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12/4/2011 1:53pm
Why the hell does everybody want a 125 series?? I think it would be pointless, who is going to race it? It's not like Roczen or...
Why the hell does everybody want a 125 series?? I think it would be pointless, who is going to race it? It's not like Roczen or Poto or any other big name guy is gonna risk losing the REAL title tiddlin around on a 125.
newmann wrote:
Pointless? Thirty plus years of 125cc Nationals pointless? What is pointless is 250F SX East West regionals on $200,000.00 bikes. That is what's pointless.
Sounds pretty pointless to me. A bunch of mid pack B and C riders racing around is about as exciting as the WMX series.
That's why I said Pro/Am class. A run what you brought up to a 250f.
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12/4/2011 1:57pm
I love women. I love motocross. I love women in motocross.

They deserve to be in motocross and I want more involved.

They DO NOT need to be racing in the midst of the Lucas Oils AMA National Motocross Series on Saturdays..

Imagine going to a Lakers-Celtics playoff game and they insert a WNBA game in the middle of it ?

Imagine telling Danica Patrick to go race in a women's series ? Stop the segregation !

It will be a good day when some of the women try to step and, one FINE DAY, a woman will make it in and compete

against the boys. And I'll be cheering for her. Until then, the WMA needs to go on their own.
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12/4/2011 2:21pm
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wow all the macho boys tryin' to punk the girls... you so bad. I think it's awesome. Huge amount of the population that can add tremendously...
wow all the macho boys tryin' to punk the girls... you so bad.

I think it's awesome. Huge amount of the population that can add tremendously to the industry.

I myself like girls.
Agreed, I have a daughter that is riding and showing interest and I would like her to have the same opportunities that the guys have.
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12/4/2011 2:35pm
lostboy819 wrote:
One moto too many in my book, I wish they would do away with the WMX at the nationals completely
I agree...I love and respect women but its terribly uninteresting to watch! And when you think about how cool it would be to see an amateur 125cc moto...no that I would stick around to see! I mean no disrespect to the women racers...its awsome there out there I just done see how they belong at the big show. JMO

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12/4/2011 2:42pm
machine wrote:
The resources going to support the women could be much better spent helping out second tier guys.
mag23 wrote:
DC has already said wmx isn't going anywhere... there must be some contract between them, otherwise, no business plan would include selling products that most paying...
DC has already said wmx isn't going anywhere... there must be some contract between them, otherwise, no business plan would include selling products that most paying customers don't want. Funny, at Hangtown, some of the d-bag 'insiders' that claim they support wma were in food lines during the ladies' motos. When wma was the last moto of the day, these same guys left to get back to their hotel to get ready for the night. This is no bash on the riders either, I know they're bad ass, but they just don't belong in a national show.
haha...yep.... no one wants to really say how they feel, because they would be seen as women haters...lol
12/4/2011 4:55pm
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You want MX to be mainstream? - you include the Girls. Alienating half the population doesn't make sense. I love it and they're only going to...
You want MX to be mainstream? - you include the Girls. Alienating half the population doesn't make sense.
I love it and they're only going to get better if they've got something to aim at.
They also need to take themselves seriously and quit the stupid pin-up shots in bikinis (it only appeals to middle aged sad cases) and has no place in this day and age..
I don't believe you. Where are said pin-up shots? We demand proof!
12/4/2011 5:00pm
Let the women ride! I like seeing how fast they can go. I don't care if it isn't as fast as the men, or if the racing sucks. Newsflash: replacing them with a different group of racers won't change either of those things! The racing is only good when the talent mixture is right. I do see a benefit in having 125's out there though. About the same benefit as running the Women in that they would both help to grow the sport. I like newmann's 6,6 idea.
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12/4/2011 5:24pm
Why all the hate for the ladies? Seriously, how many of you couch jockeys could hang with Miss Fiolek?

https://youtu.be/MmT74EgWNdE
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12/4/2011 5:29pm
7I3N wrote:
Why all the hate for the ladies? Seriously, how many of you couch jockeys could hang with Miss Fiolek?

