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All I have to add is that 41 means a whole lot to Trey, and he's honored to run it.
A great example of when this system works...
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I've just always been of the opinion that the top guys should run the lowest numbers. You race to be Number 1 and your number should...
I've just always been of the opinion that the top guys should run the lowest numbers.

You race to be Number 1 and your number should be used as a reference to how close you came to achieving it the previous year.
Absolutely agree. Permanent numbers are ridiculous and make no sense to anyone new to the sport.

In my opinion.
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The Lites class in SX is an entertaining undercard to the main event, so why turn it into a national class now? And Trip, why would...
The Lites class in SX is an entertaining undercard to the main event, so why turn it into a national class now? And Trip, why would Mitch Payton sign four guys to race one class in SX? He puts them all out there in MX because he's signed them for the year. If he could get away with only two, or even three -- like all of the 450 teams -- he would only save money, and that's what most smart businessmen do. Right now they have two per region to better their chances of having a bike out there and a shot at wins if the other guy gets hurt. If there was only one national series he wouldn't need all of those guys. (And maybe he keeps them all in outdoors because there are three times as many races -- 24 motos compared to eight mains -- which means three times as many opportunities for wins as well as injuries.)

I do think it's unfortunate that guys sometimes get advanced at the wrong time -- Mike Jones was the worst victim of this, as he never even won a main event but then got sent up without a ride due to the points structure at the time -- but otherwise you would have guys camp out in the class forever (which we see anyway). They make less than the 450 riders, but they are making something and staying in the game too.

As for so many of those guys from the eighties' making a living in Europe, maybe that's because Europe had more to offer back then as far as rides and support. That does not appear to be the case anymore, nor has it for some time. The pipeline comes this way now, and it's even become crowded with Australians and South Africans who weren't on the radar back then until Leisk and Albertyn came along.

Anyway, good bench racing here, there are some very valid points on both sides, I think.

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The Lites class in SX is an entertaining undercard to the main event, so why turn it into a national class now? And Trip, why would Mitch Payton sign four guys to race one class in SX?


He has four guys racing outdoors.

Not saying he would sign four guys to race Lites, just if he wanted to he could. You know he would at least have three guys out there if the Lites went national. So one guy is out of a ride, Mitch usually gets the cream of the crop, so the one guy he doesn't sign will be picked up by someone. Even if he signs two guys, the other two guys will have rides somewhere.
I'm pretty sure if Mitch wanted to, he could sign seperate guys for SX and Nationals. Oh and I'm not buying that he didn't know Tickle would point out when he signed him. Mitch has wanted a 450 for a while and Kawasaki has said no. Mitch gets what Mitch wants. Does the name Fisher mean anything to you? lol

Right now they have two per region to better their chances of having a bike out there and a shot at wins if the other guy gets hurt. If there was only one national series he wouldn't need all of those guys. (And maybe he keeps them all in outdoors because there are three times as many races -- 24 motos compared to eight mains -- which means three times as many opportunities for wins as well as injuries.)es.)

Yeah, but if the Lites goes to National, now were at 17 races. So that's seven less than the Nationals, so it would make sense he would carry three.. I love talking about spending other people money on a race team..haha...So were talking one rider out of a job. It trickles down, riders, mechanics, if they are not good enough to be on PC, maybe they are good enough to be on Valli?

I do think it's unfortunate that guys sometimes get advanced at the wrong time -- Mike Jones was the worst victim of this, as he never even won a main event but then got sent up without a ride due to the points structure at the time -- but otherwise you would have guys camp out in the class forever (which we see anyway). They make less than the 450 riders, but they are making something and staying in the game too.

Shouldn't be able to make a career out of the "development class." Then again hard to be forced out the class and left with no choice but to go overseas either.. Tough situation for sure.

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dkg 10/5/2011 11:51am
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Just a question for discussion. At present we have a Team 22 or ("Two Two"). Reed has plate number 22. If and when plate 22 is released will it be up for assignment or are we going to turn to a situation where numbers become assigned to a team? Just seeing a situation where plate 22 is running for a team other than "Team Two Two"

Just curious .....
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i actually understand the system, like the old one better myself but i can understand why the riders wish to market themselves with Career numbers, however...
i actually understand the system, like the old one better myself but i can understand why the riders wish to market themselves with Career numbers,

however, why does Pourcell keep his number when he did not score enough points, and Josh Hill keep their numbers, yet BT does not,
With a number like Pourcel's, since it's not in the first hundred, and not one of the low 100's reserved for "foreigners", it's a number that's just up for the asking. Most privateers fall under this scenario. They haven't scored points enough to be in the top 100, so the number they run is of their choice. AMA just acts as a clearinghouse for the high numbers, making sure each number is only used by one rider, and if they want to keep it year after year, they can as long as they have a license.
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wawazat 10/5/2011 11:57am
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jamma10 wrote:
I've just always been of the opinion that the top guys should run the lowest numbers. You race to be Number 1 and your number should...
I've just always been of the opinion that the top guys should run the lowest numbers.

