Why aren't the moto journo's asking?

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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 4:41pm
What the circumstances are behind Andrew shorts injuries? It seems to be a completely taboo subject that no one is willing to get into. Was there a non-disclosure clause in Shorty's contract that prevents him from spilling the beans? Are people told that they will be black balled if they breach the subject? Can you imagine NASCAR keeping secrets like this?


Anyone know what happened?

Did the bike break in half?

Did the bars fall of the bike in mid air?

Did he fall of the bike while sitting in the pits?
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CamP 11/21/2011 5:47pm
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I heard that his engine locked up mid flight.
Moto East Mag 11/21/2011 5:48pm
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Let's see- we've heard the specific reason for the last 500 injuries we've heard about...and this one is total silence, because Short isn't talking. What conclusion would you draw?
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MotoChief 11/21/2011 5:55pm
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Moto East Mag wrote:
Let's see- we've heard the specific reason for the last 500 injuries we've heard about...and this one is total silence, because Short isn't talking. What conclusion...
Let's see- we've heard the specific reason for the last 500 injuries we've heard about...and this one is total silence, because Short isn't talking. What conclusion would you draw?
So have you asked?
Moto East Mag 11/21/2011 6:06pm
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Moto East Mag wrote:
Let's see- we've heard the specific reason for the last 500 injuries we've heard about...and this one is total silence, because Short isn't talking. What conclusion...
Let's see- we've heard the specific reason for the last 500 injuries we've heard about...and this one is total silence, because Short isn't talking. What conclusion would you draw?
MotoChief wrote:
So have you asked?
Who me? I don't move in those circles. Call Matthes tonight.

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Ask and risk being banned by the "industry"
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Everything is always a secret in this sport period...
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Cygnus 11/21/2011 6:13pm
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We will never know for sure. I just hope he is fixed and can put the Honda on the podium.
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GuyB 11/21/2011 6:16pm
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I asked two KTM people. One person said, "Ah, well, it was a hot day, and the track was really slippery." The other said, "It was a mechanical."
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nornevrder 11/21/2011 6:17pm
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Was it on the 450 or 350?
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stackman17 11/21/2011 6:43pm
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I thought on Inside Moto he stated it was mechanical on the new 450, thus he selected the 350.
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mooch 11/21/2011 6:48pm
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stackman17 wrote:
I thought on Inside Moto he stated it was mechanical on the new 450, thus he selected the 350.
I don't think his comment on inside the moto about preferring the 350 over the 450 had anything to do with this injury.
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jhansen510 11/21/2011 7:04pm
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stackman17 wrote:
I thought on Inside Moto he stated it was mechanical on the new 450, thus he selected the 350.
WTF? You do realize his injury came at the end of the season right.
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GuyB wrote:
I asked two KTM people. One person said, "Ah, well, it was a hot day, and the track was really slippery." The other said, "It was...
I asked two KTM people. One person said, "Ah, well, it was a hot day, and the track was really slippery." The other said, "It was a mechanical."
Gibby, since everyone is hush hush about what went wrong with Pala, have any drum beats? No, I don't care about tractors, but what went wrong with the Nationals?
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GuyB 11/21/2011 7:45pm
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What's wrong with the National there? From what I understand, they've lost money on it both years. They put in an awful lot of work (moving hillsides, plowing and then rebuilding some of their other tracks to make the pit area), and did things like bring in the grandstands.

I've also heard tales of money disputes between MX Sports and the Pala management.
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swap 11/21/2011 11:29pm
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I asked Short what happened and he said that they were testing some experimental stuff and the bike quit and caused him to crash. Left it at that.
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GuyB wrote:
What's wrong with the National there? From what I understand, they've lost money on it both years. They put in an awful lot of work (moving...
What's wrong with the National there? From what I understand, they've lost money on it both years. They put in an awful lot of work (moving hillsides, plowing and then rebuilding some of their other tracks to make the pit area), and did things like bring in the grandstands.