https://youtu.be/MmT74EgWNdE
How many people could hang with a WNBA player dosen't mean we want to watch them.
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12/4/2011 6:30pm
I say let the ladies run in the same class as the men!
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12/4/2011 6:52pm
Hey Sherwood, Then don’t watch! Go get a beer and a hot dog. They have enough time in the program so let them race. There are plenty of people who enjoy watching motocross no matter what class is on the track. I even like the little guys on the 50’s. I have been to every National in so cal the last several years, I can remember the 450's running the last race of the day and watching Glen Helen empty out before the race was half way over. Now the women ride last so People want to beat the traffic and start heading out, if it were a 125cc two stroke PRO/AM class the same thing would happen. They should run the Girls First before the track is beat to hell. They ride the track in its worst condition and then you want to give them crap for not being as fast?? They get faster every year and the National exposure helps them get the support they need to put the work in to get FASTER. Then there are Guys like you who want to pull the carpet out from under them and then criticize them… shows what type of guy you are. A lot of the young ladies out there have little to NO help, and none of them have anything like the top 10 men get except maybe Ashley. There are a bunch of very fast young girls very close to jumping in the women’s pro program. Taking them out of the National Program would be a big blow to steps they have made. If you truly would like to see them get faster, support them, cheer for them and help motivate them in a positive way. Stop beating them up like the Mini Dads so many of you complain about!!
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12/4/2011 7:03pm
wmapop700 wrote:
Hey Sherwood, Then don’t watch! Go get a beer and a hot dog. They have enough time in the program so let them race. There are...
Hey Sherwood, Then don’t watch! Go get a beer and a hot dog. They have enough time in the program so let them race. There are plenty of people who enjoy watching motocross no matter what class is on the track. I even like the little guys on the 50’s. I have been to every National in so cal the last several years, I can remember the 450's running the last race of the day and watching Glen Helen empty out before the race was half way over. Now the women ride last so People want to beat the traffic and start heading out, if it were a 125cc two stroke PRO/AM class the same thing would happen. They should run the Girls First before the track is beat to hell. They ride the track in its worst condition and then you want to give them crap for not being as fast?? They get faster every year and the National exposure helps them get the support they need to put the work in to get FASTER. Then there are Guys like you who want to pull the carpet out from under them and then criticize them… shows what type of guy you are. A lot of the young ladies out there have little to NO help, and none of them have anything like the top 10 men get except maybe Ashley. There are a bunch of very fast young girls very close to jumping in the women’s pro program. Taking them out of the National Program would be a big blow to steps they have made. If you truly would like to see them get faster, support them, cheer for them and help motivate them in a positive way. Stop beating them up like the Mini Dads so many of you complain about!!
JFalls
No one saying they're slow, or crap, or that they should just stop riding all together. Rup put it perfectly, they don't belong in the middle of the AMA mx series on Saturdays. Let them race on sunday or whatnot, by all means, but it's not a crowd attracter at all.

Bring on a 125 support class, or under 19's like the Aust MX series have.
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12/4/2011 7:07pm
wmapop700 wrote:
Hey Sherwood, Then don’t watch! Go get a beer and a hot dog. They have enough time in the program so let them race. There are...
Hey Sherwood, Then don’t watch! Go get a beer and a hot dog. They have enough time in the program so let them race. There are plenty of people who enjoy watching motocross no matter what class is on the track. I even like the little guys on the 50’s. I have been to every National in so cal the last several years, I can remember the 450's running the last race of the day and watching Glen Helen empty out before the race was half way over. Now the women ride last so People want to beat the traffic and start heading out, if it were a 125cc two stroke PRO/AM class the same thing would happen. They should run the Girls First before the track is beat to hell. They ride the track in its worst condition and then you want to give them crap for not being as fast?? They get faster every year and the National exposure helps them get the support they need to put the work in to get FASTER. Then there are Guys like you who want to pull the carpet out from under them and then criticize them… shows what type of guy you are. A lot of the young ladies out there have little to NO help, and none of them have anything like the top 10 men get except maybe Ashley. There are a bunch of very fast young girls very close to jumping in the women’s pro program. Taking them out of the National Program would be a big blow to steps they have made. If you truly would like to see them get faster, support them, cheer for them and help motivate them in a positive way. Stop beating them up like the Mini Dads so many of you complain about!!
JFalls
Fans make the sport and if the fans aren't interested, then so be it. You can't make people want to watch women race if their not into it.