You race to be Number 1 and your number should be used as a reference to how close you came to achieving it the previous year.
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Absolutely agree. Permanent numbers are ridiculous and make no sense to anyone new to the sport.

In my opinion.
I wrote out a whole Abbott and Costello baseball style joke about trying to explain the nember system to a casual fan.. I carcked myself up with it. Didn't think you guys would get it, so never posted it.

Disagree with you though, numbers shouldn't carry any weight to how good a rider is. Does anyone really believe Trey is 41st fastest rider? How does casual fan know who has a career number and who has an earned number? No way to tell. Riders use their numbers is their marketing. They do it in all sports her in America. Can you imagine if Tom Brady had to change his number every year based one where he finished the year previous?
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DC, what about Fredrik Nore'n??? Should have a 2 digit number, right?
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Pierre, Fredrik rode under a Swedish license, rather than AMA, so he did not get a number for the same reason Clement Desalle did not get one last year or Marc DeReuver the year before (or whenever he raced here).

And Rob, I would argue that permanent numbers do make sense to a lot of people in the sport. Ask the owner of Team 22, or Trey's mom above on this thread. Just because you don't like it or understand doesn't mean it makes no sense to anyone else.

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wawazat 10/5/2011 12:12pm
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DC wrote:
Pierre, Fredrik rode under a Swedish license, rather than AMA, so he did not get a number for the same reason Clement Desalle did not get...
Pierre, Fredrik rode under a Swedish license, rather than AMA, so he did not get a number for the same reason Clement Desalle did not get one last year or Marc DeReuver the year before (or whenever he raced here).

And Rob, I would argue that permanent numbers do make sense to a lot of people in the sport. Ask the owner of Team 22, or Trey's mom above on this thread. Just because you don't like it or understand doesn't mean it makes no sense to anyone else.

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I'd hate to be in your place Davey, you seem to embrace it, which is great. I see your not totally disagreeing with some of the ideas on here. Even though you may not agree with the opinions, you do come out to play, and listen. I'm guessing if there were an outcry for something to change in mx or sx, you would at least look into it, and not just blow it off. Your never find that here, cause we can't agree on anything aroiund here.. haha
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DC wrote:
Pierre, Fredrik rode under a Swedish license, rather than AMA, so he did not get a number for the same reason Clement Desalle did not get...
Pierre, Fredrik rode under a Swedish license, rather than AMA, so he did not get a number for the same reason Clement Desalle did not get one last year or Marc DeReuver the year before (or whenever he raced here).

And Rob, I would argue that permanent numbers do make sense to a lot of people in the sport. Ask the owner of Team 22, or Trey's mom above on this thread. Just because you don't like it or understand doesn't mean it makes no sense to anyone else.

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I look at it like this.

I don't like the system but if it was changed it could offend as many or more as it offends now so just deal with it, it's just numbers for Christs sake.
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Thanks Trip, I prefer to talk and think things through, and then sort out a way forward. Too many knee-jerk reactions have hurt the sport along the way, it's a lesson I think we all learn at some point.

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Thanks Trip, I prefer to talk and think things through, and then sort out a way forward. Too many knee-jerk reactions have hurt the sport along...
Thanks Trip, I prefer to talk and think things through, and then sort out a way forward. Too many knee-jerk reactions have hurt the sport along the way, it's a lesson I think we all learn at some point.

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check out the 125 thread for the nationals.
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DC wrote:
Pierre, Fredrik rode under a Swedish license, rather than AMA, so he did not get a number for the same reason Clement Desalle did not get...
Pierre, Fredrik rode under a Swedish license, rather than AMA, so he did not get a number for the same reason Clement Desalle did not get one last year or Marc DeReuver the year before (or whenever he raced here).

And Rob, I would argue that permanent numbers do make sense to a lot of people in the sport. Ask the owner of Team 22, or Trey's mom above on this thread. Just because you don't like it or understand doesn't mean it makes no sense to anyone else.

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Pardon the confusion, but how about Calle Aspegren? Wouldn't he fall under the same deal? Or he did he use an AMA license? He's number 76 on the list.
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I don't understand how BT can ask to keep 101, when he didn't race last year, and Josh Hill can keep 75 but Roczen can't request his to keep his number 194 or get 94... which means a lot to him since he has ridden with it since he was seven!? Some of this just doesn't make any sense to me lol
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DownSouth 10/5/2011 1:20pm
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I don't understand how BT can ask to keep 101, when he didn't race last year, and Josh Hill can keep 75 but Roczen can't request...
I don't understand how BT can ask to keep 101, when he didn't race last year, and Josh Hill can keep 75 but Roczen can't request his to keep his number 194 or get 94... which means a lot to him since he has ridden with it since he was seven!? Some of this just doesn't make any sense to me lol
Historically 100, 101, and 111 have been held for World champs coming over or top riders returning from injury or missed seasons. I still have no idea how Hansen got ahold of 100. Townely got 101 due to this tradition just like JMB, Albertyn Langston and others ran #111 when they first came to America to race.

