Multi brand gear relationships

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Edited Date/Time 2/7/2012 12:23pm
The current relationship between Fox and Shift is fairly obvious right now. What are some other gear relationships that may not be as well known?

Historically, I can think of a few... AXO/Sinisalo, MSR/HiPoint, Answer/Gearne
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Shift is the counter-culture offshoot brand of Fox. Has been forever, it has just recently made a resurgence
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ga_pike wrote:
The current relationship between Fox and Shift is fairly obvious right now. What are some other gear relationships that may not be as well known? Historically...
The current relationship between Fox and Shift is fairly obvious right now. What are some other gear relationships that may not be as well known?

Historically, I can think of a few... AXO/Sinisalo, MSR/HiPoint, Answer/Gearne
Shift is Fox bro. Same company. Yes, relationship is obvious, it's called ownership.
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ga_pike wrote:
The current relationship between Fox and Shift is fairly obvious right now. What are some other gear relationships that may not be as well known? Historically...
The current relationship between Fox and Shift is fairly obvious right now. What are some other gear relationships that may not be as well known?

Historically, I can think of a few... AXO/Sinisalo, MSR/HiPoint, Answer/Gearne
motoplook wrote:
Shift is Fox bro. Same company. Yes, relationship is obvious, it's called ownership.
I totally get that it's ownership bro, but I'm like stoked that you cleared it up for me. That's gnarly, raylor, and fully avi. Maybe we should burn a sixer and smoke another bowl? Cheya!

Now... I'm wondering how often you see similar situations... like the old AXO/Sinisalo relationship. Jeff Ward wore Sinisalo jersey, pants, and gloves along with AXO boots, kidney belt, and chest protector.

MS Racing bought HiPoint back in the day and you always saw the MS guys wearing HiPoint boots.

What I'm asking is are there more of these that may not be as obvious? Didn't someone buy HRP and keep selling the chest protector? Stuff like that.
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Thor/Parts Unlimited/Alpine Stars is probably the largest. Apparantly A Stars agrees not to import their riding gear and Thor agrees to use their boots and not manufacture a high end boot of their own.

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Most of those relationships are because of distribution, who imported what...or who manufactured what.

Answer Products imported Gaerne so that's why Answer clothed guys wore Gaernes. AXO and Sinisalo were out of the same office.

O'neal imported AXO boots...remember Jim Holley wore AXO boots with his O'neal clothes. Yoko made a lot of Fox gear in the 80's so you'd see the Yoko logos on Fox pants and gloves. Sinisalo logos on some JT stuff. The Finnish companies used to make about all the pants and gloves for the American companies...and then they'd go to Italy for Chest Protectors and Boots.

The John Penton Story is a very interesting book. Not just with KTM. But he stumbled upon the Alpinestars factory and had them start make High Point boots....which were distributed by Malcolm Smith...who turned into Tucker Rocky. He played a part in creating so much of the MX business.
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wpark89 wrote:
Most of those relationships are because of distribution, who imported what...or who manufactured what. Answer Products imported Gaerne so that's why Answer clothed guys wore Gaernes...
Most of those relationships are because of distribution, who imported what...or who manufactured what.

Answer Products imported Gaerne so that's why Answer clothed guys wore Gaernes. AXO and Sinisalo were out of the same office.

O'neal imported AXO boots...remember Jim Holley wore AXO boots with his O'neal clothes. Yoko made a lot of Fox gear in the 80's so you'd see the Yoko logos on Fox pants and gloves. Sinisalo logos on some JT stuff. The Finnish companies used to make about all the pants and gloves for the American companies...and then they'd go to Italy for Chest Protectors and Boots.

The John Penton Story is a very interesting book. Not just with KTM. But he stumbled upon the Alpinestars factory and had them start make High Point boots....which were distributed by Malcolm Smith...who turned into Tucker Rocky. He played a part in creating so much of the MX business.
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wpark89 wrote:
Most of those relationships are because of distribution, who imported what...or who manufactured what. Answer Products imported Gaerne so that's why Answer clothed guys wore Gaernes...
Most of those relationships are because of distribution, who imported what...or who manufactured what.

