Husky to build 300 DI smoker 013

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Edited Date/Time 3/20/2012 12:17pm
Had a friend send me this off the Husky forum site....everything in italics is a cut and paste. sounds to be an interesting bike.



...This is a Quote from Moto Magazine here in the UK that I purchased as it had a article on the Husqvarna factory.

Realistically it takes three or four years to develop and launch brand new motorcycles. But at the Cologne bike show we will show our first new bike, a 300cc with direct injection and electric starting, By 2014 every bike will be new and best in class.
Extreme enduro rider German Andreas Letinbichler will debut a prototype of the new 300 smoker in competition this year.

I dont know if this is old or new news to some of you! but I thought it may be of some interest to some members here
I personally think its just Walt (wallybean) getting carried away with his 167 and has now stuffed a huge stroker kit in there
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3/17/2012 10:32pm
Interesting.

Has 2-stroke direct injection technology opened the door for the return of Husky to competiveness?
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3/18/2012 6:40am
Husky is competitive
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3/18/2012 10:15am
Husky is competitive
Agreed,Just not racing sx or Mx nationals.
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3/18/2012 10:43am
somebody needs to tell husky that two strokes are dead, and there are never going to be back and to take off the tin foil hat. (sarcasm font)

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3/18/2012 11:04am
roost251 wrote:
somebody needs to tell husky that two strokes are dead, and there are never going to be back and to take off the tin foil hat...
somebody needs to tell husky that two strokes are dead, and there are never going to be back and to take off the tin foil hat. (sarcasm font)
I don't know.

A 300cc 2-sroke that is subsctancially lighter and can run with a 450 4-stroke straight up would be a game changer.
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3/18/2012 12:25pm
What next?

Upside down forks where the sliders attach to the triple clamps?
Dual Shocks?
Aluminum gas tanks?

Everything old is new again.
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3/18/2012 8:24pm
Does anyone know is it "Orbital" style D.I. with an air compressor or "Ficht" (E-Tec) style with a ram injector.

Pluses & minuses to both, I would think the E-Tec style (Owned by BRP) might be the simplest, they both require a reasonable charging system compared to most dirt bikes.
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3/18/2012 10:00pm Edited Date/Time 3/18/2012 10:02pm
Video on direct injection EFI 2-stroke technology;

FUEL INJECTED TWO-STROKE: NOT JUST EFI, BUT DIRECT INJECTION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-F_IndOm5I

The video advertises more power, less emmissions, light weight, etc over a conventional 2-stroke.
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3/18/2012 10:35pm
This just might be a stupid question concerning linkage systems but has anyone noticed that in car racing you have an upper and lower control arm with a shock attached, just like a swing arm with a shock attached. Apparently the car guys can make this work but a dirt bike has to have a linkage to produce the change in "rate"? Again maybe a stupid question but what the hell.
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3/19/2012 12:03am
Paul333 wrote:
Video on direct injection EFI 2-stroke technology; FUEL INJECTED TWO-STROKE: NOT JUST EFI, BUT DIRECT INJECTION http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-F_IndOm5I The video advertises more power, less emmissions, light weight...
Video on direct injection EFI 2-stroke technology;

FUEL INJECTED TWO-STROKE: NOT JUST EFI, BUT DIRECT INJECTION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-F_IndOm5I

The video advertises more power, less emmissions, light weight, etc over a conventional 2-stroke.
Wicked. Would been nice to seem them test it on a 125 or 250 though
3/19/2012 8:03am Edited Date/Time 3/19/2012 8:03am
Rooster wrote:
What next?

Upside down forks where the sliders attach to the triple clamps?
Dual Shocks?
Aluminum gas tanks?

Everything old is new again.
Four stroke technology is nearly a half century older than two-stroke technology, at least on the planet I am from.

Which planet are you from, and are the women easy?
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3/19/2012 9:19am
Mr. G wrote:
This just might be a stupid question concerning linkage systems but has anyone noticed that in car racing you have an upper and lower control arm...
This just might be a stupid question concerning linkage systems but has anyone noticed that in car racing you have an upper and lower control arm with a shock attached, just like a swing arm with a shock attached. Apparently the car guys can make this work but a dirt bike has to have a linkage to produce the change in "rate"? Again maybe a stupid question but what the hell.
ever seen a car go through a set of dirtwerks whoops?

They pack up something aweful and rebound dampening is all off.
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3/19/2012 9:35am
Rooster wrote:
What next?

