the team had the $$ and reasources to make the bike to his liking in order to win championships. Both parties are not gettting their ROI nor are their expectations being met.
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jamma10 wrote:
Riders may well have scrubbed the odd jump in the 70's but few riders scrubbed and wheel tapped their way through the 1980's and '90's. Whether...
Riders may well have scrubbed the odd jump in the 70's but few riders scrubbed and wheel tapped their way through the 1980's and '90's.

Whether you like him or not, he brought the next level of skill and intensity to racing which has more or less inspired a new generation.
Exactly. He has changed the game in how you have to ride a dirtbike to win. Aldon Baker with RC changed the fitness requirements, but you can't really argue Bubba's impact on the sport. I'd also say that more people outside the industry know who MC and Bubba are, than anybody else who has ridden a dirtbike, including RC. I'm sure JGR isn't bummed they have that level of exposure, good or bad...
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Halfast816 wrote:
Revolutionized the sport? How so. We have seen pictures of guys scrubbing back in the seventies. Riding a bike at insane speed taking chances and crashing...
Revolutionized the sport? How so. We have seen pictures of guys scrubbing back in the seventies. Riding a bike at insane speed taking chances and crashing. Heard of Magoo? He is an awesome rider whom can attribute his excessive earning to being a pioneer in this sport and it had less to do with his riding ability and more to do with his ethnicity. That being said whether he wins a title or not for JGR he will always be the center of attention. Think how many time JGR/Toyota is mentioned along with Stewart everytime he crashes wins or bows out unexpectedly. They are definately getting their name out there with this rider and let us not forget the personal interest stories that follow James around from outside the industry. The championship would just be the cherry on top.
So people were scrubbing in the 70's, they forgot about it in the 80's and 90's, and he brought it back?
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JSE and JS7 may not be delivering a good ROI for JGR, but Go Pro sure is getting theirs. Lots of POV crash vids as seen...
JSE and JS7 may not be delivering a good ROI for JGR, but Go Pro sure is getting theirs. Lots of POV crash vids as seen from the FMOTP.
Good POV crash videos for sure but how much is he costing Go Pro in cameras? James is going thru cameras faster than a two strock thread gets started on Vital.
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No question they arent getting a good return on the investment so far even though theyve won more races this year than ever before. The real questoin going forward is whether or not both sides can get their stuff together and work on the problems. I think the team has bent over backwards to try and make it work.

As far as the sponsorship side, I think he still brings a lot to the table as far as popularity and recognition, but they're still without a title sponsor and with them losing Muscle Milk so late they had to pay a bit out of pocket this year. They still made the investment in James with the thought that he'd win races and attract someone. I'd say there's more question marks now than last year at this time so things could get rough.
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This is what I would LOVE to see from Stewart. 1. Fizzle out completely next year. No wins. Maybe a nagging injury. 2. Go to NASCAR...
This is what I would LOVE to see from Stewart.

1. Fizzle out completely next year. No wins. Maybe a nagging injury.
2. Go to NASCAR. Run a year of some bullshit K&N regional series for a Gibbs subsidiary team, and do absolutely horrible.
3. Disappear for a year. No racing, No reality T.V.
4. Let the fickle mob known as the internet forget all about him while RV continues to steal the spotlight.
5. Come back in about 2015 at about 31 years old and completely re-revolutionize the sport, purely for the love of MX. Retire at Glen Helen with a #1 plate in his hand, standing next to Ciancurulo who will have just won the Lites outdoor title.

Bonus - Somewhere in the distance, McGrath does a nac-nac on a twostroke while Skip Norfolk looks on with his clear lensed Oakleys.
They racing a national at Glen Helen in the near future? 73 posts in less than two days?? You are clogging the blog(ging) with your trivial babble............................... STFU
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great point...I suspect the OP is talking about the fact that JGR could have probably got 3-4 of the guys on your list for the cost...
great point...I suspect the OP is talking about the fact that JGR could have probably got 3-4 of the guys on your list for the cost associated with James. It's pure speculation but mine nonetheless.
Yes, and they would still have zero wins and not much credibility other than being a team that Joe got for Coy as a hobby. (that's probably not true at all, but I have always suspected that.)

I know in Atlanta James got the biggest cheers and seems to have the biggest fan base....not from real moto fans perhaps, but the masses love him and sponsors love that.

As far as Davi goes, and I live in GA, have met and really do like the guy, don't be fooled....if not for all the injuries he would still be out of the top 5 at just about every race....you all pretty much know that's true whether you admit it or not.

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Hando 4/4/2012 8:32pm
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MX racers in general are a poor ROI for mfgs..lol

how many of these guys actually win, let alone win titles??

the rough and tumble world of MX is a harsh one
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Twostroke Taliban wrote:
Canard on a JGR bike would look good. I don't know how much longer Honda is going to pay him to sit in a cast. No...
Canard on a JGR bike would look good. I don't know how much longer Honda is going to pay him to sit in a cast. No offense to Canard, his mother, or the piles of fans, but you have to admit, he sure is injured a lot. I could totally see Honda putting Barcia on Canard's bike, purely from a business standpoint. He's healthy, had that little wrist deal, but other than that, stays healthy, and let's face it, the kid is on fire.

Besides, I think JGR could use a little Ronnie Mac, and I know ronnie and Trey come as a "package"
Everyone that rides a Honda is injured....not just trey
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I'd say yes, speed and cbs still give him plenty of air time. Especially all the crash highlights
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Twostroke Taliban wrote:
Canard on a JGR bike would look good. I don't know how much longer Honda is going to pay him to sit in a cast. No...
Canard on a JGR bike would look good. I don't know how much longer Honda is going to pay him to sit in a cast. No offense to Canard, his mother, or the piles of fans, but you have to admit, he sure is injured a lot. I could totally see Honda putting Barcia on Canard's bike, purely from a business standpoint. He's healthy, had that little wrist deal, but other than that, stays healthy, and let's face it, the kid is on fire.

