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tbanks 9/9/2011 9:47am
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Motodave15 wrote:
Im going to be honest... that video was AWESOME..... BUT!!!!..pala still doesn't look or feel like a national caliber track.. too me it still feels like...
Im going to be honest... that video was AWESOME..... BUT!!!!..pala still doesn't look or feel like a national caliber track.. too me it still feels like its forced to be a national. (got damn the jumps there are huge)
Ryno784 wrote:
I didn't want to say it but agree with you Dave. Sure it has some nice sections and impressive jumps but just not the overall feel...
I didn't want to say it but agree with you Dave. Sure it has some nice sections and impressive jumps but just not the overall feel of a National. You can't replace rolling elevation changes with a flat spot in the desert.
I have to agree as well. The track looks fun and if I could ride like them I would enjoy it as well. But it doesn't look like a good race track. I have a feeling it will be one lined and pretty dull once the races start.

I feel like the riders will be soooo focused on the track it will take away from the racing side of things.
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bullpen58 wrote:
I agree 100% !!!!

I was WTF??? Is it the bike or does she just need to shift?
Motodrew295 wrote:
Sounds like a normal YZ250F in the higher RPM range to me...
bullpen58 wrote:
Sounds like absolute doodoo. Also, LMAO at how they sped UP the video of the women and went slo-mo for the dudes. Too funny.
Sounds like absolute doodoo.

Also, LMAO at how they sped UP the video of the women and went slo-mo for the dudes. Too funny.
It does sound like a "stock" YZ250F in the uppers, unfortunately it sounds stock right down to the pipe lol. After riding yamahs since 03 i know they sound like crap if you dont shift them when they are stock. But they dont pull up there either so its pointless not to shift them. I wonder if she gets the same motors as the guys, from sounds of it i'd say no.
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M-M 9/9/2011 10:05am
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Tracks like a massive supercross track. Wouldn't be surprised if Brayton has a really good result this Saturday.

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sbarrington314 9/9/2011 10:27am
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fullfloater wrote:
Is that kind of like Debbie does Dallas?
ddavis does the entire motocross industry?
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Motodave15 wrote:
Im going to be honest... that video was AWESOME..... BUT!!!!..pala still doesn't look or feel like a national caliber track.. too me it still feels like...
Im going to be honest... that video was AWESOME..... BUT!!!!..pala still doesn't look or feel like a national caliber track.. too me it still feels like its forced to be a national. (got damn the jumps there are huge)
Ryno784 wrote:
I didn't want to say it but agree with you Dave. Sure it has some nice sections and impressive jumps but just not the overall feel...
I didn't want to say it but agree with you Dave. Sure it has some nice sections and impressive jumps but just not the overall feel of a National. You can't replace rolling elevation changes with a flat spot in the desert.
tbanks wrote:
I have to agree as well. The track looks fun and if I could ride like them I would enjoy it as well. But it doesn't...
I have to agree as well. The track looks fun and if I could ride like them I would enjoy it as well. But it doesn't look like a good race track. I have a feeling it will be one lined and pretty dull once the races start.

I feel like the riders will be soooo focused on the track it will take away from the racing side of things.
Gawd you guys are lame.

It's not in the desert first of all.

It's not flat, not at all. It isbuilt into a hillside. Remember, you can't tell elevation changes on a lfat screen. It may not have the changes like GH, but there are hills there that are natural, not man made.
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jasonv43 9/9/2011 1:18pm
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From 10 Things to Watch for at Pala on Racerx:

8. THE ROUGH: Pala has only been on the national tour for a year but it’s already developed a reputation with the riders as rough and tough. It presents a good mix of big jumps on the flats and rugged up-and-downhills out back. The soil can be deceiving, too, as the sandy sections can really bog an engine down and make routine leaps tough for a 250 (ask Pourcel). Some riders can boast that they practice here a lot, and that seemed to help Dean Wilson last year as he dominated both 250 motos. But the track shapes up much differently for the National weekend. In a final advertised as one where anything can happen, this is certainly the track where it can.
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SCIENCE 9/9/2011 1:37pm
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jasonv43 wrote:
From 10 Things to Watch for at Pala on Racerx: 8. THE ROUGH: Pala has only been on the national tour for a year but it’s...
From 10 Things to Watch for at Pala on Racerx:

8. THE ROUGH: Pala has only been on the national tour for a year but it’s already developed a reputation with the riders as rough and tough. It presents a good mix of big jumps on the flats and rugged up-and-downhills out back. The soil can be deceiving, too, as the sandy sections can really bog an engine down and make routine leaps tough for a 250 (ask Pourcel). Some riders can boast that they practice here a lot, and that seemed to help Dean Wilson last year as he dominated both 250 motos. But the track shapes up much differently for the National weekend. In a final advertised as one where anything can happen, this is certainly the track where it can.
RacerX and MXSports are essentially run by the same folks. I have to say they do a great job on both entities overall. However, what do you think they are going too say in an article about tomorrows race that they are promoting? They are selling an event. No doubt it is rough and challenging, almost like a hybrid Daytona SX on steroids. Yet the only reputation that comes to my mind is that Pala is an outdoor SX track that doesn't belong on the National circuit. downandup, with all due respect, , I have seen the videos and watched some helmet cam footage from there and I just don't see much in the way of elevation, off cambers, or anything that wasn't man made. It doesn't belong or make sense for this series in any way other than financial and that is sad.
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jasonv43 wrote:
From 10 Things to Watch for at Pala on Racerx: 8. THE ROUGH: Pala has only been on the national tour for a year but it’s...
From 10 Things to Watch for at Pala on Racerx:

8. THE ROUGH: Pala has only been on the national tour for a year but it’s already developed a reputation with the riders as rough and tough. It presents a good mix of big jumps on the flats and rugged up-and-downhills out back. The soil can be deceiving, too, as the sandy sections can really bog an engine down and make routine leaps tough for a 250 (ask Pourcel). Some riders can boast that they practice here a lot, and that seemed to help Dean Wilson last year as he dominated both 250 motos. But the track shapes up much differently for the National weekend. In a final advertised as one where anything can happen, this is certainly the track where it can.
SCIENCE wrote:
RacerX and MXSports are essentially run by the same folks. I have to say they do a great job on both entities overall. However, what do...
RacerX and MXSports are essentially run by the same folks. I have to say they do a great job on both entities overall. However, what do you think they are going too say in an article about tomorrows race that they are promoting? They are selling an event. No doubt it is rough and challenging, almost like a hybrid Daytona SX on steroids. Yet the only reputation that comes to my mind is that Pala is an outdoor SX track that doesn't belong on the National circuit. downandup, with all due respect, , I have seen the videos and watched some helmet cam footage from there and I just don't see much in the way of elevation, off cambers, or anything that wasn't man made. It doesn't belong or make sense for this series in any way other than financial and that is sad.
There are 12 rounds throughout most of the US and because of 1 round that doesn't have massive elevation changes (even though it does have elevation changes because I would know I went to watch pala last year) then it makes it shit!? Make sure yous set your DVR for the Lifetime channel while you're glued to the screen watching the O network tomorrow. The rest of us are going to watch our champions go out at once and ride a track that is unique in it's own way from the rest of the tracks by providing really deep ruts and massive jumps.
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jasonv43 9/9/2011 2:16pm
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jasonv43 wrote:
From 10 Things to Watch for at Pala on Racerx: 8. THE ROUGH: Pala has only been on the national tour for a year but it’s...
From 10 Things to Watch for at Pala on Racerx:

8. THE ROUGH: Pala has only been on the national tour for a year but it’s already developed a reputation with the riders as rough and tough. It presents a good mix of big jumps on the flats and rugged up-and-downhills out back. The soil can be deceiving, too, as the sandy sections can really bog an engine down and make routine leaps tough for a 250 (ask Pourcel). Some riders can boast that they practice here a lot, and that seemed to help Dean Wilson last year as he dominated both 250 motos. But the track shapes up much differently for the National weekend. In a final advertised as one where anything can happen, this is certainly the track where it can.
SCIENCE wrote:
RacerX and MXSports are essentially run by the same folks. I have to say they do a great job on both entities overall. However, what do...
RacerX and MXSports are essentially run by the same folks. I have to say they do a great job on both entities overall. However, what do you think they are going too say in an article about tomorrows race that they are promoting? They are selling an event. No doubt it is rough and challenging, almost like a hybrid Daytona SX on steroids. Yet the only reputation that comes to my mind is that Pala is an outdoor SX track that doesn't belong on the National circuit. downandup, with all due respect, , I have seen the videos and watched some helmet cam footage from there and I just don't see much in the way of elevation, off cambers, or anything that wasn't man made. It doesn't belong or make sense for this series in any way other than financial and that is sad.
I've been there and was there last year. And yeah, it's everything they said and more. Just hope they get the parking figured out this year becuase it really is a top notch venue from the moment you arrive.

When a huge first turn is called Talledega and a triple step up that requires balls the size of Coconuts to clear is considered natural terrain you let me know.

And for the record I liked Glen Helen too.
TripleDigit 9/9/2011 4:05pm
9/9/2011 4:05pm
Motodave15 wrote:
Im going to be honest... that video was AWESOME..... BUT!!!!..pala still doesn't look or feel like a national caliber track.. too me it still feels like...
Im going to be honest... that video was AWESOME..... BUT!!!!..pala still doesn't look or feel like a national caliber track.. too me it still feels like its forced to be a national. (got damn the jumps there are huge)
SCIENCE wrote:
X2. Pala would make a great SX track. It is a shame that MX Sports has put this venue on the schedule. Great location in the...
X2. Pala would make a great SX track. It is a shame that MX Sports has put this venue on the schedule. Great location in the heart of the MX/SX epicenter? Yes. Outdoor supercross track with zero MX soul? Check. We had this track once in Troy, Ohio that was the similar, only with trees and grass. There was some soul in Troy though. Sorry, iPala is not MX. Show me some hills, or an off camber and something natural other than just dirt!
ehr400 wrote:
Agree^ Also that combo that Reed and Wilson were doing is insane! I hope they change it though, somone could get hurt bad , I mean...
Agree^

