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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 2:07pm
I wonder if anyone is working on Electric Conversion for cars and trucks? Damn we were supposed to have flying cars by now.
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roosty 6/12/2008 7:42pm
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I saw a article somewhere that Neil Young and some guy, forget his name are working on it.Neil is donating money and the guy is doing the work of course.They converted one of Neils classic cars and Neil said it ran good,but their are some glitches.At least someone is trying.
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rubarb 6/12/2008 7:54pm
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I want a diesel converted to run off of rec'd vegetable oil, like Keith Malloy!!!!
el moto diablo 6/13/2008 3:26am
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Then your Patagonia wetsuit would smell like french fries.
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crowe176 6/13/2008 4:54am
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rubarb wrote:
I want a diesel converted to run off of rec'd vegetable oil, like Keith Malloy!!!!
My neighbor has a benz that smells like BBQ ribs and onion rings.

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Not a conversion, but I saw an ad for an electric car that has real high performance and is very advanced. But if you read through the specs, it has a range of 225 miles between charges. That sounds pretty good until you consider that the range is undoubtedly at optimum conditions - that range likely drops considerably when it's used in town, like a commuter does (constantly stopping and starting, never run at a steady state for long). So if you assume a max range of more like 175 miles, that means you can never go more than 80 miles or so from your house (keeping in mind that you sure as heck don't want to slightly underestimate and push it home). To me, that's just not a practical car - but I guess it depends on your driving habits.
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ocscottie 6/13/2008 9:42am
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Tiki, trip out on this tech they may implement in F1 racing, pretty interesting stuff:

Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS)

A system that is designed to recover kinetic energy from the car during braking, store that energy and make it available to propel the car.

Formula 1 is set for dramatic change with the introduction of new rules which permit the use of energy recovery systems from 2009. The goal is to make Formula 1 more relevant to the latest developments in energy-efficient road car engineering by promoting technologies to recover the energy currently wasted during braking.

Zytek have won a two year contract to develop and supply KERS for the 2009 season, when the regulations permitting the use of hybrid auxiliary drives become effective. Zytek had discussions with a number of F1 teams but finally agreed an exclusive deal with one team. The programme is in three phases of development: Bench/dyno system, Mule car development, and culminates with the development of a fully ‘Race-ready’ system.

The new regulations pose significant engineering challenges and there are many options to store and use the energy, such as high speed flywheels, hydraulics, pneumatics or electric drives. The system must recover and store energy under braking, and then release the energy on command by the driver.

The new regulations offer engineers a technology ‘clean sheet’ with very few constraints. There are no weight restrictions for the system, although energy can only be captured or released at a maximum rate of 60 kW, and a maximum of 400 kJ can be stored in any one lap. KERS energy can, for example, be released during a period of acceleration, and its use may be particularly advantageous when exiting corners or for tricky overtaking manoeuvres.

With a short development timeframe before the introduction of KERS, Zytek are focussed on developing and delivering a competitive system for the 2009 F1 season.
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Rooster 6/13/2008 9:43am
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Most peoples commutes and daily driving habits total less than 80 miles a day.

They can't do everything, but what they do, they do well.
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ocscottie wrote:
Tiki, trip out on this tech they may implement in F1 racing, pretty interesting stuff: Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS) A system that is designed to...
Tiki, trip out on this tech they may implement in F1 racing, pretty interesting stuff:

Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS)

A system that is designed to recover kinetic energy from the car during braking, store that energy and make it available to propel the car.

Formula 1 is set for dramatic change with the introduction of new rules which permit the use of energy recovery systems from 2009. The goal is to make Formula 1 more relevant to the latest developments in energy-efficient road car engineering by promoting technologies to recover the energy currently wasted during braking.

Zytek have won a two year contract to develop and supply KERS for the 2009 season, when the regulations permitting the use of hybrid auxiliary drives become effective. Zytek had discussions with a number of F1 teams but finally agreed an exclusive deal with one team. The programme is in three phases of development: Bench/dyno system, Mule car development, and culminates with the development of a fully ‘Race-ready’ system.

The new regulations pose significant engineering challenges and there are many options to store and use the energy, such as high speed flywheels, hydraulics, pneumatics or electric drives. The system must recover and store energy under braking, and then release the energy on command by the driver.

The new regulations offer engineers a technology ‘clean sheet’ with very few constraints. There are no weight restrictions for the system, although energy can only be captured or released at a maximum rate of 60 kW, and a maximum of 400 kJ can be stored in any one lap. KERS energy can, for example, be released during a period of acceleration, and its use may be particularly advantageous when exiting corners or for tricky overtaking manoeuvres.

