Stewart's Tiregate

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1/10/2012 6:17pm
The real question is, how much faster could he have gone with Dunlops?
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RealityZ wrote:
Frackin Anaheim!

I'm guessing JGR is in contract with Pirelli throughout this year else, why wouldn't they ditch the 100k for Dunlop.
2thefront wrote:
It's not the contract. Pirelli is still the best option long term. Eventually they'll figure it out and JS will have tires made exclusively for him...
It's not the contract. Pirelli is still the best option long term. Eventually they'll figure it out and JS will have tires made exclusively for him that no one else will be able to get. That's the advantage they're looking for and will find.
RealityZ wrote:
Why is Pirelli the best option long term?

And be able to gain an advantage Dunlop
Because they're getting a LOT of attention from them. There's too many smart people at Pirelli for them not to be able to be at the very very least on par with Dunlop. JS will get tires built exactly to his liking perfectly suited for just that bike.
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Analyze it? Really? Wouldn't that be easier in a lab, rather than a truck in the pits?
Homey55 wrote:
Yeah, really. That's what engineers do. Take samples, check thicknesses whatever info or advantage they can gain I'm sure they would with the main competitors product...
Yeah, really. That's what engineers do. Take samples, check thicknesses whatever info or advantage they can gain I'm sure they would with the main competitors product in their hand.
My point is, why do it at in the Anaheim parking lot when they can do it at Pirelli North America HQ? Or are you implying they couldn't get their hands on a Dunlop works tire until last Saturday?
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My point is, why do it at in the Anaheim parking lot when they can do it at Pirelli North America HQ? Or are you implying...
My point is, why do it at in the Anaheim parking lot when they can do it at Pirelli North America HQ? Or are you implying they couldn't get their hands on a Dunlop works tire until last Saturday?
From Racer-X

"As you would expect, Glover and the Dunlop crew aren’t happy because Stewart’s tire was a works tire, which is the official property of Dunlop, and since JGR is not sponsored by the brand, they’re not supposed to have access to that tire. How did Stewart get the tire? Most probably, it was one he had from 2011."

I suppose the engineers had access to it for a while but Dunlop/Bridgestone did not know they had a "works" tire until A-1. I think it sucks for Dunlop because they have a lot of time and money tied up in their "works" tire...but they should have had control of their tire at all times if they didn't want it to land in the wrong hands. I'm sure it's embarasing for whomever issued the tire to James in the first place.

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"How did Stewart get the tire? Most probably, it was one he had from 2011."


because every rider carries a year old tire with them everywhere they go
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1/11/2012 9:43am
"How did Stewart get the tire? Most probably, it was one he had from 2011." because every rider carries a year old tire with them everywhere...
"How did Stewart get the tire? Most probably, it was one he had from 2011."


because every rider carries a year old tire with them everywhere they go
Exactly, of all the explanations this one is the weakest. From my experience changing tires for the Dunlop guy back in the day they keep a pretty close watch on the top tier tires. There is also the problem of tread rubber degradation from a year sitting exposed to the elements. The casing is also different from a regular casing and usually breaks down faster as well. I guess they had this brand new year old works tire stored in a sealed environment and never thought to use it during comparison testing at their private tracks?
1/11/2012 10:00am
"How did Stewart get the tire? Most probably, it was one he had from 2011." because every rider carries a year old tire with them everywhere...
"How did Stewart get the tire? Most probably, it was one he had from 2011."


because every rider carries a year old tire with them everywhere they go
It sounds to me like Bubba still has friends in low places. Low places that have Dunlops.
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1/11/2012 10:01am
Yeah, I'm not buying that "leftover tire" explanation. I think someone gave JGR a new works Dunlop, and I'm waiting for our intrepid moto-journalists to solve this mystery. Like Scooby Doo.
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1/11/2012 10:12am
Honestly I dont see the big deal. If he can run a tire back to back and tell Pirelli what the Dunlop is doing better or worse then they can build from there.

As long as he isnt racing with it he can gauge what the other tires are doing at different times in the day compared to what he will race with. Then they can go back and improve their tires.

They cant change them that day but it gives them some really good info and knowledge for the long term.
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1/11/2012 10:17am Edited Date/Time 1/11/2012 10:18am
I cant beleive that this tread is still going on about Stewarts tires....