Answer Products imported Gaerne so that's why Answer clothed guys wore Gaernes. AXO and Sinisalo were out of the same office.

O'neal imported AXO boots...remember Jim Holley wore AXO boots with his O'neal clothes. Yoko made a lot of Fox gear in the 80's so you'd see the Yoko logos on Fox pants and gloves. Sinisalo logos on some JT stuff. The Finnish companies used to make about all the pants and gloves for the American companies...and then they'd go to Italy for Chest Protectors and Boots.

The John Penton Story is a very interesting book. Not just with KTM. But he stumbled upon the Alpinestars factory and had them start make High Point boots....which were distributed by Malcolm Smith...who turned into Tucker Rocky. He played a part in creating so much of the MX business.
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a "walking Euro MX encyclopedia" at that, not bad for a young man! Wes, Dealer Expo?
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ga_pike wrote:
I totally get that it's ownership bro, but I'm like stoked that you cleared it up for me. That's gnarly, raylor, and fully avi. Maybe we...
I totally get that it's ownership bro, but I'm like stoked that you cleared it up for me. That's gnarly, raylor, and fully avi. Maybe we should burn a sixer and smoke another bowl? Cheya!

Now... I'm wondering how often you see similar situations... like the old AXO/Sinisalo relationship. Jeff Ward wore Sinisalo jersey, pants, and gloves along with AXO boots, kidney belt, and chest protector.

MS Racing bought HiPoint back in the day and you always saw the MS guys wearing HiPoint boots.

What I'm asking is are there more of these that may not be as obvious? Didn't someone buy HRP and keep selling the chest protector? Stuff like that.
but bro, what do you mean "relationship". It's 1 company having their riders wear their products. Ain't no "relationship", it's business. I have a brand that has shitty helmets and shitty boots and another brands that has great selling helmets and a new kick ass boot, in the world of head-to-toe deals, I am going to make sure my Shift riders wear my Fox helmets and boots.

Same for the Scott goggles and Alpinestars boots on Thor and Moose riders. Parts Unlimited is the distributor and want to make sure the riders they pay wear the products they sell. Nothing romantic or cool about it, just plain simple business bro.
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ga_pike wrote:
I totally get that it's ownership bro, but I'm like stoked that you cleared it up for me. That's gnarly, raylor, and fully avi. Maybe we...
I totally get that it's ownership bro, but I'm like stoked that you cleared it up for me. That's gnarly, raylor, and fully avi. Maybe we should burn a sixer and smoke another bowl? Cheya!

Now... I'm wondering how often you see similar situations... like the old AXO/Sinisalo relationship. Jeff Ward wore Sinisalo jersey, pants, and gloves along with AXO boots, kidney belt, and chest protector.

MS Racing bought HiPoint back in the day and you always saw the MS guys wearing HiPoint boots.

What I'm asking is are there more of these that may not be as obvious? Didn't someone buy HRP and keep selling the chest protector? Stuff like that.
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but bro, what do you mean "relationship". It's 1 company having their riders wear their products. Ain't no "relationship", it's business. I have a brand that...
but bro, what do you mean "relationship". It's 1 company having their riders wear their products. Ain't no "relationship", it's business. I have a brand that has shitty helmets and shitty boots and another brands that has great selling helmets and a new kick ass boot, in the world of head-to-toe deals, I am going to make sure my Shift riders wear my Fox helmets and boots.

