Should the AMA fine lawrence?

Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 10:41am
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Dear MXA,
What business is it of the AMA to fine Jason Lawrence and Josh Hill for their drunken activities, including flipping a rent-a-car, getting arrested and underage drinking (Hill)? Or for that matter, why is it Yamaha’s business? What those two clowns do on their own time is no business of the AMA or Yamaha. This would never have been an issue if it wasn’t for the internet.

You are wrong on a lot of counts.

(1) When applying for an AMA Pro license, a rider agrees to abide by AMA rules: one of which says:

“Through the establishment and enforcement of various rules and procedures, AMA Racing strives to regulate the sport of professional motorcycle racing in the fairest possible manner. By participating in an AMA Pro Racing meet, each participant agrees to abide by AMA Pro Racing's rules and procedures. All parties involved in AMA Pro Racing meets are expected to conduct themselves in a professional manner, respecting at all times the rights of others. Participation in AMA Pro Racing-sanctioned activities is a privilege afforded to license and event credential holders, and all such participants understand that violation of AMA Pro Racing rules and procedures can lead to forfeiture of their competition licenses or event credential, fines, points deductions, lap deductions, finishing position deductions, time penalties (which must result in the loss of at least one finishing position), disqualification and other disciplinary actions as outlined herein. The following offenses will be subject to disciplinary: Engaging in any unfair practice, misbehavior or action detrimental to the sport of motorcycling in general, whether or not related to a specific competition...or any other act or actions deemed by a Race Manager or AMA Racing to be detrimental to the sport of motorcycle racing and the AMA.”

(2) As for Yamaha’s ability to punish Lawrence and Hill (or any other contracted rider), here is what a Yamaha contracts says about rider behavior:

“A rider’s contract may be terminated by Yamaha prior to its expiration date upon the giving of 30 days notice for the following reasons: If a rider is convicted of any crime or violation of any law of the United States or any state or the rider engages in an act of conduct, whether or not a crime, which could be reasonably expected to reflect adversely on the reputation of Yamaha, the Yamaha trademark or upon the rider.”

Or if you don’t like Yamaha’s contract, try Honda’s contract on this subject:

“Racer shall, at all times, conform his personal conduct to social conventions and to the highest standards of good sportsmanship, good citizenship, and good moral conduct, and racer shall conform his appearance to reasonable grooming standards. The racer shall not engage in any activity or act which, in the reasonable judgment of American Honda, may in any way injure or adversely reflect on the name, marks or goodwill of American Honda.

”This agreement may be terminated by American Honda prior to the expiration date upon five days notice for the following reasons: Racer being convicted of involvement in any felony level crime or similar violation of the any law, ordinance or regulation of the United States, its possession territories or any state, as well as those of any foreign country, involving an act or moral turpitude or similar types of activity, which in American Honda’s opinion could reasonably be expected to reflect adversely on the reputation of American Honda, the Honda trademark or the racer.”

(3) The internet had little or nothing to do with Hill’s and Lawrence’s troubles with the AMA or Yamaha. Since it took place at an AMA race, all of the team managers, AMA officials, track officials, mechanics and other riders were well aware of what took place. They did not need to read about it on the internet. They were there. They knew about it way before it appeared on any site.

(4) Under the terms of their contracts, both riders could be dropped from the team, have their license suspended or any combination of punishments. Instead they were put on probation and fined $25,000 (that they don’t have to pay if they make it through the probationary period without further incidents). Since Lawrence has already been on probation, putting him on probation again is a slap on the wrist...as are the fines that aren’t actually fines. These “clowns,” as you call them, are very lucky to only be subject to fake fines and embarassment of hollow letters of “regret” to the public from their manufacturers.

The next time Jason Lawrence or Josh Hill circulate a race track, a father isn’t going to turn to his young son and point to either one of them an say, “There goes a great motorcycle racer.” You don’t need an imagination to know what the lasting legacy of these riders will be.

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500guy
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6/18/2008 10:07am
Very well written and pretty cool MXA could actually get a look at a Factory Contract.
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6/18/2008 10:09am Edited Date/Time 6/18/2008 10:11am
If that had happened in NASCAR they most likely would have been sat down for six races and fined an actual $50-100,000.
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6/18/2008 10:19am Edited Date/Time 6/18/2008 10:20am
He's a punk, AMA should make him work as a flagman for all the remaining rounds on amateur day.
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6/18/2008 10:22am
Jesus...welcome to last week you tool

