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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 6:33pm
F's so much fun to watch. Is it because there is no real set pattern on who will do well? Other than RV for the most part you never know who is going to be fast week to week.
Plus I just enjoy watching those guys work their bikes around the track.
I really wish they just had one 250 class where the factories could bring works bikes and then a stock class for the new guys.
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al8 6/5/2008 7:54am
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Why are the 450?
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Larry 6/5/2008 7:59am
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al8 wrote:
Why are the 450?
such a drag? because only 2 or 3 people on the planet can ride them at the limit.
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Down with the 4 stroke

Had to be done just Had too.
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"I really wish they just had one 250 class where the factories could bring works bikes and then a stock class for the new guys."

There a lot to be said for that. I think the racing is better because they're wringing them out and not so preoccupied with controlling the bike. Bigger guys would suffer, though, unless you had some sort of weight handicapping. Then you've got more rules for people to get high strung about and it's getting more complicated.

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G-man 6/5/2008 12:39pm
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Like I said about the GH 450 race it seemed like a parade, no outrageous line choice, passing or stuffing. With one rider at another level it made for a BORING race I hate to say.

Reminded of the waning days of the 500 nationals, when only a few riders could really ride the BEASTS to their potential. The 250 class was more exciting back then too.
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yzvet426 6/5/2008 12:49pm
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The lights guys throw caution to the wind and ride way more aggressively if you ask me. they don't seem to mind getting out of shape and "rubbin"
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Larry wrote:
F's so much fun to watch. Is it because there is no real set pattern on who will do well? Other than RV for the most...
F's so much fun to watch. Is it because there is no real set pattern on who will do well? Other than RV for the most part you never know who is going to be fast week to week.
Plus I just enjoy watching those guys work their bikes around the track.
I really wish they just had one 250 class where the factories could bring works bikes and then a stock class for the new guys.
Depends on your definition of "fun", I suppose. Watching the four Honda Red Bull team members fight for third at GH was fun while it lasted, too. But watching James tackle that sand section, trying new lines late in the second moto was also fun... for those in attendance. I hear they didn't show that on TV. Shame, that....

I'm not buying that "450s are too beastly" argument for one minute. Even the area code privateers can ride the wheels off of those bikes.

If your definition of "fun" is multiple lead changes, then we'll need to put some pressure on the 450 field to "step it up" and stop taking the beatdown. James took some time to defend his competition, but at some point one has to ask them "You guys spend a lot of time and money training and testing... so are you gonna do something about James or what?"
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I believe that the 250f class have a bunch of young hungry riders. plus the whole "only a few can ride a 450 to it potential" is BS, I rode my 450 to its limits and have actually wanted more power granted this was desert riding, for supercross I think they need to get rid of the 450 class and go with 250f only and have just two divisions
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The 250f riders still race because they love the sport. You don't see any 250f sx only deals. The big boy class is more concerned about safety and the money and are burnt out on the amount of work/training/travel. Its still new and fun for the young guns.
The current AMA point system is also to blame for the lack of competition. They let guys stay in the lites class way too long and even win the title 3 times before moving them up. The lites class would be better without RV and the 450 class would be better with him. Next year he moves up just in time for Stewart to go SX only.


suzukirm12594 6/5/2008 5:07pm
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Kuz they can ride "wide open" on the throttle. And most of them are kids...Theyre crazy and theyre tryin to prove to everyone that theyre the best ...The 450 guys ride smart while the 250 guys ride crazy.
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
"I really wish they just had one 250 class where the factories could bring works bikes and then a stock class for the new guys." There...
"I really wish they just had one 250 class where the factories could bring works bikes and then a stock class for the new guys."

There a lot to be said for that. I think the racing is better because they're wringing them out and not so preoccupied with controlling the bike. Bigger guys would suffer, though, unless you had some sort of weight handicapping. Then you've got more rules for people to get high strung about and it's getting more complicated.
350F.

And allow the 250T back in using whatever fuel they want.

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FreshTopEnd wrote:
"I really wish they just had one 250 class where the factories could bring works bikes and then a stock class for the new guys." There...
"I really wish they just had one 250 class where the factories could bring works bikes and then a stock class for the new guys."

There a lot to be said for that. I think the racing is better because they're wringing them out and not so preoccupied with controlling the bike. Bigger guys would suffer, though, unless you had some sort of weight handicapping. Then you've got more rules for people to get high strung about and it's getting more complicated.
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350F.

And allow the 250T back in using whatever fuel they want.

Amen, brother. That would be perfect. And for Lites, maybe 200F/125T.

As far as the riding style for 450s vs 250s, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that a 450 is a lot of bike to ride 35 minutes real aggressively. Tiring, for sure. It's a lot like the old 500Ts, you have to ride smoothly, with wide, flowing lines and not too much cut and thrust. It's not so much that the bike won't respond to agressive riding, but that it takes too much rider energy.
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KTM boy 137 6/6/2008 6:00am
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G-man wrote:
Like I said about the GH 450 race it seemed like a parade, no outrageous line choice, passing or stuffing. With one rider at another level...
Like I said about the GH 450 race it seemed like a parade, no outrageous line choice, passing or stuffing. With one rider at another level it made for a BORING race I hate to say.

Reminded of the waning days of the 500 nationals, when only a few riders could really ride the BEASTS to their potential. The 250 class was more exciting back then too.
kinda like when guys ride in classes that they shouldn't be in just to get trophies?

I hear ya there.
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Larry 6/6/2008 7:11am
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RMZTim wrote:
I believe that the 250f class have a bunch of young hungry riders. plus the whole "only a few can ride a 450 to it potential"...
I believe that the 250f class have a bunch of young hungry riders. plus the whole "only a few can ride a 450 to it potential" is BS, I rode my 450 to its limits and have actually wanted more power granted this was desert riding, for supercross I think they need to get rid of the 450 class and go with 250f only and have just two divisions
You should be in Texas this weekend if you can ride that 450 to its full potential.
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Larry 6/6/2008 7:15am
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Pdub wrote:
Depends on your definition of "fun", I suppose. Watching the four Honda Red Bull team members fight for third at GH was fun while it lasted...
Depends on your definition of "fun", I suppose. Watching the four Honda Red Bull team members fight for third at GH was fun while it lasted, too. But watching James tackle that sand section, trying new lines late in the second moto was also fun... for those in attendance. I hear they didn't show that on TV. Shame, that....

I'm not buying that "450s are too beastly" argument for one minute. Even the area code privateers can ride the wheels off of those bikes.

If your definition of "fun" is multiple lead changes, then we'll need to put some pressure on the 450 field to "step it up" and stop taking the beatdown. James took some time to defend his competition, but at some point one has to ask them "You guys spend a lot of time and money training and testing... so are you gonna do something about James or what?"
It was more fun watching RV with a big lead than watching JS with a big lead.
I noticed this in SX also, they can just do a lot more creative things on the 250 f's.
Even back in the 70's I thought the smaller bikes were more fun to watch.
The only place that I enjoy watching or riding big bikes are on true old school GP tracks.

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