I've also heard tales of money disputes between MX Sports and the Pala management.
did you want me to move this to the correct thread for you?
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Jake-247 11/22/2011 1:15am
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Why is everyone so interested in Shorts crash?

Is it because he was riding a KTM?
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zookrider62! 11/22/2011 5:42am
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Jake-247 wrote:
Why is everyone so interested in Shorts crash?

Is it because he was riding a KTM?
Probably because it is one of the only crashes that no one will say what happened

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MotoChief 11/22/2011 6:19am
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Jake-247 wrote:
Why is everyone so interested in Shorts crash?

Is it because he was riding a KTM?
zookrider62! wrote:
Probably because it is one of the only crashes that no one will say what happened
Yup, the secrecy about it seems out of place in today's day and age. Everyone understands that shit breaks and riders screw up. If it was as simple as that, wouldn't they talk about it. By not talking about it they make it seem like something nefarious and possibly damning to someone or something.
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Nobody is talking about it because there is no story. Short's bike had a mechanical issue, end of story.

Now get better and win a few next season, Shorty.
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newmann 11/22/2011 6:53am
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Seems as if Shorty said he was doing his job testing new stuff and had a mechanical. Good thing no one else in this sport has ever suffered an injury while doing their job.
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Jake-247 wrote:
Why is everyone so interested in Shorts crash?

Is it because he was riding a KTM?
Yea cuz NO other bike has had mechanicals while testing.... Those POS KTM's. The ONLY bike that has mechanicals.... Who would ever ride one?
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Shenzi 11/22/2011 7:20am
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swap wrote:
I asked Short what happened and he said that they were testing some experimental stuff and the bike quit and caused him to crash. Left it...
I asked Short what happened and he said that they were testing some experimental stuff and the bike quit and caused him to crash. Left it at that.
and that's enough info.

What the f all this 'conspiracy theory' crap on here. No one is "hiding" that he crashed, none is hiding that it was a mechanical (like Pourcel's chain mechanical resulting in his spectacular crash).
Everybody knows it was a mechanics that resulted in an OTB. What's the point of the thread? blame KTM? ok, so what?

Shit happens in MX and SX, this is a dangerous sport, sometimes you screw up, sometimes someone screws up and takes you out, sometimes your horse screws up.
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Rupert X 11/22/2011 7:37am
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Chief, I'd like to get the secrecy out of motocross (and Supercross too) and there's a thousand different questions

that are of more pressing interest - to me, anyways...

1. The REAL TRUTH on Larry and Stewi situation...and Reed...
2. The REAL TRUTH on this whole PALA mess
3. The REAL TRUTH on what ECOAST track is being abandoned Mt Morris ? Steel City ?
4. The REAL TRUTH on this whole SouthEast track decide-a-thon
5. The REAL TRUTH on what went down with Glen & Helen's place
6. The REAL TRUTH on what's going on with Barber Motorsports Park and its' worlds greatest track
7. The REAL TRUTH on why we can't have real motocross races- vice these faggy timed qualifiers
8. The REAL TRUTH on why we MUST have Women's races stuffed into the PROgram.
9. The REAL TRUTH on why America (Red Bud?) got RIPPED off of the 2013 promised Des Nations
10. The REAL TRUTH on why JLAW isn't racing at the top pro level anymore ?
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MotoChief 11/22/2011 7:45am
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Rupert X wrote:
Chief, I'd like to get the secrecy out of motocross (and Supercross too) and there's a thousand different questions that are of more pressing interest -...
Chief, I'd like to get the secrecy out of motocross (and Supercross too) and there's a thousand different questions

that are of more pressing interest - to me, anyways...