With a short development timeframe before the introduction of KERS, Zytek are focussed on developing and delivering a competitive system for the 2009 F1 season.
Trains are doing that now, too. For years, trains have used "dynamic braking" which changed their power units from electrical-draw to electrical-generators, adding drag to the wheels and helping control speed. For years, the power generated was converted to heat and dissipated through heat fins. Now, they're using the power to charge batteries and assist in propulsion. Great idea, but I'd like to see those batteries. Must be gi-normous.
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mxmiken 6/13/2008 10:19am
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they had an electric car show on CNN just the other day..the best one was the TESLA car..batteries are getting better and smaller
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ocscottie wrote:
Tiki, trip out on this tech they may implement in F1 racing, pretty interesting stuff: Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS) A system that is designed to...
Tiki, trip out on this tech they may implement in F1 racing, pretty interesting stuff:

Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS)

A system that is designed to recover kinetic energy from the car during braking, store that energy and make it available to propel the car.

Formula 1 is set for dramatic change with the introduction of new rules which permit the use of energy recovery systems from 2009. The goal is to make Formula 1 more relevant to the latest developments in energy-efficient road car engineering by promoting technologies to recover the energy currently wasted during braking.

Zytek have won a two year contract to develop and supply KERS for the 2009 season, when the regulations permitting the use of hybrid auxiliary drives become effective. Zytek had discussions with a number of F1 teams but finally agreed an exclusive deal with one team. The programme is in three phases of development: Bench/dyno system, Mule car development, and culminates with the development of a fully ‘Race-ready’ system.

The new regulations pose significant engineering challenges and there are many options to store and use the energy, such as high speed flywheels, hydraulics, pneumatics or electric drives. The system must recover and store energy under braking, and then release the energy on command by the driver.

The new regulations offer engineers a technology ‘clean sheet’ with very few constraints. There are no weight restrictions for the system, although energy can only be captured or released at a maximum rate of 60 kW, and a maximum of 400 kJ can be stored in any one lap. KERS energy can, for example, be released during a period of acceleration, and its use may be particularly advantageous when exiting corners or for tricky overtaking manoeuvres.

With a short development timeframe before the introduction of KERS, Zytek are focussed on developing and delivering a competitive system for the 2009 F1 season.
WhKnuckle wrote:
Trains are doing that now, too. For years, trains have used "dynamic braking" which changed their power units from electrical-draw to electrical-generators, adding drag to the...
Trains are doing that now, too. For years, trains have used "dynamic braking" which changed their power units from electrical-draw to electrical-generators, adding drag to the wheels and helping control speed. For years, the power generated was converted to heat and dissipated through heat fins. Now, they're using the power to charge batteries and assist in propulsion. Great idea, but I'd like to see those batteries. Must be gi-normous.
I recall reading that they have this technology in public transportation buses. I was thinking that it's a mechanical energy storage of some kind, but it might be electrical.

Either way, it seems like a pretty good idea.
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Tiki wrote:
I wonder if anyone is working on Electric Conversion for cars and trucks? Damn we were supposed to have flying cars by now.
Flying cars? Folks around here are dangerous enough on just one plane. Start throwing altitude into it and it would be messy.

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Rooster wrote:
Most peoples commutes and daily driving habits total less than 80 miles a day.

They can't do everything, but what they do, they do well.
I'll say. In a week my drives to work and church don't even add up to 80 miles.
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WhKnuckle 6/14/2008 6:52am
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Rooster wrote:
Most peoples commutes and daily driving habits total less than 80 miles a day.

They can't do everything, but what they do, they do well.
SteveS wrote:
I'll say. In a week my drives to work and church don't even add up to 80 miles.
Yes, it just depends on your driving habits. It wouldn't work for me because I sometimes commute to my office downtown (60 miles round trip) but sometimes work in our power plants, which are all over Texas (actually all over the US but I rarely drive outside Texas/Louisiana/Oklahoma/Arkansas). If a person could live with that range, electric cars could be incredibly good - right now, power production has to be much higher during the day than at night, and a huge amount of inefficiency results from starting up and shutting down power generation. But if we had several million cars charging up every night, we wouldn't have to shut down so much generation then.
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Tiki 6/14/2008 7:48am
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Scottie,
I heard that BMW has planned a hybrid F1 for 2009, I wonder if its the same thing you are on to.
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Same rule change, different method to achieve the end.

The two British companies are storing the energy mechanically and using variable viscosity fluids to transmit the power back into the drive when called for.

BMW is working on capacitor and battery storage with electric motor supplement.
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I was talking to a guy about this 15 years ago. The idea is to use a heavy flywheel. When the brake pedal is depressed the first thing that happens is the cars momentum is used to spin up the flywheel. It would act much like engine breaking. The brakes would only be used to actually stop the car. When the car is ready to go again the spinning flywheel is the first energy source used to get it going. In my opinion the gains would be offset by the added weight. I think it might be functional in a city bus because they are constantly starting and stopping.

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