Talk about kicking a dead dog...
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1/11/2012 2:51pm
I waited two days for Matthes to drop the bomb on whomever gave the Dunlop to JGR.... and he didn't do it! Boooo... Wink

Hey this sport is supposed to be entertaining, and this mini-scandal does it for me!
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1/11/2012 2:55pm Edited Date/Time 1/11/2012 2:55pm
matthes doesnt know he is guessing! these guys dream of being real reporters, till then they are stooges of this industry. any business man knows whats going on!
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1/11/2012 2:57pm Edited Date/Time 1/11/2012 2:57pm
pirelli is paying jgr to use their stuff! JGR....thinks there is no differance in tires! Stewart proved to them that there is a differance.
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1/11/2012 5:03pm Edited Date/Time 1/11/2012 5:26pm
Broc did not give them the tire, it was one that they had already. I was going to post something about this on Monday, but decided against it. Broc called me on my cell Saturday night after the races at about 12:30 am as I was driving home. It was surprising since we've probably only called each other a half dozen times in the 38 years I've known him, and never at 12:30 in the morning. He said the whole thing was a mess and felt embarrassed for Jbone and Keith, although someone must have ordered it put on. Nobody copped to giving the order. He also mentioned that they had taken a razor blade and removed the Dunlop logo from the tires. It couldn't have been a very comfortable situation for anyone.

All I know is that we talked for about 30 minutes and he obviously wanted to vent. He also mentioned Matthes by name and made a comment to the effect of, "Let's see how Matthes spins this on Monday", which I took to mean that Matthes has been a proponent of Pirelli tires, or maybe he and Broc head-butted in the past? I dunno, but I do know that he wasn't happy about it and that it had really made it a long day for him. He also mentioned a letter that he'd written to JGR stating something to the effect of, "Sorry we weren't able to work together for 2012, but perhaps we can revisit the idea at a later date".

And yes, the tire companies do take this very seriously, and they should. Also, he said the works tire that they ran was a 722 or something like that and pretty much all the factories running Dunlops have them. I told him Dunlop should run an ad like FMF did when the logos were taken off RV's bike last year..."The Naked Truth"...LOL. He actually liked the idea and was asking me about the details of the ads...
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You never know......after being in an difficult position, Pirelli may come out pretty good after all of this. For one, did anyone outside the industry really even know that JGR were running Pirelli tires last year? Well the general public really knows now!

Also, did your average weekend motocrosser know that the top guys were running special tires that he can't get? Well he knows now!

I'm sure they are going to blow it up on the Speed broadcast this weekend, so I can't see James wanting to switching tires again. So I would imagine that JS7 found a Pirelli tire this week while testing in California to his liking. Now what will happen if he starts winning races soon? Everybody is going to know he was using Pirellis.

Could be good for Pirelli in the long run.
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1/11/2012 5:48pm
I bet Speed says nothing about it.
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Thanks Bauer.

So everyone is at fault, because no one wants to admit their culpability. Somehow a works Dunlop went missing, somehow it had the logo razor'd off, somehow it got mounted on a JGR wheel, somehow that wheel was put on Stewart's bike, somehow Broc found out about it, somehow Matthes heard about it... juicy stuff. (even though like I said, in the grand scheme of things, WGAF?)

Let's go back to the beginning: when these tire mfgs hand out the good stuff, don't they track serial numbers? I mean, if they really take this stuff seriously, there's gotta be some type of inventory control process in place, right? So they know who got what when. That seems pretty basic.

But it seems that the storyline is going to stick with the "leftover tire" scenario: Stewart simply has a bunch of spares leftover from the L&M/San Manuel days, and Coy and JBone are cool with recycling them as they see fit. Right. I have trouble buying that.

Whatever. It's over. Time to phocus on Phoenix and the next turn of the wrench!
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Bauer wrote:
Broc did not give them the tire, it was one that they had already. I was going to post something about this on Monday, but decided...
Broc did not give them the tire, it was one that they had already. I was going to post something about this on Monday, but decided against it. Broc called me on my cell Saturday night after the races at about 12:30 am as I was driving home. It was surprising since we've probably only called each other a half dozen times in the 38 years I've known him, and never at 12:30 in the morning. He said the whole thing was a mess and felt embarrassed for Jbone and Keith, although someone must have ordered it put on. Nobody copped to giving the order. He also mentioned that they had taken a razor blade and removed the Dunlop logo from the tires. It couldn't have been a very comfortable situation for anyone.