Same for the Scott goggles and Alpinestars boots on Thor and Moose riders. Parts Unlimited is the distributor and want to make sure the riders they pay wear the products they sell. Nothing romantic or cool about it, just plain simple business bro.
But bruh... wouldn't that be what is known as a "business relationship"?? I mean, that might totally go raptor on your mind and all, but just think.... companies start bedding each other and the next thing you know we have nuclear holocaust! Armageddon even! It's like, totally ball out boss!
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I believe Tucky Rocky owns Answer, MSR and Pro Taper.
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ga_pike wrote:
But bruh... wouldn't that be what is known as a "business relationship"?? I mean, that might totally go raptor on your mind and all, but just...
But bruh... wouldn't that be what is known as a "business relationship"?? I mean, that might totally go raptor on your mind and all, but just think.... companies start bedding each other and the next thing you know we have nuclear holocaust! Armageddon even! It's like, totally ball out boss!
what do you mean "business relationship" broham, Fox and Shift are not two different companies having a business relationship, it's one company having two branding.
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wpark89 wrote:
Most of those relationships are because of distribution, who imported what...or who manufactured what. Answer Products imported Gaerne so that's why Answer clothed guys wore Gaernes...
Most of those relationships are because of distribution, who imported what...or who manufactured what.

Answer Products imported Gaerne so that's why Answer clothed guys wore Gaernes. AXO and Sinisalo were out of the same office.

O'neal imported AXO boots...remember Jim Holley wore AXO boots with his O'neal clothes. Yoko made a lot of Fox gear in the 80's so you'd see the Yoko logos on Fox pants and gloves. Sinisalo logos on some JT stuff. The Finnish companies used to make about all the pants and gloves for the American companies...and then they'd go to Italy for Chest Protectors and Boots.

The John Penton Story is a very interesting book. Not just with KTM. But he stumbled upon the Alpinestars factory and had them start make High Point boots....which were distributed by Malcolm Smith...who turned into Tucker Rocky. He played a part in creating so much of the MX business.
I still have a pair of my old Fox/Yoko gloves.....Yoko across the knuckles and Fox across the back of the hand.

Early JT gear was all by Sinisalo and their boots were made by Gaerne, Hannah's HRP line was made by Koho, the gear companies when they were first starting out went with an existing manufacturer to make their product and continued the relationship. A bit like how HJC manufacturers most the gear companies helmets.
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Oakley makes Fox goggles. Prior to Fox selling goggles, most of their gear/helmet riders used Oakley goggles.
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One Industries/SixSixOne. I don't think many pro riders wear who wear ONE use SixSixOne boots but I know plenty of AM's that are supported by all of the Tag/Sunline/SixSixOne/ and One. But I'm not entirely sure what all those brand's business relationships are like.
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One Industries/SixSixOne. I don't think many pro riders wear who wear ONE use SixSixOne boots but I know plenty of AM's that are supported by all...
One Industries/SixSixOne. I don't think many pro riders wear who wear ONE use SixSixOne boots but I know plenty of AM's that are supported by all of the Tag/Sunline/SixSixOne/ and One. But I'm not entirely sure what all those brand's business relationships are like.
One Industries owns all 4 of those brands.
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wpark89 wrote:
Most of those relationships are because of distribution, who imported what...or who manufactured what. Answer Products imported Gaerne so that's why Answer clothed guys wore Gaernes...
Most of those relationships are because of distribution, who imported what...or who manufactured what.

Answer Products imported Gaerne so that's why Answer clothed guys wore Gaernes. AXO and Sinisalo were out of the same office.

O'neal imported AXO boots...remember Jim Holley wore AXO boots with his O'neal clothes. Yoko made a lot of Fox gear in the 80's so you'd see the Yoko logos on Fox pants and gloves. Sinisalo logos on some JT stuff. The Finnish companies used to make about all the pants and gloves for the American companies...and then they'd go to Italy for Chest Protectors and Boots.

The John Penton Story is a very interesting book. Not just with KTM. But he stumbled upon the Alpinestars factory and had them start make High Point boots....which were distributed by Malcolm Smith...who turned into Tucker Rocky. He played a part in creating so much of the MX business.
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a "walking Euro MX encyclopedia" at that, not bad for a young man! Wes, Dealer Expo?
Hey Chris...

