is Suzuki going under???

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Edited Date/Time 2/10/2012 8:19am
Does anyone know what the future holds for them?
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2/6/2012 5:34pm
VW bought about 20% of thier stock a couple of years ago. What that means for them I'm not sure. They are hurting and its getting difficult to identify what they have thats current in their line. They closed the race shops and farmed that out to Yosh and have offically stopped all offroad racing and from what I understand don't plan to go back either with racing or any sort of production bikes. If it were not for busa's and gixers they would be on life support.
2/6/2012 5:36pm
I wouldn't say going under. As far as your RMZ and MX you should probably ask your dealer not people with opinions lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki

Bottom line they're hard into cars.
"2012: In January, the company said it would build a new engine factory as the third factory in Indonesia to fulfill the fast-growing Southeast Asian market. On a 1.3 million square-metre site in an industrial park outside Jakarta, Suzuki has spent 10 billion yen and might be would reach 30 billion yen."
2/6/2012 5:42pm
dcg141 wrote:
VW bought about 20% of thier stock a couple of years ago. What that means for them I'm not sure. They are hurting and its getting...
VW bought about 20% of thier stock a couple of years ago. What that means for them I'm not sure. They are hurting and its getting difficult to identify what they have thats current in their line. They closed the race shops and farmed that out to Yosh and have offically stopped all offroad racing and from what I understand don't plan to go back either with racing or any sort of production bikes. If it were not for busa's and gixers they would be on life support.
I wouldn't say that about the GSXRs. They didn't even import 2010 models to the states. Maybe it was '11s. One of those years do not even exist in the States.


Remember about 7 years ago when they joined with Kawasaki? It was the year they made that pot-metal piece of shit RMZ/KXF 250F

I could see that happening again.

They pulled out of MotoGP too. Going under? Probably not. Motorcycles ceasing production? Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Like I said, Suzuki is the KTM of the 90s. If you ask me, KTM is in the "big 4" and Suzuki is #5, on the outside, looking in.
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2/6/2012 6:15pm
Thank GM's bankruptcy for most of Suzuki's problems.

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2/6/2012 6:19pm
sandtl wrote:
Thank GM's bankruptcy for most of Suzuki's problems.
No way. GM has nothing to do with the fact that the RM is the lowest seller of the bunch. That's what it is. They just don't sell any RMs.
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2/6/2012 6:32pm Edited Date/Time 2/6/2012 6:34pm
dcg141 wrote:
VW bought about 20% of thier stock a couple of years ago. What that means for them I'm not sure. They are hurting and its getting...
VW bought about 20% of thier stock a couple of years ago. What that means for them I'm not sure. They are hurting and its getting difficult to identify what they have thats current in their line. They closed the race shops and farmed that out to Yosh and have offically stopped all offroad racing and from what I understand don't plan to go back either with racing or any sort of production bikes. If it were not for busa's and gixers they would be on life support.
I wouldn't say that about the GSXRs. They didn't even import 2010 models to the states. Maybe it was '11s. One of those years do not...
I wouldn't say that about the GSXRs. They didn't even import 2010 models to the states. Maybe it was '11s. One of those years do not even exist in the States.


Remember about 7 years ago when they joined with Kawasaki? It was the year they made that pot-metal piece of shit RMZ/KXF 250F

I could see that happening again.

They pulled out of MotoGP too. Going under? Probably not. Motorcycles ceasing production? Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Like I said, Suzuki is the KTM of the 90s. If you ask me, KTM is in the "big 4" and Suzuki is #5, on the outside, looking in.
Sounds like motorcycle sales have been their bright spot for FY2011. Especially North America.

http://www.noodls.com/viewNoodl/13003038/suzuki-motor-corporation/suzuk…-
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2/6/2012 7:40pm
sandtl wrote:
Thank GM's bankruptcy for most of Suzuki's problems.
No way. GM has nothing to do with the fact that the RM is the lowest seller of the bunch. That's what it is. They just...
No way. GM has nothing to do with the fact that the RM is the lowest seller of the bunch. That's what it is. They just don't sell any RMs.
Sandtl is right the company lost about 200m when GM reorganized. That was awhile back though. I hope they do keep making bikes though. I have three vintage rms.
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2/6/2012 8:05pm
"Remember about 7 years ago when they joined with Kawasaki? It was the year they made that pot-metal piece of shit RMZ/KXF 250F"

That quality piece of equipment was compliments of Kawasaki's engineering and production. That was one of several models shared by the two manufacturers during their "alliance", as they chose to refer to it. Yes, that 2004 model KX250F/RMZ250 was something else, wasn't it. I loved how the management would simply lie about issues with those things. If everyone only knew.........
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2/6/2012 8:25pm
Suzuki is just fine. They are smart. They learned with RC that it's not worth dumping huge amounts of money into racing efforts. It is ALOT more expensive to operate a race team today then it was even 8-10 years ago. All the factories will do what Yamaha did. Because it is smart business. Does anyone miss factory yamaha? Seems like they have more of a presence now then before.