All I know is that we talked for about 30 minutes and he obviously wanted to vent. He also mentioned Matthes by name and made a comment to the effect of, "Let's see how Matthes spins this on Monday", which I took to mean that Matthes has been a proponent of Pirelli tires, or maybe he and Broc head-butted in the past? I dunno, but I do know that he wasn't happy about it and that it had really made it a long day for him. He also mentioned a letter that he'd written to JGR stating something to the effect of, "Sorry we weren't able to work together for 2012, but perhaps we can revisit the idea at a later date".

And yes, the tire companies do take this very seriously, and they should. Also, he said the works tire that they ran was a 722 or something like that and pretty much all the factories running Dunlops have them. I told him Dunlop should run an ad like FMF did when the logos were taken off RV's bike last year..."The Naked Truth"...LOL. He actually liked the idea and was asking me about the details of the ads...
Sounds like it's a bit more then, "I had a leftover tire" if Glover is that mad.
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1/11/2012 6:07pm
Bauer wrote:
Broc did not give them the tire, it was one that they had already. I was going to post something about this on Monday, but decided...
Broc did not give them the tire, it was one that they had already. I was going to post something about this on Monday, but decided against it. Broc called me on my cell Saturday night after the races at about 12:30 am as I was driving home. It was surprising since we've probably only called each other a half dozen times in the 38 years I've known him, and never at 12:30 in the morning. He said the whole thing was a mess and felt embarrassed for Jbone and Keith, although someone must have ordered it put on. Nobody copped to giving the order. He also mentioned that they had taken a razor blade and removed the Dunlop logo from the tires. It couldn't have been a very comfortable situation for anyone.

All I know is that we talked for about 30 minutes and he obviously wanted to vent. He also mentioned Matthes by name and made a comment to the effect of, "Let's see how Matthes spins this on Monday", which I took to mean that Matthes has been a proponent of Pirelli tires, or maybe he and Broc head-butted in the past? I dunno, but I do know that he wasn't happy about it and that it had really made it a long day for him. He also mentioned a letter that he'd written to JGR stating something to the effect of, "Sorry we weren't able to work together for 2012, but perhaps we can revisit the idea at a later date".

And yes, the tire companies do take this very seriously, and they should. Also, he said the works tire that they ran was a 722 or something like that and pretty much all the factories running Dunlops have them. I told him Dunlop should run an ad like FMF did when the logos were taken off RV's bike last year..."The Naked Truth"...LOL. He actually liked the idea and was asking me about the details of the ads...
6 times in 38 years,who the hell keeps a phone # of someone they do not talk to on a regular basis,lol
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1/11/2012 6:10pm
What tires is JDR KTM running?
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Somebody actually caught it on camera. Apparently, Broc had to put up quite a fight to get that tire back.
Check 28 seconds into this video!

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If this is the best we can do to keep up interest mid week, either the sport or the fans need kick in the nuts.
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mxb2 wrote:
6 times in 38 years,who the hell keeps a phone # of someone they do not talk to on a regular basis,lol
As if we've both had the same number for 38 years...

We were teammates at DG when we were kids (15 & 17), his dad did the forks on one of my CR125s, Broc went bigtime and changed a bit, but I'd see him at the races. Fast forward to mid-90s and I got back into the sport doing some writing and Internet terrorizing and I'd run into him at the races all the time, but now he's a different guy because he's on the down slope of the humility bell curve. I've always liked Broc and we're good friends, He's helped out with WWR and I've helped him out with his cause or two. He's a good guy with a big heart, kinda like me. The last time I spoke with him before he called Sat night was when I called him for some tires for my XR100s.

I know, much more info than you deserve, but now you know how the world works...it's a quid pro quo society, son. You're welcome.

Oh, and one more thing: If you had Broc's number, you'd keep it for at least 38 years, who the fuck are you trying to kid?
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Yea ok man, it was a joke,but believe want you want, since you know me so well.
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1/12/2012 7:14am Edited Date/Time 1/12/2012 7:15am
Bauer wrote:
Broc did not give them the tire, it was one that they had already. I was going to post something about this on Monday, but decided...
Broc did not give them the tire, it was one that they had already. I was going to post something about this on Monday, but decided against it. Broc called me on my cell Saturday night after the races at about 12:30 am as I was driving home. It was surprising since we've probably only called each other a half dozen times in the 38 years I've known him, and never at 12:30 in the morning. He said the whole thing was a mess and felt embarrassed for Jbone and Keith, although someone must have ordered it put on. Nobody copped to giving the order. He also mentioned that they had taken a razor blade and removed the Dunlop logo from the tires. It couldn't have been a very comfortable situation for anyone.

