800 Cheating, come on !

Spartacus wrote:

I don't have a dog in this fight but I'll play devils advocate for a bit.... Witouth an AMA tech tear down, how can we be...

I don't have a dog in this fight but I'll play devils advocate for a bit....

Witouth an AMA tech tear down, how can we be assured that engines are legal?

Why bother having displacement rules in effect if their are no 'meaningful' check and balances?

Perhaps engines are protested because no one want someone coming back and looking in their motor.

Top three finishers [and a few random riders] should have a tear down in the devils opinion.

Sherwood wrote:

Then you'd have no problem showing us what he's running in his engine?

fader418 wrote:

Mike is the best starter there is period. He could holeshot on any 450....Wait till outdoors when 800 and 801 start 1-2.

mrtuf wrote:

Watson:[i]I want you to watch Alessi out of the gate. Watch his bike to see how fast that thing is.” He goes, “Do you think those...

Watson:I want you to watch Alessi out of the gate. Watch his bike to see how fast that thing is.” He goes, “Do you think those factory Hondas are fast?” I go, “Oh yeah.” He goes, “You probably think they’re one of the best running bikes out there.” I go “For sure.” That dude freaking pulled him so hard

Kenny can we use your quote in an ad, I don't think we could come up with a better qoute. We do Kawasaki's also just in case your interested.

MCR Boss wrote:

Sitting here in my front room relaxing after a long day at the office and I check the Vital forum to see if anything in the...

Sitting here in my front room relaxing after a long day at the office and I check the Vital forum to see if anything in the moto world took place today and I come across this blog of Kenny Watson even mentioning the word cheating when it comes to Mike pulling holeshots.

While I actually think Kenny is a pretty good guy, it is of my opinion that he says things that are at times unprofessional, disrespectful, demeaning and undermining to and about people in the racing world that is damaging to our sport and the people that are part of it.

Kenny is very experienced and knows very well that Mike is the best starter in the business because of his ability to time and jump the gate, his amazing shifting timing and his constant pracicing of starts coupled with the fact that he weighs a hundred and fifty pounds, due to strict diet and a tremendous work ethic.
So to imply in any way that Mike needs to run a cheater is a head scratched to me. Mike is a great guy first and foremost and a top pro motorcycle racer and for the life of me I cannot figure out what motivates people to try and find what's wrong with him, instead of what a huge asset he is to our sport.

On a different note, I as the owner really take exception to public assumptions like these as it really does take a shot at my team and my credibility and integrity. We have taken off the shelf components and built fast and reliable bikes in both classes, pulling multiple holeshots in both classes.

MotoConcepts and Mike Alessi are not cheaters for two reasons, 1) we are ethical, clean and smart 2) we don't have to cheat to succeed, especially when it comes to starts.

Thank you to all of you who believed in us at the start of the season, and thank you to those of you who are starting to believe in us now and giving our team some respect.

Genova

shldBridin wrote:

You can give Mike a 650 big bore and he still wouldn't win a supercross. Once the whoops come around that first lap he is done.

Lowlander wrote:

I find this kind of thing funny. Making assumptions that a bike must be a cheater bike to keep up with the factorys. I can nip...

I find this kind of thing funny. Making assumptions that a bike must be a cheater bike to keep up with the factorys. I can nip down to a tuning shop, get an extra 15 hp by boring it out and modding the bike to the hilt. Doesn't mean that I will out pull a 125 down a flat slick starts straight.

RV pulled the hole shot against factory/works gp 450's at the des nations when the start straight was turned deep and watered which should have been a HP is king start. well it wasn't.
That day RV had the perfect gate jump, gear shift, hp and traction to pull that off. Power is nothing without control.

Mike I think just has the confidence through an amazing amateur career and pro career at getting to the first turn in the top 3. Look at Blake B. He has one of the best bikes on the line and can't buy a start.

Spartacus wrote:

Do you know for a fact that RV bike was legal at MoN? Just pointing out that unless their is a tech inspection tear-down we'll never...

Do you know for a fact that RV bike was legal at MoN?

Just pointing out that unless their is a tech inspection tear-down we'll never know definitively.