You obviously have a bias "WMA pop" ......... Wink
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12/4/2011 7:14pm
wmapop700 wrote:
Hey Sherwood, Then don’t watch! Go get a beer and a hot dog. They have enough time in the program so let them race. There are...
Hey Sherwood, Then don’t watch! Go get a beer and a hot dog. They have enough time in the program so let them race. There are plenty of people who enjoy watching motocross no matter what class is on the track. I even like the little guys on the 50’s. I have been to every National in so cal the last several years, I can remember the 450's running the last race of the day and watching Glen Helen empty out before the race was half way over. Now the women ride last so People want to beat the traffic and start heading out, if it were a 125cc two stroke PRO/AM class the same thing would happen. They should run the Girls First before the track is beat to hell. They ride the track in its worst condition and then you want to give them crap for not being as fast?? They get faster every year and the National exposure helps them get the support they need to put the work in to get FASTER. Then there are Guys like you who want to pull the carpet out from under them and then criticize them… shows what type of guy you are. A lot of the young ladies out there have little to NO help, and none of them have anything like the top 10 men get except maybe Ashley. There are a bunch of very fast young girls very close to jumping in the women’s pro program. Taking them out of the National Program would be a big blow to steps they have made. If you truly would like to see them get faster, support them, cheer for them and help motivate them in a positive way. Stop beating them up like the Mini Dads so many of you complain about!!
JFalls
So how about 6 and 6? WMA and 125.
12/4/2011 7:30pm
Rupert X wrote:
I love women. I love motocross. I love women in motocross. They deserve to be in motocross and I want more involved. They DO NOT need...
I love women. I love motocross. I love women in motocross.

They deserve to be in motocross and I want more involved.

They DO NOT need to be racing in the midst of the Lucas Oils AMA National Motocross Series on Saturdays..

Imagine going to a Lakers-Celtics playoff game and they insert a WNBA game in the middle of it ?

Imagine telling Danica Patrick to go race in a women's series ? Stop the segregation !

It will be a good day when some of the women try to step and, one FINE DAY, a woman will make it in and compete

against the boys. And I'll be cheering for her. Until then, the WMA needs to go on their own.
So do you suggest shelving any type of "halftime" show?
12/5/2011 1:47am Edited Date/Time 12/5/2011 1:50am
lostboy819 wrote:
I rest my case, but then again I did enjoy watching this race because it was very entertaining but for all the wrong reasons. Yeah I...
I rest my case, but then again I did enjoy watching this race because it was very entertaining but for all the wrong reasons. Yeah I know I am a jackass but its just my nature.



Anybody who says the women are even close to as fast as the men and blind or stoned or both.
Shenzi wrote:
this is not motocross and most of you - maybe you included - wouldn't finish a lap around tat EX track. I don't believe anyone questions...
this is not motocross and most of you - maybe you included - wouldn't finish a lap around tat EX track.

I don't believe anyone questions the fact that women are as fast as men or close. I don't think this was even the point in having a WMX series.
Nope its not motocross but that one race made the whole world laugh at all women racers. I hope they do it again this year Woohoo and it does not matter what I think because DC is all for the WMX and they will get to race so good for them.
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12/5/2011 6:26am Edited Date/Time 12/5/2011 6:27am
Well, there is no avenue for suggestions. You have business owners in charge of the AMA races so nothin happens that they don't want. It's a money thing. The AMA business owners have friends who they depend on to make the races happen. If it's not in the interest of the AMA business owner's friends, then it won't happen.
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12/5/2011 6:40am
Rupert X wrote:
I love women. I love motocross. I love women in motocross. They deserve to be in motocross and I want more involved. They DO NOT need...
I love women. I love motocross. I love women in motocross.

They deserve to be in motocross and I want more involved.

They DO NOT need to be racing in the midst of the Lucas Oils AMA National Motocross Series on Saturdays..

Imagine going to a Lakers-Celtics playoff game and they insert a WNBA game in the middle of it ?

Imagine telling Danica Patrick to go race in a women's series ? Stop the segregation !

It will be a good day when some of the women try to step and, one FINE DAY, a woman will make it in and compete

against the boys. And I'll be cheering for her. Until then, the WMA needs to go on their own.
So do you suggest shelving any type of "halftime" show?
Sir, if we have practice, qualifiers and racing all day - as we should, there is no " HALF TIME SHOW".

