Dungey's choice

Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 2:15pm
I am not the biggest Dungey fan but, upon further reflection, I think KTM isn't as crazy as it sounded this summer.

1) Loyalty - Roger picked Dungey out of obscurity. He's also a fantastic leader: you'd be nuts to bet against Roger, even at KTM.
2) Bikes/team - Smart enough to insist on the 450. The team is coming alive and continues to develop. Roczen and Musquin are no joke. Cairoli is pretty good over there. DeCoster.
3) Money - Who knows how much but I'll bet he and his extended family can all retire right now.
4) Perception - Even if he doesn't win, most of us will blame it on the bike. His name won't be harmed too much on the market, so he can get another ride pretty easily.

I think it was a pretty smart decision after all.
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I trust RD5 made the best choice.
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Even if the KTM decision wasn't the best for his results, it was probably best for his career and the way he wanted to do things.
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He's won everything there is to win.
I'm confident he feels he can continue win again on a KTM.
Past history has proven DeCoster/Dungey can be a successful team.
With the money Ryan has made so far, I'd say winning is his driving force.
Should be fun watching the next few seasons if the top contenders stay healty.
It will be exciting to see if Two Two motorsports picks up another rider.....
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I just think it will be interesting seeing a KTM in the mix for wins and possibly a championship in the 450's. They've got more of a shot at a title than Suzuki - (if JS stays Blue) - or Yamaha (if JS goes Yellow) Wink

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i got a really bad feeling about going ktm.maybe its the suspension components compaired to the japanese suspension.
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What im worried about, is Dungeys starts. His biggest problem is making passes if he gets a bad start.

Well...just look at what the KTM's did the short and alessi. On a honda short seriously got the holeshot almost every race last year. 2 years ago on the suzuki no one could even touch alessi's starts. But look at them on the KTM's.....not so much

Dungey will struggle to get wins because of that, but will stay consistent.

I dont really blame him for going to KTM though. It seems like they at least care about their race program. I hear that suzuki offered Dungey a pretty crappy salary. With all of the sponsors leaving and everyone getting fired and stuff you cant really blame the Dunge for wanting to get out of there.

Good luck to him. Ill always b a fan.
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rmz361 wrote:
What im worried about, is Dungeys starts. His biggest problem is making passes if he gets a bad start. Well...just look at what the KTM's did...
What im worried about, is Dungeys starts. His biggest problem is making passes if he gets a bad start.

Well...just look at what the KTM's did the short and alessi. On a honda short seriously got the holeshot almost every race last year. 2 years ago on the suzuki no one could even touch alessi's starts. But look at them on the KTM's.....not so much

Dungey will struggle to get wins because of that, but will stay consistent.

I dont really blame him for going to KTM though. It seems like they at least care about their race program. I hear that suzuki offered Dungey a pretty crappy salary. With all of the sponsors leaving and everyone getting fired and stuff you cant really blame the Dunge for wanting to get out of there.

Good luck to him. Ill always b a fan.
Its so hard to say what effect the KTM will have on RD's results..If it all gels and the bike they are developing is on target to be competitive by A-1 then it could be darn exiting to see an orange bike on top here in the US!

Oh and BTW regarding passing, RD passed more riders than RV from their first turn starts by a large margin... don't forget his 38th place start to 2nd at freestone in the first moto and almost a lap down to 7th in the mud. Or how many times he started behind RV, ran him down and passed him. Nope, he has no problems with passing IMO!

I agree that in SX last year that he did not take advantage of some passing opportunities he was given, he was just plain to nice last winter in SX but maybe this new bike and team and the sting of the loss of his championship will bring out a more aggressive Dunge come A-1!

Its hard to fault Ryans methods/style though considering all his championships and his relative good health over the last few years..
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38th to 2nd? Wtf are you smoking, bro?
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peelout wrote:
38th to 2nd? Wtf are you smoking, bro?
Hey bro! Go back on your DVR and watch..also read the interview with Mike web on RacerX site talking about RD running out of gas and his 38th place start (first corner) in that raceSmile I didn't realize his start was That bad either so I went back and took another look and sure enough he's almost dead last as he got squeezed out but made up about 10-15 places by the time they got to the second corner!
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He will surprise the heck out of you KTM haters.
KTM is a hell of a good bike.
He will do what he was brought in for,,increase sales.
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10/4/2011 7:43am Edited Date/Time 10/4/2011 7:43am
peelout wrote:
38th to 2nd? Wtf are you smoking, bro?
More like wtf are you smoking? Dungey had a hard time getting from 15th to 2nd on a Suzuki MOST of the time, no way in hell he is going 38th to 2nd on a KTM.
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But without the extra weight and limited head movement caused by that stupid POS neck brace, he should have NO problems going from 40th to 1st on the Katoom.

