is Suzuki going under???

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GM, like other American automotive manufacturers, have proven themselves a drain on the planet. Either it's the cycle of every few years the government has to...
GM, like other American automotive manufacturers, have proven themselves a drain on the planet. Either it's the cycle of every few years the government has to jump in to bail their asses out of making shit product and having shit business plans, or they're jumping in and fucking up other product (like Ford did to Volvo).
Its amazing how stupid people can be. Where do you get your stupid bullshit?
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It's called the Dumbgeon. Why duplicate the effort?
Man, are you a mind-reader, or what? Smile
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2/7/2012 9:09am Edited Date/Time 2/7/2012 9:10am
jtomasik wrote:
It's called the Dumbgeon. Why duplicate the effort?
GuyB wrote:
Man, are you a mind-reader, or what? Smile
No, but I slept in....oh, I probably shouldn't post her name.
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Reading the financial summary it sounds like the company is pretty scared about the financial turmoil in Europe and are battening down the hatches, overall. Their automobile sales took a beating everywhere including in emerging markets and that would scare the shit out of me since it's the lions share of their sales revenue.

How did the GM cash infusion from the feds effect them?
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OMG ! Pretty sure Suzuki are fine AND NOT GOING UNDER - they are bigger than MX sales alone and globally a lot bigger than their...
OMG !

Pretty sure Suzuki are fine AND NOT GOING UNDER - they are bigger than MX sales alone and globally a lot bigger than their sales or lack of sales in the U.S (may be hard for some U.S citizens to believe but true none the less) if in fact they are suffering at all.

UK for example, Suzuki are very popular - would like to bet it's the same in most countries. Road and off road.

Moto GP is a tough nut for any manufacturer to stay at the top in - other track racing however, Suzuki are very popular and successful - look at the titles acquired nationally and internationally.
They pulled out of WSBK, WSS, and BSB...they've given everything to either relentless TAS, yoshimura, or crescent in their respective series.

They are going down, badly.
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I keep heating from people that Suzuki of Americas pretty much broke. You csnt find RMZ's and most banks wont give you a loan to buy any of the cars they make. Now that dosen't mean with sales elsewhere that they'll go under but I'm guessing a change in the business plan for America.
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Reading the financial summary it sounds like the company is pretty scared about the financial turmoil in Europe and are battening down the hatches, overall. Their...
Reading the financial summary it sounds like the company is pretty scared about the financial turmoil in Europe and are battening down the hatches, overall. Their automobile sales took a beating everywhere including in emerging markets and that would scare the shit out of me since it's the lions share of their sales revenue.

How did the GM cash infusion from the feds effect them?
If I remember correct they had a deal with GM to produce for them. That was canned.
2/7/2012 10:10am
I think what people are failing to realize is that Suzuki's automotive arm has nothing to do with their recreational vehicle (motorcycle) arm. They DO NOT sell Suzuki Swifts to fund their RMZ development. It's 2 separate entities.
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I think what people are failing to realize is that Suzuki's automotive arm has nothing to do with their recreational vehicle (motorcycle) arm. They DO NOT...
I think what people are failing to realize is that Suzuki's automotive arm has nothing to do with their recreational vehicle (motorcycle) arm. They DO NOT sell Suzuki Swifts to fund their RMZ development. It's 2 separate entities.
What do they all fall under in America?
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I think what people are failing to realize is that Suzuki's automotive arm has nothing to do with their recreational vehicle (motorcycle) arm. They DO NOT...
I think what people are failing to realize is that Suzuki's automotive arm has nothing to do with their recreational vehicle (motorcycle) arm. They DO NOT sell Suzuki Swifts to fund their RMZ development. It's 2 separate entities.
There is only one bottom line, bro.
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jtomasik wrote:
GM, like other American automotive manufacturers, have proven themselves a drain on the planet. Either it's the cycle of every few years the government has to...
GM, like other American automotive manufacturers, have proven themselves a drain on the planet. Either it's the cycle of every few years the government has to jump in to bail their asses out of making shit product and having shit business plans, or they're jumping in and fucking up other product (like Ford did to Volvo).
Madmax31 wrote:
Its amazing how stupid people can be. Where do you get your stupid bullshit?
Just because you don't understand the truth, it doesn't mean it's wrong or stupid.