If you read my FIVE YEAR PLAN, I have all the answers, including the integration of women into

the program. You can determine if they, for you - are the right answers. Cheers.
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all this talk about a 125 race is making me confused......
i think one can only race at a ama pro national if in hold of a pro license, and that can only be given to 16 years old kids......
so i guess the only way to have a really competitive 125 race is to change the all amature to pro program, or all you will get is riders that don't get to have a ride is the lites to try the 125 so that they can still be on the national showcase.......no competitive youngster would want to race a 2º class race when he can race the main race.......
so looking at the racing structure of classes and ages, this 125 race can only be held at amature national, where it is sured to have competitive kids going for the win.......in ama pro nationals a 125 race will always be raced by who doesn't make it to the main show.....and will end up like the girls....time to get a beer and a bite...!!!!!!!
the 125 under 18 works in mxgp cuz in europe we don't have the amature nationals and kids run their classes the same day and track as the country pros in all national championships, so its like a junior class and works as a steping stone for the kids to be noticed and make it to the big boys......
in usa a class like that can only work in the amatures, like it was anounced..!!!!!!! cuz i don't think they can let young amature kids race a class of a ama pro race....!!!!!!
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A: We need WMX. It's important for the growth of the sport. And maybe one day it will stand on its own (doubtful) but until then this is the best way to do it.
B: 125 outdoor series? On two brands of new bikes and three brands of five year old ones? That's just not viable and it's not going to draw factory level talent. Are local pros going to run out and buy these old bikes just so they can race them once a year in a one-moto race? You'd be better off making a six-race national series for minis or schoolboys if you want to get the talent out there.
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12/5/2011 7:52am
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A: We need WMX. It's important for the growth of the sport. And maybe one day it will stand on its own (doubtful) but until then...
A: We need WMX. It's important for the growth of the sport. And maybe one day it will stand on its own (doubtful) but until then this is the best way to do it.
B: 125 outdoor series? On two brands of new bikes and three brands of five year old ones? That's just not viable and it's not going to draw factory level talent. Are local pros going to run out and buy these old bikes just so they can race them once a year in a one-moto race? You'd be better off making a six-race national series for minis or schoolboys if you want to get the talent out there.
Women are the key to the future growth of the sport? Are you actually serious? At best, they are being used by MX Sports as a marketing tool. Period. And I would debate that it is even a marginal marketing tool. Women will never be more than 5% of the sport if it even gets that high. Heck it would be even lower if they didn't have Dad's who drag them into to it.

Supporting a reasonable entry level MX bike with a National series based on 125's is the what this sport needs.
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12/5/2011 8:16am
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A: We need WMX. It's important for the growth of the sport. And maybe one day it will stand on its own (doubtful) but until then...
A: We need WMX. It's important for the growth of the sport. And maybe one day it will stand on its own (doubtful) but until then this is the best way to do it.
B: 125 outdoor series? On two brands of new bikes and three brands of five year old ones? That's just not viable and it's not going to draw factory level talent. Are local pros going to run out and buy these old bikes just so they can race them once a year in a one-moto race? You'd be better off making a six-race national series for minis or schoolboys if you want to get the talent out there.
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Women are the key to the future growth of the sport? Are you actually serious? At best, they are being used by MX Sports as a...
Women are the key to the future growth of the sport? Are you actually serious? At best, they are being used by MX Sports as a marketing tool. Period. And I would debate that it is even a marginal marketing tool. Women will never be more than 5% of the sport if it even gets that high. Heck it would be even lower if they didn't have Dad's who drag them into to it.

Supporting a reasonable entry level MX bike with a National series based on 125's is the what this sport needs.
And right now there are only two brands of new 'reasonable entry level' MX bikes being sold. What level riders would show up to race this class? I'm willing to be they would be slower than the women, or at least the podium women.

There's nothing at all wrong with using the women as a marketing tool. That's like claiming that Kawasaki is using Villopoto to sell bikes. Ya think?

125s can only be revived if the amateur class structure gives them a viable home. Six races spread across the country isn't going to fix that. And I think there is definitely a need for them, because I wouldn't want my kid to go straight from a mini to a 250F either. The women aren't what is killing the 125s (actually women would be a pretty good market for them as well.)