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6/18/2008 10:30am
FLvet wrote:
If that had happened in NASCAR they most likely would have been sat down for six races and fined an actual $50-100,000.
Don't say the N word.
6/18/2008 10:49am
"Jesus...welcome to last week you tool" Actually this was put up on MXA on monday. I just thought the contract verbage was cool. Well written and right on the money!
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6/18/2008 11:11am
rucka356 wrote:
He's a punk, AMA should make him work as a flagman for all the remaining rounds on amateur day.
I would not want J-law to be flagging at any events. You need to be alert to be a flagger.
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"Jesus...welcome to last week you tool" Actually this was put up on MXA on monday. I just thought the contract verbage was cool. Well written and...
"Jesus...welcome to last week you tool" Actually this was put up on MXA on monday. I just thought the contract verbage was cool. Well written and right on the money!
Ah yes, you're right...I read that too and could have sworn it was posted last week. I always got to MXA before all the other sites because they are a no bs bunch of core dudes who tell it like it is.
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6/18/2008 11:32am
FLvet wrote:
If that had happened in NASCAR they most likely would have been sat down for six races and fined an actual $50-100,000.
What was Kyle Busch's fine for DUI? I don't remember a probation, but I thought there was a fine.
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6/18/2008 11:34am
That was Kurt Busch that got the DUI
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6/18/2008 11:47am
He was released from Roush Racing (was leaving anyway) and missed the last few races of the season.
6/18/2008 12:14pm
We totally needed another J-Law thread.
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rucka356 wrote:
He's a punk, AMA should make him work as a flagman for all the remaining rounds on amateur day.
todder wrote:
I would not want J-law to be flagging at any events. You need to be alert to be a flagger.
I think it's a great idea, just force him to drink a couple Monsters.
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flarider wrote:
He was released from Roush Racing (was leaving anyway) and missed the last few races of the season.
So J-Law did get off really easy. I guess the AMA needs him more than NASCAR needs Kurt Busch.
Anyone know for sure if he got a DUI on that night, or is this just all speculation? There should be a police report right? I really don't know, but seems everyone has jumped on saying he did. Not saying he didn't, but I think someone would of found a police report by now.
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6/18/2008 12:35pm
Trip wrote:
So J-Law did get off really easy. I guess the AMA needs him more than NASCAR needs Kurt Busch. Anyone know for sure if he got...
So J-Law did get off really easy. I guess the AMA needs him more than NASCAR needs Kurt Busch.
Anyone know for sure if he got a DUI on that night, or is this just all speculation? There should be a police report right? I really don't know, but seems everyone has jumped on saying he did. Not saying he didn't, but I think someone would of found a police report by now.
actually, what I gather is he got out of trouble because Grandpa Villopotto talked the cops into letting them go.

The 2 dui thing is supposedly prior offenses.

He was on private property at the time of the incident so I'm not sure exactly what they could have booked him on.

Atleast that's my understanding of all the incidents...but, I could be wrong.
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6/18/2008 12:43pm
We totally needed another J-Law thread.
GOD no shit.... for the last fucking week thats ALL ive seen haha. Jus stfu and let it go.
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6/18/2008 12:57pm
Reading that a fine seems like a good deal.
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6/18/2008 1:02pm
Thing about DUI's is that it needs to be witnessed by a cop.
If you get into an accident, and leave the scene, walk away, and come back when the cops arrive, drunk or not, they can't prove you were actually drunk at the time.
You could have gone to a bar to have a drink to "calm your nerves" after the accident, but that doesn't mean you were drunk at the time.
Cop has to witness it or show you never left the scene
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6/18/2008 1:03pm
We totally needed another J-Law thread.
Ok. I hear your sarcasm. I'm on it.
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flarider wrote:
Thing about DUI's is that it needs to be witnessed by a cop. If you get into an accident, and leave the scene, walk away, and...
Thing about DUI's is that it needs to be witnessed by a cop.
If you get into an accident, and leave the scene, walk away, and come back when the cops arrive, drunk or not, they can't prove you were actually drunk at the time.
You could have gone to a bar to have a drink to "calm your nerves" after the accident, but that doesn't mean you were drunk at the time.
Cop has to witness it or show you never left the scene
And it wasn't on public property. He was in the middle of a pasture in Texas, where if you're gonna drive drunk it's probably the best place to do it. If you are there legally (not tresspassing) the cops can't touch you.

Now, add RVs and kids...The land owner is allowed to pound your ass.

We'd have gotten our asses pounded for fucking up the grass/hay, but that's a different story.
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6/18/2008 3:31pm
FLvet wrote:
If that had happened in NASCAR they most likely would have been sat down for six races and fined an actual $50-100,000.
yeah but he would be making $3 million a year not $300
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Trip wrote:
So J-Law did get off really easy. I guess the AMA needs him more than NASCAR needs Kurt Busch. Anyone know for sure if he got...
So J-Law did get off really easy. I guess the AMA needs him more than NASCAR needs Kurt Busch.
Anyone know for sure if he got a DUI on that night, or is this just all speculation? There should be a police report right? I really don't know, but seems everyone has jumped on saying he did. Not saying he didn't, but I think someone would of found a police report by now.
txmxer wrote:
actually, what I gather is he got out of trouble because Grandpa Villopotto talked the cops into letting them go. The 2 dui thing is supposedly...
actually, what I gather is he got out of trouble because Grandpa Villopotto talked the cops into letting them go.

The 2 dui thing is supposedly prior offenses.

He was on private property at the time of the incident so I'm not sure exactly what they could have booked him on.

Atleast that's my understanding of all the incidents...but, I could be wrong.
I thought the alleged DUI's were prior too. In reading some of the posts on here people are saying he was DUI that night too.
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From what I heard went on in the motorhome after the wreck he should lose his ride all together.

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