1. The REAL TRUTH on Larry and Stewi situation...and Reed...
2. The REAL TRUTH on this whole PALA mess
3. The REAL TRUTH on what ECOAST track is being abandoned Mt Morris ? Steel City ?
4. The REAL TRUTH on this whole SouthEast track decide-a-thon
5. The REAL TRUTH on what went down with Glen & Helen's place
6. The REAL TRUTH on what's going on with Barber Motorsports Park and its' worlds greatest track
7. The REAL TRUTH on why we can't have real motocross races- vice these faggy timed qualifiers
8. The REAL TRUTH on why we MUST have Women's races stuffed into the PROgram.
9. The REAL TRUTH on why America (Red Bud?) got RIPPED off of the 2013 promised Des Nations
10. The REAL TRUTH on why JLAW isn't racing at the top pro level anymore ?
Agreed, but if the truth isn't coming out about something small and seemingly insignificant then what chance do we have about the big stuff.
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Sandberm 11/22/2011 7:48am
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Its the perception that Andrew Short was being a test rider for Ryan Dungey. Its the perception that Short was testing a bike with radical components that might break and that Andrew was in essence being a crash test dummy for Dunge.

Andrew, if KTM did not resign him, was testing stuff that he would never get any benefit from out on the track.

Thats the image that I get.
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mark_swart 11/22/2011 7:55am
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Sandberm wrote:
Its the perception that Andrew Short was being a test rider for Ryan Dungey. Its the perception that Short was testing a bike with radical components...
Its the perception that Andrew Short was being a test rider for Ryan Dungey. Its the perception that Short was testing a bike with radical components that might break and that Andrew was in essence being a crash test dummy for Dunge.

Andrew, if KTM did not resign him, was testing stuff that he would never get any benefit from out on the track.

Thats the image that I get.
I think the engine was out of their enduro bike, so I doubt 'radical' is completely accurate, but you have very good points on the rest.
I'm just glad that career wise, Short landed on his feet. Seems like such a good guy and I'm glad that he will be staying on a top level team.
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GuyB 11/22/2011 8:12am
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swap wrote:
I asked Short what happened and he said that they were testing some experimental stuff and the bike quit and caused him to crash. Left it...
I asked Short what happened and he said that they were testing some experimental stuff and the bike quit and caused him to crash. Left it at that.
Shenzi wrote:
and that's enough info. What the f all this 'conspiracy theory' crap on here. No one is "hiding" that he crashed, none is hiding that it...
and that's enough info.

What the f all this 'conspiracy theory' crap on here. No one is "hiding" that he crashed, none is hiding that it was a mechanical (like Pourcel's chain mechanical resulting in his spectacular crash).
Everybody knows it was a mechanics that resulted in an OTB. What's the point of the thread? blame KTM? ok, so what?

Shit happens in MX and SX, this is a dangerous sport, sometimes you screw up, sometimes someone screws up and takes you out, sometimes your horse screws up.
Ding, ding, ding
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MotoChief 11/22/2011 8:15am
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swap wrote:
I asked Short what happened and he said that they were testing some experimental stuff and the bike quit and caused him to crash. Left it...
I asked Short what happened and he said that they were testing some experimental stuff and the bike quit and caused him to crash. Left it at that.
Shenzi wrote:
and that's enough info. What the f all this 'conspiracy theory' crap on here. No one is "hiding" that he crashed, none is hiding that it...
and that's enough info.

What the f all this 'conspiracy theory' crap on here. No one is "hiding" that he crashed, none is hiding that it was a mechanical (like Pourcel's chain mechanical resulting in his spectacular crash).
Everybody knows it was a mechanics that resulted in an OTB. What's the point of the thread? blame KTM? ok, so what?

Shit happens in MX and SX, this is a dangerous sport, sometimes you screw up, sometimes someone screws up and takes you out, sometimes your horse screws up.
GuyB wrote:
Ding, ding, ding
Move along now.


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I'm living on a military pension, and, occasionally, a groundskeeper's meager salary, if someone, anyone, is willing

to put $80 grand a year, plus my travel expenses ( must stay at Embassy Suites, MUST), cell phone and liquor bills,

I will GLADLY scour the country, hound the riders and teams , make THOSE phone calls no one is willing to make,

ASK those questions nobody is willing to ask and, muckrake and make myself (more so) a pain in everybody's ass

and get you guys ALL the motocross truths - that we ALL desire.

Knowing that is NOT going to happen, and you can see why we are in this situation.

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