And yes, I think that women are important to help grow the sport into the mainstream. I agree most girls are probably 2nd generation and have been around it because Dad does it. But it doesn't have to be that way and it isn't that way with the boys.
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12/5/2011 8:36am
Wow, who knew the simple, continued inclusion of a bonus class to the series for a group of athletes that has long been under-represented would turn into a burn(1986)-MX-Sports-at-the-stake thread, with WORCSRacer joining in to tell us what a bad job we're doing for the future of the sport? Oh wait, I guess all these threads do....

You guys do have "avenues for suggestions" right here, and both of you have my email address and my phone number, and so does Rupert and everyone else.... And yes, the women are "being used as a marketing tool by MX Sports," just as we are using Ryan Villopoto, Dean Wilson, Chad Reed, Ryan Dungey, Justin Barcia and every other athlete and team entered "are used as a marketing tool" because that's why they race, that's why they have sponsors -- to market themselves!

If you don't like the girls racing so badly that it's ruining motocross for you, may I suggest just going and hanging out in the pits for those 30 or 40 minutes, or go enjoy a snack at your campsite, or just bury your head in your hands and think about the things you do want to see.... No one is paying extra to watch the girls, and a lot of other people happen to think they are very good for the sport in general. I am proud to have them in the series and hope we can help them grow.

DC
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12/5/2011 8:52am
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And right now there are only two brands of new 'reasonable entry level' MX bikes being sold. What level riders would show up to race this...
And right now there are only two brands of new 'reasonable entry level' MX bikes being sold. What level riders would show up to race this class? I'm willing to be they would be slower than the women, or at least the podium women.

There's nothing at all wrong with using the women as a marketing tool. That's like claiming that Kawasaki is using Villopoto to sell bikes. Ya think?

125s can only be revived if the amateur class structure gives them a viable home. Six races spread across the country isn't going to fix that. And I think there is definitely a need for them, because I wouldn't want my kid to go straight from a mini to a 250F either. The women aren't what is killing the 125s (actually women would be a pretty good market for them as well.)

And yes, I think that women are important to help grow the sport into the mainstream. I agree most girls are probably 2nd generation and have been around it because Dad does it. But it doesn't have to be that way and it isn't that way with the boys.
Ok first there are at LEAST four manufacturers of 125cc Motocrossers. Regarding their speed... I'll put my money that any sharp local intermediate would be able to top ten or better with out much issue in the WMX.

By marketing tool I don't mean to sell bikes. Women are not a market for MX bikes at least not 250f and up... MX Sports thinks they broaden the appeal of MX. Apparently not enough to put them on TV (unless it's a tightly edited results piece) but because they can add it to the marketing proposal to potential sponsors of the series. "see we have a womens class"... IMO they would be better off building a Danica Patrick out of someone like Vicky Golden instead of pulling the WMX collective skirt up to show they are not as a organization ready for the big show.

The 125 class does have National (and international) support. Schoolboy?? Hello... Most tracks out here still have a 125 class too.

Finally yes today most new riders are introduced to it. However MX was founded by people who found the sport on their own and that type of new rider still is around today. Boys/Men will find MX on their own, women almost always are introduced via Dads, brothers, boyfriends... I'd say for every 50 guys who "discover" MX on their own there MIGHT, MIGHT be 1 woman who does. Women are not the future to increasing rider/racer count.
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12/5/2011 8:56am Edited Date/Time 12/5/2011 9:08am
HA HA! Oh come on, you've heard it over and over. Davey, We've made suggestions (not just the petition change), but I quite honestly don't feel you have the power to make any of these changes, unless the OEMs approve of them. I am glad you come on here, though and give us explanations on schedules and upcoming events and such. I think you would like to see some different stuff yourself, but are in a tight spot to make them happen.
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12/5/2011 9:06am
DC wrote:
Wow, who knew the simple, continued inclusion of a bonus class to the series for a group of athletes that has long been under-represented would turn...
Wow, who knew the simple, continued inclusion of a bonus class to the series for a group of athletes that has long been under-represented would turn into a burn(1986)-MX-Sports-at-the-stake thread, with WORCSRacer joining in to tell us what a bad job we're doing for the future of the sport? Oh wait, I guess all these threads do....

You guys do have "avenues for suggestions" right here, and both of you have my email address and my phone number, and so does Rupert and everyone else.... And yes, the women are "being used as a marketing tool by MX Sports," just as we are using Ryan Villopoto, Dean Wilson, Chad Reed, Ryan Dungey, Justin Barcia and every other athlete and team entered "are used as a marketing tool" because that's why they race, that's why they have sponsors -- to market themselves!