Townley has no US points from 2011 so he has to get a 3 digit # if he races in the US for 2012, and no one is using 101 which was previously his from 2006-2010. Being a former world champ has perks like a number being held for you.

Hill had previously earned 75 as a career number, his injury time out did not make him lose it.

Roczen earned 450 sx points so he fell in at #70 and not magically at 94. Whenever Roczen finishes top ten in combined points for a year then he can pick 94 if he chooses. Tons of riders have numbers they wish they could run but until you earn the right you get what you are assigned based off points scored.
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mccread 10/5/2011 1:51pm
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Ah ok I see.... but I still don't think it makes sense that Ken could ride with 194 last year, but because he raced a couple of 450 sx races he now can't have that number?! How does scoring top tens in the 450 class actually put him at a disadvantage re: choosing the number he wants in comparison to the year before?!

Roczen is also the world champ and comes over as the reigning World Champion ( which Ben didn't) and was top ten in 450 supercross races yet he has less say over the number he wants that he had this time last year....Dizzy ...not being able to use the number u had last year because you had success....that doesn't really make sense!

But from that I guess Ken can ride with #111 since he is currently world champ or is that void because he scored points this year?

Based on that ... I have also no idea how Hansen is no.100 just running regional sx either lol
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zook11 10/5/2011 1:54pm
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How does barcia lose his number after winning a title.?


This number system is kinda lame.

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mccread 10/5/2011 1:57pm
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How does barcia lose his number after winning a title.?


This number system is kinda lame.
Eastern region points don't count.... but I believe Barcia will have to run the no.1 plate if he rides east coast next season.
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What if I have Arithmophobia, can I run a letter?
I was thinking about running a symbol, or even better I want to run an eggplant in my rider identification area.
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roczen tweets

KenRoczen94
maybe i stay in europ lol

reed:

number 70 for sx and mx:-O cant believe it:-(”welcome to a silly numbering system bud

i think it´s clear that some riders are not happy with the way it is.
and all the merchandise have to print new for the fan´s
think thats no fun
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wawazat 10/5/2011 2:14pm
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Donnerbalken wrote:
roczen tweets KenRoczen94 maybe i stay in europ lol reed: number 70 for sx and mx:-O cant believe it:-(”welcome to a silly numbering system bud i...
roczen tweets

KenRoczen94
maybe i stay in europ lol

reed:

number 70 for sx and mx:-O cant believe it:-(”welcome to a silly numbering system bud

i think it´s clear that some riders are not happy with the way it is.
and all the merchandise have to print new for the fan´s
think thats no fun
Guess Ken has to change his twitter to KenRoczen70 this year. Then next year he will have change it again to KenRoczen1..

Total disrespect to a World Champ. If he wants 194, don't see why he couldn't have it? Not like its a number everyone is going after..
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Guess Ken has to change his twitter to KenRoczen70 this year. Then next year he will have change it again to KenRoczen1.. Total disrespect to a...
Guess Ken has to change his twitter to KenRoczen70 this year. Then next year he will have change it again to KenRoczen1..

Total disrespect to a World Champ. If he wants 194, don't see why he couldn't have it? Not like its a number everyone is going after..
That does not make much sense that he can't run 194. Maybe Decoster will pull some strings and play the world champ card.

In past years Roczen could pick 194 but starting in 2011 they changed the rule where if you score points you have to use what you earn for the guys who do not hold career numbers.

IMO the AMA (whoever they are now) got sick of the process of attempting unsuccessfully to communicate with riders in the offseason to verify numbers so they said you will run what you earn. How many years did the list come out with riders getting bumped from the top 99 because guys like Davalos, Boniface, Lawrence, Jeff Alessi, etc. would have 2 digt #'s on the list and ended up running their old 3 digit #'s anyway. A lot of that was blamed on riders never answering or refusing to return calls to the people trying to finalize the number list.
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wawazat wrote:
Guess Ken has to change his twitter to KenRoczen70 this year. Then next year he will have change it again to KenRoczen1.. Total disrespect to a...
Guess Ken has to change his twitter to KenRoczen70 this year. Then next year he will have change it again to KenRoczen1..

Total disrespect to a World Champ. If he wants 194, don't see why he couldn't have it? Not like its a number everyone is going after..
Yeah, and world champs typically get a number between 100 and 111.

Downsouth is pretty close. It's an admin nightmare on the numbers. But it beats there being different sets of numbers for Supercross and outdoors, and apparently there was talk of that happening for a while.

Personally, I think it'd be pretty bad-ass if Ken ran 111 like Roger did back in the day. Besides, it might actually fit on a KTM rear number plate.

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