Upside down forks where the sliders attach to the triple clamps?
Dual Shocks?
Aluminum gas tanks?

Everything old is new again.
Not sure about the forks and shocks, but the new Zooks come with an aluminum tank already..Whistling
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3/19/2012 10:20am
Mr. G wrote:
This just might be a stupid question concerning linkage systems but has anyone noticed that in car racing you have an upper and lower control arm...
This just might be a stupid question concerning linkage systems but has anyone noticed that in car racing you have an upper and lower control arm with a shock attached, just like a swing arm with a shock attached. Apparently the car guys can make this work but a dirt bike has to have a linkage to produce the change in "rate"? Again maybe a stupid question but what the hell.
JustMX wrote:
ever seen a car go through a set of dirtwerks whoops?

They pack up something aweful and rebound dampening is all off.
That is both funny and a good point.
OK I have another question; ever notice how much sag and rebound damping the off road trucks run? I wonder if that would work on a bike? 12" of sag and enough rebound damping to keep even James from going over the bars! Probably unridable....
3/19/2012 10:38am
So how long until KTM releases their version??
3/19/2012 10:59am
I can tell you first hand that the Husky DI is for real. And very promising.

I didnt realize that this news had gone public, but this bike has been finished for some time now and was supposed to be a 2012 model but for some reason it was put on the shelf.

Now it looks like it will be developed for another year and finally released.

From what Ive seen and heard, this bike WILL be a game changer.
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3/19/2012 11:06am
Does DI make them more ridable / provide better response?
3/19/2012 11:19am
mark_swart wrote:
Does DI make them more ridable / provide better response?
Yes. Injectors by nature create a better air/fuel mixture thus making it more combustible. Injection = more power.
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3/19/2012 11:29am
I can tell you first hand that the Husky DI is for real. And very promising. I didnt realize that this news had gone public, but...
I can tell you first hand that the Husky DI is for real. And very promising.

I didnt realize that this news had gone public, but this bike has been finished for some time now and was supposed to be a 2012 model but for some reason it was put on the shelf.

Now it looks like it will be developed for another year and finally released.

From what Ive seen and heard, this bike WILL be a game changer.
I am betting that it wasn't supposed to be public. or at least yet?

like to see how much of a "game changer" it will be.
3/19/2012 11:46am
I can tell you first hand that the Husky DI is for real. And very promising. I didnt realize that this news had gone public, but...
I can tell you first hand that the Husky DI is for real. And very promising.

I didnt realize that this news had gone public, but this bike has been finished for some time now and was supposed to be a 2012 model but for some reason it was put on the shelf.

Now it looks like it will be developed for another year and finally released.

From what Ive seen and heard, this bike WILL be a game changer.
wardy wrote:
I am betting that it wasn't supposed to be public. or at least yet? like to see how much of a "game changer" it will be...
I am betting that it wasn't supposed to be public. or at least yet?

like to see how much of a "game changer" it will be.
I was told that this bike performed very well. And out of complete left field considering nobody in the public knew it was in the works. All of us thought it would be KTM that would be the first.

People at the factory were very enthusiastic about this bike and then the higher-ups put it on the shelf inexplicably. From the looks of what you posted, it looks like the project got the green light again.

Good deal. Because the WR's are impossible to jet right. Different carbs are essential.
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3/19/2012 3:57pm
not sure on there design but iv seen something with a 4 stroke lower end and no transfer ports. so yes big gains no valves no ports = huge reliability
3/19/2012 4:41pm
Joe Bruce wrote:
not sure on there design but iv seen something with a 4 stroke lower end and no transfer ports. so yes big gains no valves no...
not sure on there design but iv seen something with a 4 stroke lower end and no transfer ports. so yes big gains no valves no ports = huge reliability
Dont mean to derail the thread but i got to ask how much did that large mouth bass weigh in you avatar? It looks to be a nice 8-10lber, very solid fish.
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3/19/2012 4:56pm
The big deal about DI (at least in snowmobiles) is that it lets bikes meet the same emissions standards that 4 strokes can meet..its allowed 2 strokes to still live a healthy life in the snowobile world.

Now if the husky is a well done DI (i'm sure it is with BMW money and talent backing it) then it might just mean the return of 2 strokes to the trail bike...

So all to say they ride better, no jetting woes, and most important - NO SMOKE!
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3/19/2012 7:21pm
Sebastian Guillaume had said last year that Husqvarna were building him an all new 300, this must be it. Can't wait.
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3/19/2012 7:32pm
off road is already seen the return of 2 strokes. over 60% of the sign ups at the first national enduro were smokers. So this DI project with Husky will be just the extra push needed to bring out the other projects out there.