All I know is that we talked for about 30 minutes and he obviously wanted to vent. He also mentioned Matthes by name and made a comment to the effect of, "Let's see how Matthes spins this on Monday", which I took to mean that Matthes has been a proponent of Pirelli tires, or maybe he and Broc head-butted in the past? I dunno, but I do know that he wasn't happy about it and that it had really made it a long day for him. He also mentioned a letter that he'd written to JGR stating something to the effect of, "Sorry we weren't able to work together for 2012, but perhaps we can revisit the idea at a later date".

And yes, the tire companies do take this very seriously, and they should. Also, he said the works tire that they ran was a 722 or something like that and pretty much all the factories running Dunlops have them. I told him Dunlop should run an ad like FMF did when the logos were taken off RV's bike last year..."The Naked Truth"...LOL. He actually liked the idea and was asking me about the details of the ads...
hey bauer.......they gave them the tire! quit contradicting yourself!


"Broc did not give them the tire, it was one that they had already"
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Sad thing is--- James had really rebuilt his PR image after the arrest: signing with Joe Gibbs, NASCAR announcement, lots of amazing pre-season vids that had everybody psyched. Then they go and pull this at the first race of the year, on his very first ride with the team- and all hell breaks loose in a way that makes JGR look very, very bad.
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Sherwood wrote:
What tires is JDR KTM running?
That would be Dunlop.......
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1/12/2012 7:35am Edited Date/Time 1/12/2012 7:36am
Sad thing is--- James had really rebuilt his PR image after the arrest: signing with Joe Gibbs, NASCAR announcement, lots of amazing pre-season vids that had...
Sad thing is--- James had really rebuilt his PR image after the arrest: signing with Joe Gibbs, NASCAR announcement, lots of amazing pre-season vids that had everybody psyched. Then they go and pull this at the first race of the year, on his very first ride with the team- and all hell breaks loose in a way that makes JGR look very, very bad.
they tested a tire that was given to them, in race conditions......i dont really see any big deal! Glover apealed to mcarty's business sense to get the tire back, they didnt have to give it back.
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Sad thing is--- James had really rebuilt his PR image after the arrest: signing with Joe Gibbs, NASCAR announcement, lots of amazing pre-season vids that had...
Sad thing is--- James had really rebuilt his PR image after the arrest: signing with Joe Gibbs, NASCAR announcement, lots of amazing pre-season vids that had everybody psyched. Then they go and pull this at the first race of the year, on his very first ride with the team- and all hell breaks loose in a way that makes JGR look very, very bad.
How did he rebuild it, looks like stewarts runnin the jgr camp, not joe gibbs.lol
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Bauer wrote:
Broc did not give them the tire, it was one that they had already. I was going to post something about this on Monday, but decided...
Broc did not give them the tire, it was one that they had already. I was going to post something about this on Monday, but decided against it. Broc called me on my cell Saturday night after the races at about 12:30 am as I was driving home. It was surprising since we've probably only called each other a half dozen times in the 38 years I've known him, and never at 12:30 in the morning. He said the whole thing was a mess and felt embarrassed for Jbone and Keith, although someone must have ordered it put on. Nobody copped to giving the order. He also mentioned that they had taken a razor blade and removed the Dunlop logo from the tires. It couldn't have been a very comfortable situation for anyone.

All I know is that we talked for about 30 minutes and he obviously wanted to vent. He also mentioned Matthes by name and made a comment to the effect of, "Let's see how Matthes spins this on Monday", which I took to mean that Matthes has been a proponent of Pirelli tires, or maybe he and Broc head-butted in the past? I dunno, but I do know that he wasn't happy about it and that it had really made it a long day for him. He also mentioned a letter that he'd written to JGR stating something to the effect of, "Sorry we weren't able to work together for 2012, but perhaps we can revisit the idea at a later date".

And yes, the tire companies do take this very seriously, and they should. Also, he said the works tire that they ran was a 722 or something like that and pretty much all the factories running Dunlops have them. I told him Dunlop should run an ad like FMF did when the logos were taken off RV's bike last year..."The Naked Truth"...LOL. He actually liked the idea and was asking me about the details of the ads...
Very slippery slope you are on here Bauer. It may not be the best ides commenting on what Broc had to say. Also, he may want to rethink the whole running an ad thing like FMF did because it could end poorly on his part. Remember all the front ends washing out last year??? Let's just say this isn't the first incident of riders not using the tires that sponsors them. The other tire guy just has a little more class and didn't make a big deal out of it.

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