If you don't like the girls racing so badly that it's ruining motocross for you, may I suggest just going and hanging out in the pits for those 30 or 40 minutes, or go enjoy a snack at your campsite, or just bury your head in your hands and think about the things you do want to see.... No one is paying extra to watch the girls, and a lot of other people happen to think they are very good for the sport in general. I am proud to have them in the series and hope we can help them grow.

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Hey DC I'm not telling you you're doing a bad job running MX Sports. I'm voicing an alternate opinion as to how it could (IMO) provide support for a just as under-represented segment of MX, the 125 class. It also just might help the industry as a whole too because for almost 40 years 125 two strokes were the gateway to MX. What is it now?
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12/5/2011 9:11am
DC wrote:
Wow, who knew the simple, continued inclusion of a bonus class to the series for a group of athletes that has long been under-represented would turn...
Wow, who knew the simple, continued inclusion of a bonus class to the series for a group of athletes that has long been under-represented would turn into a burn(1986)-MX-Sports-at-the-stake thread, with WORCSRacer joining in to tell us what a bad job we're doing for the future of the sport? Oh wait, I guess all these threads do....

You guys do have "avenues for suggestions" right here, and both of you have my email address and my phone number, and so does Rupert and everyone else.... And yes, the women are "being used as a marketing tool by MX Sports," just as we are using Ryan Villopoto, Dean Wilson, Chad Reed, Ryan Dungey, Justin Barcia and every other athlete and team entered "are used as a marketing tool" because that's why they race, that's why they have sponsors -- to market themselves!

If you don't like the girls racing so badly that it's ruining motocross for you, may I suggest just going and hanging out in the pits for those 30 or 40 minutes, or go enjoy a snack at your campsite, or just bury your head in your hands and think about the things you do want to see.... No one is paying extra to watch the girls, and a lot of other people happen to think they are very good for the sport in general. I am proud to have them in the series and hope we can help them grow.

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Look, the only reason you're getting bashed is because your on here and none of the other AMA guys or promoters are. So let me say, thanks for coming on and at least giving your side.
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12/5/2011 9:18am Edited Date/Time 12/5/2011 9:22am
I am in a tight spot, Burn, but I accept the responsibility and ultimately the blame when things don't work out right. I had a little bit to do with that Two-Stroke class at Loretta Lynn's, and so did Michael Sleeter from KTM, who, ironically, happens to be one of the former pros that some people want to throw out of the age classes at Loretta Lynn's because, well, he's a former pro.... So some other thread wants to knock out the guy who should be complimented on this thread for helping get some traction for a Two-Stroke class. It's a can't-win-for-losing proposition here. I could just do without all of the stupid remarks....

Unless they are actually funny too. Then it's just good bench-racing debate and not personal insult time.

DC
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GuyB
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12/5/2011 9:28am
Rupert X wrote:
Sir, if we have practice, qualifiers and racing all day - as we should, there is no " HALF TIME SHOW". If you read my FIVE...
Sir, if we have practice, qualifiers and racing all day - as we should, there is no " HALF TIME SHOW".

If you read my FIVE YEAR PLAN, I have all the answers, including the integration of women into

the program. You can determine if they, for you - are the right answers. Cheers.
Rup, I love ya, but anyone I generally distrust anyone who claims to have "all the answers."

Typically that means that they have all the answers to suit their agenda. Wink
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12/5/2011 9:46am
DC wrote:
I am in a tight spot, Burn, but I accept the responsibility and ultimately the blame when things don't work out right. I had a little...
I am in a tight spot, Burn, but I accept the responsibility and ultimately the blame when things don't work out right. I had a little bit to do with that Two-Stroke class at Loretta Lynn's, and so did Michael Sleeter from KTM, who, ironically, happens to be one of the former pros that some people want to throw out of the age classes at Loretta Lynn's because, well, he's a former pro.... So some other thread wants to knock out the guy who should be complimented on this thread for helping get some traction for a Two-Stroke class. It's a can't-win-for-losing proposition here. I could just do without all of the stupid remarks....

Unless they are actually funny too. Then it's just good bench-racing debate and not personal insult time.

DC
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Well, I think we're all seeing that the sport is changing out of our control, and spiraling upwards in racing costs and feasibility. And so there's a tendency to try and press a door open that may not be there.

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