I think we may see different types of bikes and more specifiticity in the types of racing. 4t in mx and 2t in the woods. not a bad deal at all.
3/19/2012 8:12pm
Mr. G wrote:
This just might be a stupid question concerning linkage systems but has anyone noticed that in car racing you have an upper and lower control arm...
This just might be a stupid question concerning linkage systems but has anyone noticed that in car racing you have an upper and lower control arm with a shock attached, just like a swing arm with a shock attached. Apparently the car guys can make this work but a dirt bike has to have a linkage to produce the change in "rate"? Again maybe a stupid question but what the hell.
The short answer is that a car has a driveshaft and a bike has a drive chain.
The 4-link of the racing car and the trailing arm of a bike have the same purpose: anti-squat. If you watch a bike accelerating out of the starting gate, you can see that the bike stays relatively level and the rear suspension does not compress. This is due to the angle of the swingarm to the ground and the angle of the chain to the swingarm.The rear suspension does not compress even though it carries the entire weight of bike and rider.
The rear axle(s) of a car wants to twist backwards as the wheels rotate forward (remember the traction bars of the old musclecars). The four link reacts to the torque by pushing the axle downwards relative to the chassis.

Four link rear suspensions for bikes have been tried in the past (try some googling) . One problem is maintaining the correct amount of lateral flex with four arms and 8 pivot points. (the bump is vertical while the bike leans at 45 degrees.

The four link setup can be analyzed as a simple swing arm. The net result of the four link motion is the same as a simple arc. This has been used to create a virtual swingarm pivot centred at the countershaft sprocket thus eliminating chain slack.
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3/19/2012 8:15pm
Very through and concise. I figured that a Fire Sprinkler Contractor from OC wasn't going to notice what all others missed for how many decades.
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3/19/2012 8:24pm
nickm wrote:
The big deal about DI (at least in snowmobiles) is that it lets bikes meet the same emissions standards that 4 strokes can meet..its allowed 2...
The big deal about DI (at least in snowmobiles) is that it lets bikes meet the same emissions standards that 4 strokes can meet..its allowed 2 strokes to still live a healthy life in the snowobile world.

Now if the husky is a well done DI (i'm sure it is with BMW money and talent backing it) then it might just mean the return of 2 strokes to the trail bike...

So all to say they ride better, no jetting woes, and most important - NO SMOKE!
I don't see why this is even a reason. Even in nearly Communist California you are allowed to ride 2 strokes offroad (red sticker). There are times of years that you can't ride in the desert but realistically it is 110 degrees and you wouldn't want to.
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3/19/2012 8:59pm
I don't agree. State parks being off limits for red stickers is no fun (I am 1/2 hour away from one) Would mean I am idled for a few months out of the year or have to drive trailer lots further. Green sticker is better (and I usually don't mind the heat -- within reason ;-) ).

Also, if DI is as clean as they say, then a Dual Sport Husky 300 might be in the future. If that was avail today I would go to a dealer and pick it up. Also, with DI a 2 gallon tank may be equivalent to a 3 gallon on my current ride, more range would be nice.

If they can make it work and be reliable and not weigh 20+ lbs.....

Believe it when I see it.
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3/19/2012 10:04pm
I don't agree. State parks being off limits for red stickers is no fun (I am 1/2 hour away from one) Would mean I am idled...
I don't agree. State parks being off limits for red stickers is no fun (I am 1/2 hour away from one) Would mean I am idled for a few months out of the year or have to drive trailer lots further. Green sticker is better (and I usually don't mind the heat -- within reason ;-) ).

Also, if DI is as clean as they say, then a Dual Sport Husky 300 might be in the future. If that was avail today I would go to a dealer and pick it up. Also, with DI a 2 gallon tank may be equivalent to a 3 gallon on my current ride, more range would be nice.

If they can make it work and be reliable and not weigh 20+ lbs.....

Believe it when I see it.
I agree that it would be nice but then I read that it has e start etc. Then my internal reality meter turms on and I see a 2 stroke that is being changed into something that weighs a few pounds less than a 4 stroke has a bunch of electronics that you can't work on and those parts raise the price to that of a current 4 stroke. The beauty of the two stroke it's light weight and low cost and ease of maintanence. If you make it heavy and complicated and expensive and, you might as well by a 4 stroke they are pretty good you know.

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