Educate yourself.
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I think what people are failing to realize is that Suzuki's automotive arm has nothing to do with their recreational vehicle (motorcycle) arm. They DO NOT...
I think what people are failing to realize is that Suzuki's automotive arm has nothing to do with their recreational vehicle (motorcycle) arm. They DO NOT sell Suzuki Swifts to fund their RMZ development. It's 2 separate entities.
No, they aren't. Same company.

Obviously they'd probably be viewed internally as separate business units (like Wal-Mart and Sam's Club) but they are of the same company.
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Build what people want.

See how easy that was?

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That's excellent.... A lazer guided razor blade...
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Thank GM's bankruptcy for most of Suzuki's problems.
No way. GM has nothing to do with the fact that the RM is the lowest seller of the bunch. That's what it is. They just...
No way. GM has nothing to do with the fact that the RM is the lowest seller of the bunch. That's what it is. They just don't sell any RMs.
jtomasik wrote:
GM, like other American automotive manufacturers, have proven themselves a drain on the planet. Either it's the cycle of every few years the government has to...
GM, like other American automotive manufacturers, have proven themselves a drain on the planet. Either it's the cycle of every few years the government has to jump in to bail their asses out of making shit product and having shit business plans, or they're jumping in and fucking up other product (like Ford did to Volvo).
Every few years? GM was "bailed out" in 2008, but I'm not aware of a real big past history they have of receiving bailouts. Chrysler has twice, but it'd be a comical stretch to call their help "every few years".
2/7/2012 1:11pm
They plan on bringing back their 2 strokes. With aluminum frames. So I dont expect them to pull out of the dirtbike manufacturing business anytime soon.

All the other stuff you see (pulling out of MotoGP and WSBK) are not big deals. Suzuki has a very good selling streetbike. It doesnt need to be marketed through racing at the moment. Suzukis motorcycle sales worldwide are some of the best. And the company is in fine shape financially since they started to be more frugal this past several years. Outsourcing the MX team and pulling out of road racing is just more of the same smart business tactics that have already netted them good results. Nothing to worry about folks.
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No way. GM has nothing to do with the fact that the RM is the lowest seller of the bunch. That's what it is. They just...
No way. GM has nothing to do with the fact that the RM is the lowest seller of the bunch. That's what it is. They just don't sell any RMs.
jtomasik wrote:
GM, like other American automotive manufacturers, have proven themselves a drain on the planet. Either it's the cycle of every few years the government has to...
GM, like other American automotive manufacturers, have proven themselves a drain on the planet. Either it's the cycle of every few years the government has to jump in to bail their asses out of making shit product and having shit business plans, or they're jumping in and fucking up other product (like Ford did to Volvo).
APLMAN99 wrote:
Every few years? GM was "bailed out" in 2008, but I'm not aware of a real big past history they have of receiving bailouts. Chrysler has...
Every few years? GM was "bailed out" in 2008, but I'm not aware of a real big past history they have of receiving bailouts. Chrysler has twice, but it'd be a comical stretch to call their help "every few years".
or like Daimler did to Chrysler? that was a cash drain deal. obviously this person is not in the auto industry because the american products are every bit as good as foreign. And he also must not have a very long grasp on their financial situations. as business cycles go they are some of the 20th centuries biggest winners. competitive advantages come and go.
2/7/2012 1:21pm
I think what people are failing to realize is that Suzuki's automotive arm has nothing to do with their recreational vehicle (motorcycle) arm. They DO NOT...
I think what people are failing to realize is that Suzuki's automotive arm has nothing to do with their recreational vehicle (motorcycle) arm. They DO NOT sell Suzuki Swifts to fund their RMZ development. It's 2 separate entities.
lucero10x wrote:
There is only one bottom line, bro.
That could not be farther from the truth.
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I think they had some back luck/timing also regarding the release of their 08 EFI 450 and the US economy taking a dump at the same time.