Besides, I think JGR could use a little Ronnie Mac, and I know ronnie and Trey come as a "package"
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No he wouldnt. Yamahas have always been better bikes for taller riders. When Was the last time a guy shorter than 5'8" did well on a...
No he wouldnt. Yamahas have always been better bikes for taller riders. When Was the last time a guy shorter than 5'8" did well on a Yamaha? They don't work well for short guys.
I agree, Ricky. Look at Davy Gravy. He seems to make the bike work pretty well. He may be a couple clicks off Stew in terms of raw speed, but how many times has he wadded anywhere nearly as violent as Stew?
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Motocross 4/4/2012 10:05pm
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Let me share a different perspective... My 12 and 10 year old have been watching every race with me this year. They've really become SX fans...
Let me share a different perspective...

My 12 and 10 year old have been watching every race with me this year. They've really become SX fans and I'm happy about that. But you know one comment that comes up each week unsolicited from my guys is???

"Which lap will Stewart crash out on?"

Think about this for a second... 2 young guys that don't read all the stuff on here have made their own observations by watching the races each week. They are not a part of the bantering online, but simply made their own assessments.

So, JS7 is a know rider to them, but he also has a reputaion with them. Good press vs bad press...is any press, no matter what, good for JGR and their sponsors?
My sister in-law and niece have combined for probably 35 minutes of racing this Supercross season. They are the outest of outsiders and they expect James Stewart to crash every race. I've actually been asked, "has that guy crashed yet?" The answer is usually yes.
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Why start another thread that is nothing more than a platform for "fans" to bash on James Stewart?
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Back to the subject on hand... Brett Metcalfe is a solid rider who can get consistent top 10's. James Stewart is a go for broke character, meaning he either wins or crashes out. James probably gets 10x more exposure than Brett does so the sponsors should be happy.

But how happy is Joe Gibbs?
I bet winning means a lot to him and I can see him frustrated forking out money to a sub-division race program and his top rider is not even finishing races. I know it's a business and they make money but he just seems the type to put trophies on par with sponsorship dollars.
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Absolutely not.. When you pay a rider big $$$$ with a NASCAR deal on the backside of his contract you expect BIG things.. On top of...
Absolutely not.. When you pay a rider big $$$$ with a NASCAR deal on the backside of his contract you expect BIG things.. On top of the coin shelled out for his salary you have the countless hours (more $$$) to customize the bike to Stewart's liking, which according to him wasn't even close to the same bike he rode last year. You could've had Brayton for a fraction of JS7s cost and would've got a much better ROI in my opinion..

First mistake was holding a press conference where Stewart states he's gonna bring Gibbs the elusive championship they've been seeking and has his sights set on McGraths win record.. Bold prediction that looks very dim at the moment..
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still has 2 years to make good of that word and is plenty capable.
Stephon.....you really think Stewart has 2 more full years of racing in him....even with doing the outdoors? The way things have been going....I doubt we will see him at Hangtown......and I have my doubts of seeing him on the line come A1 in 2013 as well.

Don't get me wrong.....I would love to see him out there again......I just don't think he has it in him any more. Not sure how much more his ego and body can take.

And before anyone jumps my ass here....let me defend what I said above " I don't think he has it in him any more".......I know , you know , everyone knows....he has a lot of skill.....but the drive to get himself back up towards the front??.....not sure on that one. Another thing.......I'm not sure how much more that poor dudes body can take. This past couple seasons has had to take a serious toll on him health wise.
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e-socrates wrote:
Why start another thread that is nothing more than a platform for "fans" to bash on James Stewart?
Go back & read my OP where I gave James credit for amount of press he gets.
The fact that many chose to jump in and bash on Stewart is out of my control, perhaps a reflection of how many see his ROI to JGR sits..
If you feel the "love for James"Kissing then start your own thread!Kissing Wink
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Sherwood 4/5/2012 10:03am
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Regardless if you like him or not JGR did get one of the best riders in the world that also gets a ton of press. For an MX/Sx team you can't ask for much more.
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Regardless if you like him or not JGR did get one of the best riders in the world that also gets a ton of press. For...
Regardless if you like him or not JGR did get one of the best riders in the world that also gets a ton of press. For an MX/Sx team you can't ask for much more.
True, I bet Yamaha would ask for something,like get off our bike so we can sell some? Every time he crashes the internet goes off on the Yamaturd. Stewart is getting way more press than RV2 and Kawi. They destroyed the field! Bubba has just destroyed a couple of GoPro's.
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Sherwood 4/5/2012 10:34am
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Regardless if you like him or not JGR did get one of the best riders in the world that also gets a ton of press. For...
Regardless if you like him or not JGR did get one of the best riders in the world that also gets a ton of press. For an MX/Sx team you can't ask for much more.
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True, I bet Yamaha would ask for something,like get off our bike so we can sell some? Every time he crashes the internet goes off on...
True, I bet Yamaha would ask for something,like get off our bike so we can sell some? Every time he crashes the internet goes off on the Yamaturd. Stewart is getting way more press than RV2 and Kawi. They destroyed the field! Bubba has just destroyed a couple of GoPro's.
What wins on Sunday sells on Monday just does not really hold true anymore. Honda not winning much the last couple years and their bike sells prove that. (note; I know they race on Saturday now but that's the saying and it applys to this)

You simply don't like Stewart so you'll ignore that fact.

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