I agree. I think he made a wise decision because of DeCoster. Period. End of story. I sure hope the bike works for him.
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I am not the biggest Dungey fan but, upon further reflection, I think KTM isn't as crazy as it sounded this summer. 1) [b]Loyalty[/b] - Roger...
I am not the biggest Dungey fan but, upon further reflection, I think KTM isn't as crazy as it sounded this summer.

1) Loyalty - Roger picked Dungey out of obscurity. He's also a fantastic leader: you'd be nuts to bet against Roger, even at KTM.
2) Bikes/team - Smart enough to insist on the 450. The team is coming alive and continues to develop. Roczen and Musquin are no joke. Cairoli is pretty good over there. DeCoster.
3) Money - Who knows how much but I'll bet he and his extended family can all retire right now.
4) Perception - Even if he doesn't win, most of us will blame it on the bike. His name won't be harmed too much on the market, so he can get another ride pretty easily.

I think it was a pretty smart decision after all.
the decision was made for him a long time ago....
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I am not the biggest Dungey fan but, upon further reflection, I think KTM isn't as crazy as it sounded this summer. 1) [b]Loyalty[/b] - Roger...
I am not the biggest Dungey fan but, upon further reflection, I think KTM isn't as crazy as it sounded this summer.

1) Loyalty - Roger picked Dungey out of obscurity. He's also a fantastic leader: you'd be nuts to bet against Roger, even at KTM.
2) Bikes/team - Smart enough to insist on the 450. The team is coming alive and continues to develop. Roczen and Musquin are no joke. Cairoli is pretty good over there. DeCoster.
3) Money - Who knows how much but I'll bet he and his extended family can all retire right now.
4) Perception - Even if he doesn't win, most of us will blame it on the bike. His name won't be harmed too much on the market, so he can get another ride pretty easily.

I think it was a pretty smart decision after all.
BobbyM wrote:
the decision was made for him a long time ago....
He's a grown man, nobody made him sign with them.
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I am not the biggest Dungey fan but, upon further reflection, I think KTM isn't as crazy as it sounded this summer. 1) [b]Loyalty[/b] - Roger...
I am not the biggest Dungey fan but, upon further reflection, I think KTM isn't as crazy as it sounded this summer.

1) Loyalty - Roger picked Dungey out of obscurity. He's also a fantastic leader: you'd be nuts to bet against Roger, even at KTM.
2) Bikes/team - Smart enough to insist on the 450. The team is coming alive and continues to develop. Roczen and Musquin are no joke. Cairoli is pretty good over there. DeCoster.
3) Money - Who knows how much but I'll bet he and his extended family can all retire right now.
4) Perception - Even if he doesn't win, most of us will blame it on the bike. His name won't be harmed too much on the market, so he can get another ride pretty easily.

I think it was a pretty smart decision after all.
BobbyM wrote:
the decision was made for him a long time ago....
I don't think Alessi's bike looked horrible due to the bike as much as the setup. It seems like Alessi does well on a team with other fast riders so he can get assistance setting his bike up. In both years in this go around at Ktm he was the lone rider on the the particular bike.
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I think Dungey made the best deal of any of the elite riders. Look at the organization he is joining; Stefan Everts, Roger DeCoster, Pit Bierer, with Tony Cairoli, Max Nagl, Jeffrey Herlings, K-Roc, and Marvin Musquin! KTM has the money, will, and vision right now. DeCoster will make sure RD has competitive equipment. I think Dungey's timing is perfect here. 2012 is shaping up to be another fascinating and dramatic season.
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bullpen58 wrote:
But without the extra weight and limited head movement caused by that stupid POS neck brace, he should have NO problems going from 40th to 1st...
But without the extra weight and limited head movement caused by that stupid POS neck brace, he should have NO problems going from 40th to 1st on the Katoom.

I agree. I think he made a wise decision because of DeCoster. Period. End of story. I sure hope the bike works for him.
I would normally say that going where Roger is a wise decision as well, but Shorty was a top 3 rider all season in 2010 and you rarely heard his name this year.

It's just a scary deal to me. Roger is "the man", but at the end of the day, he can only do so much. Ryan still has to ride and race the bike. I hope it turns out well, just afraid it won't.
10/4/2011 9:49am
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I would normally say that going where Roger is a wise decision as well, but Shorty was a top 3 rider all season in 2010 and...
I would normally say that going where Roger is a wise decision as well, but Shorty was a top 3 rider all season in 2010 and you rarely heard his name this year.

It's just a scary deal to me. Roger is "the man", but at the end of the day, he can only do so much. Ryan still has to ride and race the bike. I hope it turns out well, just afraid it won't.
Shorty struggled to come to grips with the 350 but Dungey won't have that problem. Plus, 2010 was a lot thinner at the top than last year was - I think more guys were just going faster this year.