I waited for an 08....but they got held off so long I bought a leftover 07 RMZ 450. Then the new one came out late Spring and had the kickstarter/case issue. By the time they got it fixed nobody was buying anything....especially a bike they heard had an issue. Despite getting things sorted out and it being an incredible bike they've sold very few over the last 4 years.

There used to be more yellow than anything at the races. Awesome amateur support, awesome contigency, the Tony D Schools, different deals like their Good Scholar Program and the RM Cup.

I keep hearing these 2 stroke rumors and I hope it's true. Just waiting confirmation from somewhere besides an internet forum....

I'll put a deposit down on a new RM 125 right away!
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I think what people are failing to realize is that Suzuki's automotive arm has nothing to do with their recreational vehicle (motorcycle) arm. They DO NOT...
I think what people are failing to realize is that Suzuki's automotive arm has nothing to do with their recreational vehicle (motorcycle) arm. They DO NOT sell Suzuki Swifts to fund their RMZ development. It's 2 separate entities.
lucero10x wrote:
There is only one bottom line, bro.
That could not be farther from the truth.
Enlighten us, please.
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I think what people are failing to realize is that Suzuki's automotive arm has nothing to do with their recreational vehicle (motorcycle) arm. They DO NOT...
I think what people are failing to realize is that Suzuki's automotive arm has nothing to do with their recreational vehicle (motorcycle) arm. They DO NOT sell Suzuki Swifts to fund their RMZ development. It's 2 separate entities.
lucero10x wrote:
There is only one bottom line, bro.
That could not be farther from the truth.
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2/7/2012 2:44pm Edited Date/Time 2/7/2012 2:45pm
Sherwood wrote:
I keep heating from people that Suzuki of Americas pretty much broke. You csnt find RMZ's and most banks wont give you a loan to buy...
I keep heating from people that Suzuki of Americas pretty much broke. You csnt find RMZ's and most banks wont give you a loan to buy any of the cars they make. Now that dosen't mean with sales elsewhere that they'll go under but I'm guessing a change in the business plan for America.
Wrong!
My brother's a Kaw/Suz/Polaris dealer here in Southern IN.
He's sold 4-2012 RMZ 250's and one 2012 450 since last fall.
As we speak, he has a 2012 450 on the floor, and 5-250's coming in March, one of which is sold to my Son.

Dealers just need to order them.
And, Suzuki has 0% financing for 60 months, plus $500 rebate on the 250 and $750 on the 450.

The last couple years they've been focused on cleaning out leftover models.
Now they're only producing what the dealers want and trying not to over produce, like all the big 4 did a few years ago.
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America is a write off. They are doing great outside of the good 'ol USA and that's straight from the horses mouth
2/7/2012 4:52pm
lucero10x wrote:
There is only one bottom line, bro.
That could not be farther from the truth.
APLMAN99 wrote:
Yes, I am well aware they are the same company, genius. So is everyone else. But, it is a DIFFERENT pot of money.

If the motorcycle side of the house is going under, the automotive side is not going to bail them out. That is not how it works.

Same goes for Honda.
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Sherwood wrote:
I keep heating from people that Suzuki of Americas pretty much broke. You csnt find RMZ's and most banks wont give you a loan to buy...
I keep heating from people that Suzuki of Americas pretty much broke. You csnt find RMZ's and most banks wont give you a loan to buy any of the cars they make. Now that dosen't mean with sales elsewhere that they'll go under but I'm guessing a change in the business plan for America.
Indy mxer wrote:
Wrong! My brother's a Kaw/Suz/Polaris dealer here in Southern IN. He's sold 4-2012 RMZ 250's and one 2012 450 since last fall. As we speak, he...
Wrong!
My brother's a Kaw/Suz/Polaris dealer here in Southern IN.
He's sold 4-2012 RMZ 250's and one 2012 450 since last fall.
As we speak, he has a 2012 450 on the floor, and 5-250's coming in March, one of which is sold to my Son.

Dealers just need to order them.
And, Suzuki has 0% financing for 60 months, plus $500 rebate on the 250 and $750 on the 450.