I have a "real" job now.....no plans to fly back and freeze my ass off in Indy. It would be good to visit sometime though. Thanks for the encyclopedia comment...I'm just a fan....full of normally useless knowledge!
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MtnBoy wrote:
You never cease to amaze me, a walking moto encyclopedia!
Shenzi wrote:
a "walking Euro MX encyclopedia" at that, not bad for a young man! Wes, Dealer Expo?
wpark89 wrote:
Hey Chris... I have a "real" job now.....no plans to fly back and freeze my ass off in Indy. It would be good to visit sometime...
Hey Chris...

I have a "real" job now.....no plans to fly back and freeze my ass off in Indy. It would be good to visit sometime though. Thanks for the encyclopedia comment...I'm just a fan....full of normally useless knowledge!
Mattawa? From there originally or move there?
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In the late 90s, Thor had some pants called "Legends" that was made by Sinsalo. I used to look for the little Finland flag on pants when I needed a new pair. They usually fit better and lasted longer than the Chinese stuff. Early Moose XCR pants were made in Finland, but I'm not sure if it was Yoko or Sinisalo. Acerbis made Moose chest protectors also.
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APLMAN...actually from Mattawa. Family has been there since '57.

You know the pants with the Finnish flags on the cuffs would last forever. Those old SCD pants would easily outlast any of the new stuff.

When I was in Italy at UFO in the early '00's we were making chest protectors for Fox, Thor, O'neal, and a ton of other companies. A lot of brands got the same protector with different stickers and elastic. We packed containers every week with chest protectors going all over the world.

It used to be neat that brands were really specific....they had a certain specialty and they did that well. You wanted to buy Finnish pants....or Air Filters from Holland. Now just about everybody sells everything because they just go to Asia and have their logo put on it. It was so weird to me when Factory Effex came out with rims. I was like..."What? They are a graphic company?"

Fox was another one who was actually a distributor of AXO boots in the early 80's for the US....and AXO later blew up with a full line and took a huge chunk of their market. Look through an old Malcolm Smith catalog and they were a distributor for Alpinestars, Hi- Point, and Answer.
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Most relationships right now are from between outside brands and 'moto' brands. For example: Volcom - Thor, Skullcandy - Answer, Adidas - TLD,...
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APLMAN...actually from Mattawa. Family has been there since '57. You know the pants with the Finnish flags on the cuffs would last forever. Those old SCD...
APLMAN...actually from Mattawa. Family has been there since '57.

You know the pants with the Finnish flags on the cuffs would last forever. Those old SCD pants would easily outlast any of the new stuff.

When I was in Italy at UFO in the early '00's we were making chest protectors for Fox, Thor, O'neal, and a ton of other companies. A lot of brands got the same protector with different stickers and elastic. We packed containers every week with chest protectors going all over the world.

It used to be neat that brands were really specific....they had a certain specialty and they did that well. You wanted to buy Finnish pants....or Air Filters from Holland. Now just about everybody sells everything because they just go to Asia and have their logo put on it. It was so weird to me when Factory Effex came out with rims. I was like..."What? They are a graphic company?"

Fox was another one who was actually a distributor of AXO boots in the early 80's for the US....and AXO later blew up with a full line and took a huge chunk of their market. Look through an old Malcolm Smith catalog and they were a distributor for Alpinestars, Hi- Point, and Answer.
Love it down that way. I've lived in Royal City and Moses Lake a long time ago and I really liked tooling around the Saddle Mountains for fun back then and riding Beverly when no one knew it was really there.

I used to do some consulting for Taggares out at King Fuji ranch a lot of years ago too.

You probably get up to Toe's place in Royal now and then? Tell Steve that big Kev from Orondo says hi. I haven't seen him in 4 or 5 years but remind him about a big bachelor party on Lake Roosevelt and he'll get the connection.

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