But again, I think the brilliance of the decision is that it's win-win for him: if he wins, he's a hero. If he doesn't, it's the bike's fault. Plus, he was loyal and he made a buttload of money. Either way, it sure makes things interesting to watch.
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peelout wrote:
38th to 2nd? Wtf are you smoking, bro?
Racer111 wrote:
More like wtf are you smoking? Dungey had a hard time getting from 15th to 2nd on a Suzuki MOST of the time, no way in...
More like wtf are you smoking? Dungey had a hard time getting from 15th to 2nd on a Suzuki MOST of the time, no way in hell he is going 38th to 2nd on a KTM.
your post just made me re-read mine about 5 times...

i was calling BS on the 38th to 2nd at freestone... so wtf are you on about?
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10/4/2011 10:32am Edited Date/Time 10/4/2011 10:32am
peelout wrote:
38th to 2nd? Wtf are you smoking, bro?
Racer111 wrote:
More like wtf are you smoking? Dungey had a hard time getting from 15th to 2nd on a Suzuki MOST of the time, no way in...
More like wtf are you smoking? Dungey had a hard time getting from 15th to 2nd on a Suzuki MOST of the time, no way in hell he is going 38th to 2nd on a KTM.
peelout wrote:
your post just made me re-read mine about 5 times... i was calling BS on the 38th to 2nd at freestone... so wtf are you on...
your post just made me re-read mine about 5 times...

i was calling BS on the 38th to 2nd at freestone... so wtf are you on about?
I guess I misread wtf you were talking about! Tongue Now wtf you have to say?? Tongue
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Racer111 wrote:
I guess I misread wtf you were talking about! Tongue Now wtf you have to say?? Tongue
is that your bike? ever take it off any sweet jumps?
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zippy895 wrote:
i got a really bad feeling about going ktm.maybe its the suspension components compaired to the japanese suspension.
Feelings on the suspension components vs the Jap bikes??? You seem like a smart fella. please share your thoughts on the good and the bad on the KTM's suspension.
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Racer111 wrote:
I guess I misread wtf you were talking about! Tongue Now wtf you have to say?? Tongue
peelout wrote:
is that your bike? ever take it off any sweet jumps?
Not intentinally! With the Trek anyway. She does get me from point A to point B pretty damn fast in my triathlons though. The new Kawi will be for some sweet jumps.
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10/4/2011 10:47am Edited Date/Time 10/4/2011 10:49am
zippy895 wrote:
i got a really bad feeling about going ktm.maybe its the suspension components compaired to the japanese suspension.
KTM are a really determined brand. If anything they will do whats required to make the bike win. They have proved they can do it and they will most likely do a good job of it.

If Dungey is a good rider from a development perspective they might be able to get the bike to work well with him. Just not to sure if he is a good development rider or not, as not all riders are.

Seems like he has made alot of changes with choices of team, brand etc even no neck brace. Hope he does well as he is definitely consistent and deserves the results.
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Racer111 wrote:
I guess I misread wtf you were talking about! Tongue Now wtf you have to say?? Tongue
peelout wrote:
is that your bike? ever take it off any sweet jumps?
Fuckin' Peel making me spit my coffee out this morning!
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Racer111 wrote:
I guess I misread wtf you were talking about! Tongue Now wtf you have to say?? Tongue
peelout wrote:
is that your bike? ever take it off any sweet jumps?
jeffro503 wrote:
Fuckin' Peel making me spit my coffee out this morning!
I know, right?
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when alessi was on the 450 ktm he got good starts its only the 350 that he struggled on, but he has still been up there.
The ktm now has linkage so the suspension is the same design as the japs and that 450 engine is already very strong.
RD has made a good choice and come A1 will be flying
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Racer111 wrote:
I guess I misread wtf you were talking about! Tongue Now wtf you have to say?? Tongue
peelout wrote:
is that your bike? ever take it off any sweet jumps?
Okay; now that is the funniest quote I've seen in a few weeks.
Wonder how many on here get it?

Back to your regular scheduled programing...Thanks Peelout; now go feed Tina.
10/4/2011 11:38am
zippy895 wrote:
i got a really bad feeling about going ktm.maybe its the suspension components compaired to the japanese suspension.
HatersSuck wrote:
Feelings on the suspension components vs the Jap bikes??? You seem like a smart fella. please share your thoughts on the good and the bad on...
Feelings on the suspension components vs the Jap bikes??? You seem like a smart fella. please share your thoughts on the good and the bad on the KTM's suspension.
Yeah curious,whats up with the suspension components? The KTM's are easy as good as any Jap bike

As far as Short goes,the feild was diferrent last season,this year there were 3 then 2 front runners,he was in the chasing pack which still had Alessi and Metty to beat if he wanted to make the top 5
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10/4/2011 1:41pm Edited Date/Time 10/4/2011 1:41pm
Dungey would win on a Hodaka...stop dumb shit on KTM being a bad bike.
And anyway the KTM he will be riding is going to be like a 2015 model for us simple mortals.

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