And even if you do some people will just_never_believe. [i.e. Obama birth cert freaks]

scott_nz wrote:

MIke, first of all thanks for putting your time and money into running a team to put more riders on the gate, but, along with Tony...

MIke, first of all thanks for putting your time and money into running a team to put more riders on the gate,

but, along with Tony calling out brotocross last week, why do you feel you need to respond to a small radio show, or a small blog, I think this is one area where the MX industry needs to grow up, if you take ball sports which rule the world the shit that gets talked about the players is 10 times worse than is ever said about mx riders or teams, and the managers do not try to out the writers,

if Kenny really believed that you guys where running a big bore he could protest, he hasn't so he must not believe it, I like the fact he can talk honestly to provide an entertaining show, but when people get upset about something small like this it will rob us of a great show, esp when you believe the vital review of it, and not what was said on the show, as we all know the truth is often ignored on here,

I think all the team managers and owners need to stay off here, and let the fans talk the shit they want,

scott_nz wrote:

MIke, first of all thanks for putting your time and money into running a team to put more riders on the gate, but, along with Tony...

MIke, first of all thanks for putting your time and money into running a team to put more riders on the gate,

but, along with Tony calling out brotocross last week, why do you feel you need to respond to a small radio show, or a small blog, I think this is one area where the MX industry needs to grow up, if you take ball sports which rule the world the shit that gets talked about the players is 10 times worse than is ever said about mx riders or teams, and the managers do not try to out the writers,

if Kenny really believed that you guys where running a big bore he could protest, he hasn't so he must not believe it, I like the fact he can talk honestly to provide an entertaining show, but when people get upset about something small like this it will rob us of a great show, esp when you believe the vital review of it, and not what was said on the show, as we all know the truth is often ignored on here,

I think all the team managers and owners need to stay off here, and let the fans talk the shit they want,

wawazat wrote:

Guess you don't follow stick and ball sports at all. If someone gets called out for being a cheater, it does get a response from that...

Guess you don't follow stick and ball sports at all. If someone gets called out for being a cheater, it does get a response from that players manager, owner, team, whoever. Skip Bayless is always on some athletes twitter getting smack talked.

mx5471 wrote:

Alessi always cheated, in the Ams. Even with the super Honda support team with them everywhere. I was standing right there when they DQ'd him at...

Alessi always cheated, in the Ams. Even with the super Honda support team with them everywhere. I was standing right there when they DQ'd him at Loretta's for the air box filter thing. They tried to say the mechanics, (factory Honda mechanics with a huge trailer just to service Alessi , thought it was legal). But it doesn't matter now. He can can cheat all he wants, and he's not winning anything in Pro racing. Maybe the Am cheating didn't do him any good . But he doesn't have it. I don't know his monetary situation, but at this point,he's never racing for a championship. Maybe he gets sponsor endorsements that keeps him riding for the money, but he will never be a contender indoors or outdoors for a championship. There are way faster guys running in lites that will blow him away in the 450's when they move up. Barcia will put him in the hospital. Then later Barcia will cry and say he's sorry and laugh. He is like a famous privateer now. I just hope he hangs on and doesn't get hurt, because in a few years, no one will ever remember who he is. I'm getting sick of this sport on a professional level. A fast bike can't make you win, but a slow bike can make you lose. I know that a lot of improvements on the bikes come from racing, but I would rather see everyone on a stock bike to even the field. What other sport tells competitors to not compete when they are behind? If lappers are a problem, why are they there? Let the top 5 guys run against each other. Many aspects of this sport just don't make sense. I got off topic here but 2 facts to end. Alessi ,in my opinion will never win a championship. And secondly, what Barcia did, he did on purpose, and it bit him in the ass. He's the top rider, he can get around the lappers with out a problem. He passes faster riders without a problem. And when you are that far ahead, and wanting to keep going, why look back? It was a message that I'm big ,you are small. I have no respect for him at all. This sport needs to make a lot of changes.

Dirtysmile56 wrote:

Don't they only tear down "Winners " bikes for suspected cheating?

jake64 wrote:

I thought it was steve matthes that said he mite be cheating not kenny buti could be wrong.