The RMZ is an awesome bike period. But they had to make decisions on production #'s, it's business. The other four all pull money from their main business's which are huge. Look at Kawasaki, the motorcyles division, especially dirtbikes are a tiny part of their business.

Suzuki will be fine. They will pick up two top guys next year like Wilson or Rattray and be right back. I just wish they would get rid of that Rockstar suzuki team. That team makes the RMZ250 look back when in fact it's a fantastic bike.
2/6/2012 8:46pm
I wouldn't say going under. As far as your RMZ and MX you should probably ask your dealer not people with opinions lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki Bottom line...
I wouldn't say going under. As far as your RMZ and MX you should probably ask your dealer not people with opinions lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki

Bottom line they're hard into cars.
"2012: In January, the company said it would build a new engine factory as the third factory in Indonesia to fulfill the fast-growing Southeast Asian market. On a 1.3 million square-metre site in an industrial park outside Jakarta, Suzuki has spent 10 billion yen and might be would reach 30 billion yen."
Dealers always tell the truth
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2/6/2012 9:24pm
ScottP wrote:
Suzuki is just fine. They are smart. They learned with RC that it's not worth dumping huge amounts of money into racing efforts. It is ALOT...
Suzuki is just fine. They are smart. They learned with RC that it's not worth dumping huge amounts of money into racing efforts. It is ALOT more expensive to operate a race team today then it was even 8-10 years ago. All the factories will do what Yamaha did. Because it is smart business. Does anyone miss factory yamaha? Seems like they have more of a presence now then before.

The RMZ is an awesome bike period. But they had to make decisions on production #'s, it's business. The other four all pull money from their main business's which are huge. Look at Kawasaki, the motorcyles division, especially dirtbikes are a tiny part of their business.

Suzuki will be fine. They will pick up two top guys next year like Wilson or Rattray and be right back. I just wish they would get rid of that Rockstar suzuki team. That team makes the RMZ250 look back when in fact it's a fantastic bike.
Well said, and I agree.
Shit I hope they do well, as I have become a HUGE fan of their product recently. I still dont understand why you dont see more of them out at the track. The RMZ is every bit as good or better than most of the 450s out there.
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2/6/2012 9:32pm
wonder when they will release a new rmz, ..i heard they were bringing the 2-strokes back
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2/6/2012 9:35pm
I hope they can recover and come back with a full line of Off-road/MX/DS bikes. If not, Yamaha could go back to Yellow.
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I hope they don't go under. Chances are, they won't go under if they can bring the real RM Motocrossers back in to the States and get some sales....

There may be a deal in place for them to make some quick money in case they can't manage to get some of the real RM's over here...

Apparently, Browning-Ferris Industries has a ball mill down in Texas and the balls are getting rough and rusty. In order to retard the corrosion of the balls, Browning-Ferris will buy up the RMZ's and smash them into chunklets....

Then they'll be fed into the ailing ball mill to polish up it's balls.

The RMZ line will be excellent for this.
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2/6/2012 11:54pm Edited Date/Time 2/6/2012 11:58pm
I hope not... Always been a Suzuki guy.

As far as the current 450 goes, its awesome. Ranks near the top of every shoot-out I've read even though they've only been continuously refining the '08 model.

Edit: I know, obviously can't go purely off of "shoot-outs", but I still feel its a strong bike.
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2/7/2012 12:04am
FourFoopty wrote:
I hope they don't go under. Chances are, they won't go under if they can bring the real RM Motocrossers back in to the States and...
I hope they don't go under. Chances are, they won't go under if they can bring the real RM Motocrossers back in to the States and get some sales....

There may be a deal in place for them to make some quick money in case they can't manage to get some of the real RM's over here...

Apparently, Browning-Ferris Industries has a ball mill down in Texas and the balls are getting rough and rusty. In order to retard the corrosion of the balls, Browning-Ferris will buy up the RMZ's and smash them into chunklets....

Then they'll be fed into the ailing ball mill to polish up it's balls.

The RMZ line will be excellent for this.
Sounds like a lot of Propaganda to me.
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2/7/2012 12:46am
FourFoopty wrote:
I hope they don't go under. Chances are, they won't go under if they can bring the real RM Motocrossers back in to the States and...
I hope they don't go under. Chances are, they won't go under if they can bring the real RM Motocrossers back in to the States and get some sales....

There may be a deal in place for them to make some quick money in case they can't manage to get some of the real RM's over here...

Apparently, Browning-Ferris Industries has a ball mill down in Texas and the balls are getting rough and rusty. In order to retard the corrosion of the balls, Browning-Ferris will buy up the RMZ's and smash them into chunklets....

Then they'll be fed into the ailing ball mill to polish up it's balls.