The last couple years they've been focused on cleaning out leftover models.
Now they're only producing what the dealers want and trying not to over produce, like all the big 4 did a few years ago.
And the rmz s are great bikes!
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That could not be farther from the truth.
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Yes, I am well aware they are the same company, genius. So is everyone else. But, it is a DIFFERENT pot of money. If the motorcycle...
Yes, I am well aware they are the same company, genius. So is everyone else. But, it is a DIFFERENT pot of money.

If the motorcycle side of the house is going under, the automotive side is not going to bail them out. That is not how it works.

Same goes for Honda.
That happens in business all the time. One segment goes through a decline and is "subsidized" by another segment for a time. Obviously that probably wouldn't go on forever, but the financials provided by the company definitely show that there is one "pot of money", even if different business units are accounted for.

Your assertation that Suzuki autos have absolutely nothing to do with Suzuki motorcycles is obviously false, as the company's own documentation shows.
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And obviously Suzuki has shown a willingness to "subsidize" a motorcycle segment that's lost money for quite some time............

"For the first time in nearly three years, Suzuki’s motorcycle division has posted a profit…or, the last time Suzuki made money selling motorcycles was Q2 2008 (the same timeframe that Bill Gates stepped down from his daily duties at Microsoft).
Making ¥300 million ($3.8 million) last quarter in operating income, Suzuki showed a mark improvement over its ¥1.8 billion ($22.9 million) loss it reported during the same time period last year. That turnaround of fortunes came as Suzuki posted ¥75.4 billion ($961.5 million) in revenue from motorcycle sales, up 8% over 2010′s ¥69.8 billion ($890 million).
While Suzuki’s financial fortunes are on the turnaround, the companies actual unit sales continue to plummet. Selling 642,000 motorcycles this past quarter (yes, twice as much as Harley-Davidson sells worldwide in a year), Suzuki’s motorcycle unit sales are down 21% as the company sold 813,000 motorcycles in Q2 2010.
This loss in sales volumes was primarily due to the massive sales decreases in China (-50% / 215,000 units), though Suzuki posted positive unit sales in in Japan (+10% / 20,000 units), Africa (+34% / 31,000 units), and Central & South America (+33% / 48,000 units). Also making the rostrum of negative sales trends were the big bike markets of the North America (-12% / 15,000 units) and Europe (-32% / 33,000)."

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/suzuki-sales-q2-2011/
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They plan on bringing back their 2 strokes. With aluminum frames. So I dont expect them to pull out of the dirtbike manufacturing business anytime soon...
They plan on bringing back their 2 strokes. With aluminum frames. So I dont expect them to pull out of the dirtbike manufacturing business anytime soon.

All the other stuff you see (pulling out of MotoGP and WSBK) are not big deals. Suzuki has a very good selling streetbike. It doesnt need to be marketed through racing at the moment. Suzukis motorcycle sales worldwide are some of the best. And the company is in fine shape financially since they started to be more frugal this past several years. Outsourcing the MX team and pulling out of road racing is just more of the same smart business tactics that have already netted them good results. Nothing to worry about folks.
proof?

ive heard this a few times but no solid evidence other than hearsay
2/7/2012 8:35pm
They plan on bringing back their 2 strokes. With aluminum frames. So I dont expect them to pull out of the dirtbike manufacturing business anytime soon...
They plan on bringing back their 2 strokes. With aluminum frames. So I dont expect them to pull out of the dirtbike manufacturing business anytime soon.

All the other stuff you see (pulling out of MotoGP and WSBK) are not big deals. Suzuki has a very good selling streetbike. It doesnt need to be marketed through racing at the moment. Suzukis motorcycle sales worldwide are some of the best. And the company is in fine shape financially since they started to be more frugal this past several years. Outsourcing the MX team and pulling out of road racing is just more of the same smart business tactics that have already netted them good results. Nothing to worry about folks.
Hando wrote:
proof?

ive heard this a few times but no solid evidence other than hearsay
Yes, youre right, it has been a popular forum board rumor for some time now.

I cant provide any REAL proof. This is a message board.

All I can tell you is that they are moving into the testing phases soon. I think just endurance testing. Standard stuff. I know this because I spoke to the actual rider.

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