The RMZ line will be excellent for this.
GuyB wrote:
Sounds like a lot of Propaganda to me.
HAHAHA !!! I am behind you on the fight though Mr Foopty !!!
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Going under? Hell no!
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Big Daddy wrote:
"Remember about 7 years ago when they joined with Kawasaki? It was the year they made that pot-metal piece of shit RMZ/KXF 250F" That quality piece...
"Remember about 7 years ago when they joined with Kawasaki? It was the year they made that pot-metal piece of shit RMZ/KXF 250F"

That quality piece of equipment was compliments of Kawasaki's engineering and production. That was one of several models shared by the two manufacturers during their "alliance", as they chose to refer to it. Yes, that 2004 model KX250F/RMZ250 was something else, wasn't it. I loved how the management would simply lie about issues with those things. If everyone only knew.........
You say that, but they very nearly had Stewart on the roster for 2012. That would have changed their perception greatly. With that deal going south, there were no real race winners available. The shelves do look empty with Metcalfe in 10th place though.
2/7/2012 3:38am Edited Date/Time 2/7/2012 3:38am
OMG !

Pretty sure Suzuki are fine AND NOT GOING UNDER - they are bigger than MX sales alone and globally a lot bigger than their sales or lack of sales in the U.S (may be hard for some U.S citizens to believe but true none the less) if in fact they are suffering at all.

UK for example, Suzuki are very popular - would like to bet it's the same in most countries. Road and off road.

Moto GP is a tough nut for any manufacturer to stay at the top in - other track racing however, Suzuki are very popular and successful - look at the titles acquired nationally and internationally.
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2/7/2012 4:37am
YES they are!
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I would rather see a company like suzuki offer factory support to 2 or 3 satelite teams and pull out their factory rig and stop doing what they are doing now. If they really want to talk about throwing money down the drain why would they haul around a factory rig with only Metty who they know will probably not get any SX wins and lucky to be on the podium? I'm not bashing Metty, I like him. But the truth of it doesn't make sense when they are using all of those resources for one 5-10 place rider. Honda is the same with Brayton who is only slightly better than Metty on any given night. But Honda's efforts seem to be justified because they seem to be very supportive of Reed and I almost think they consider him their main rider.

I like what Yamaha has done with Star. They have really helped build a nice team up by offering them factory stuff. They can help more riders on that team at lower costs then fielding one or two "superstars" through their own factory effort. Those Star bikes are just as capable as winning as PC or Geico with the right riders.

IMHO, I wish all of the direct factory efforts would go away. If each factory supported 3 satellite teams, there would be alot more rides available and it would make a huge improvement in leveling the equipment playing field. If each satelite team has (minimum) 2 riders, that's 6 riders per factory support, x the big 5 = 30 riders on good equipment instead of about the current 10 riders who have obvously better equipment. Then you would still have the smaller privateer-type teams with fairly good bikes. I just think it would really help in spreading the wealth of factory goods and promote a more even playing field.
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2/7/2012 6:45am
I dont think so...they have factories in SE Asia pumping out zillions of scooters. They all but disappeared in 09 with the GFC...you're just seeing the ghost of them now.
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2/7/2012 7:45am
most americans dont realize that the big 3 sold more autos in china last year than domestically.
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2/7/2012 7:47am
There needs to be a new Vital section: "Vital OEM advice" the manufacturers would benefit from such mind blowing business strategies!
2/7/2012 8:05am
They'll probably be fine. This is just a rotten time for everyone and as a company they have to tighten their belts. Yamaha have also refused to import the 2012 YZ 250f into the UK this year due to lack of 2011 sales.
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2/7/2012 8:27am Edited Date/Time 2/7/2012 8:27am
sandtl wrote:
Thank GM's bankruptcy for most of Suzuki's problems.
No way. GM has nothing to do with the fact that the RM is the lowest seller of the bunch. That's what it is. They just...
No way. GM has nothing to do with the fact that the RM is the lowest seller of the bunch. That's what it is. They just don't sell any RMs.
GM, like other American automotive manufacturers, have proven themselves a drain on the planet. Either it's the cycle of every few years the government has to jump in to bail their asses out of making shit product and having shit business plans, or they're jumping in and fucking up other product (like Ford did to Volvo).
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2/7/2012 8:27am
things would have to get pretty bad globally in order for them to actually discontinue a product line.

the amount of $$ they have wrapped up in engineering/tooling is quite substantial
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2/7/2012 8:38am
Dsigner wrote:
There needs to be a new Vital section: "Vital OEM advice" the manufacturers would benefit from such mind blowing business strategies!
I could probably make that happen. Wink
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Dsigner wrote:
There needs to be a new Vital section: "Vital OEM advice" the manufacturers would benefit from such mind blowing business strategies!
GuyB wrote:
I could probably make that happen. Wink
It's called the Dumbgeon. Why duplicate the effort?

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