Also that combo that Reed and Wilson were doing is insane! I hope they change it though, somone could get hurt bad , I mean real bad there. Remember Langston at Daytona a couple years ago? I know these guys are the best but I would hate to see someone get crossed up doing that.
Yeah these tracks now are all flat-out,full commitment,too much SX style,an accident waiting to happen,they carve out a track like this on a piece of lifeless land and hold an AMA outdoor National on it,is that the way anyone wants things to go? No wonder Tommy Weeck said he'd never seen anything like Gaildorf last weekend
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bullpen58 9/9/2011 6:39pm
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Motodrew295 wrote:
Sounds like a normal YZ250F in the higher RPM range to me...
bullpen58 wrote:
Sounds like absolute doodoo. Also, LMAO at how they sped UP the video of the women and went slo-mo for the dudes. Too funny.
Sounds like absolute doodoo.

Also, LMAO at how they sped UP the video of the women and went slo-mo for the dudes. Too funny.
mx216 wrote:
It does sound like a "stock" YZ250F in the uppers, unfortunately it sounds stock right down to the pipe lol. After riding yamahs since 03 i...
It does sound like a "stock" YZ250F in the uppers, unfortunately it sounds stock right down to the pipe lol. After riding yamahs since 03 i know they sound like crap if you dont shift them when they are stock. But they dont pull up there either so its pointless not to shift them. I wonder if she gets the same motors as the guys, from sounds of it i'd say no.
I doubt that is the engine the guys get too! I am embarrassed to hear that POS. I have never heard a properly running 250F sound like that. If you close your eyes, her bike sounds like a clapped out metal mulisha goon with no visor and black, cut plastics going by to do a one-hander over the "big" table.

I imagine that the other guy who posted in this thread is right (that it is "floating valves" or whatever). I'm not an engine tuner but it doesn't take Mitch Payton to hear that there is something terribly wrong with her engine. She is the defending CHAMPION and that is the best her team can do? What a shame. Even her most clapped out practice bike turd should be running perfectly. I feel bad for her.
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bullpen58 9/9/2011 6:40pm
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TJ 755 wrote:
I dint see shit but gawd JP bike sound roach
bullpen58 wrote:
I agree 100% !!!!

I was WTF??? Is it the bike or does she just need to shift?
BornA'Lil2Slow wrote:
when you hear a 4s motor sounding like that, its usually the valves floating.
I'm sure you're right. I'll take your word for it but there is obviously something wrong with that bike. Poor JP. Her safety seems at-risk riding a turd like that. Am I wrong?
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bullpen58 wrote:
I agree 100% !!!!

I was WTF??? Is it the bike or does she just need to shift?
BornA'Lil2Slow wrote:
when you hear a 4s motor sounding like that, its usually the valves floating.
bullpen58 wrote:
I'm sure you're right. I'll take your word for it but there is obviously something wrong with that bike. Poor JP. Her safety seems at-risk riding...
I'm sure you're right. I'll take your word for it but there is obviously something wrong with that bike. Poor JP. Her safety seems at-risk riding a turd like that. Am I wrong?
Safety could be at risk if that rod box locked up on an upramp. And as for the valve float, isnt that what rev limiters are for, they cut in before the revs can get high enough for the valves to float ???
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downandup 9/9/2011 7:29pm
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jasonv43 wrote:
From 10 Things to Watch for at Pala on Racerx: 8. THE ROUGH: Pala has only been on the national tour for a year but it’s...
From 10 Things to Watch for at Pala on Racerx:

8. THE ROUGH: Pala has only been on the national tour for a year but it’s already developed a reputation with the riders as rough and tough. It presents a good mix of big jumps on the flats and rugged up-and-downhills out back. The soil can be deceiving, too, as the sandy sections can really bog an engine down and make routine leaps tough for a 250 (ask Pourcel). Some riders can boast that they practice here a lot, and that seemed to help Dean Wilson last year as he dominated both 250 motos. But the track shapes up much differently for the National weekend. In a final advertised as one where anything can happen, this is certainly the track where it can.
SCIENCE wrote:
RacerX and MXSports are essentially run by the same folks. I have to say they do a great job on both entities overall. However, what do...
RacerX and MXSports are essentially run by the same folks. I have to say they do a great job on both entities overall. However, what do you think they are going too say in an article about tomorrows race that they are promoting? They are selling an event. No doubt it is rough and challenging, almost like a hybrid Daytona SX on steroids. Yet the only reputation that comes to my mind is that Pala is an outdoor SX track that doesn't belong on the National circuit. downandup, with all due respect, , I have seen the videos and watched some helmet cam footage from there and I just don't see much in the way of elevation, off cambers, or anything that wasn't man made. It doesn't belong or make sense for this series in any way other than financial and that is sad.
Have you ridden the track? No??

Then you have no clue!

I have, but not when it was beefed up the way it is now.

Look in the background, see small hills?? hmmm? well they incorporated those somewhat into the track also. You just can't see it through these vids. The vids and the helmet cams don't do it justice. You have to BE there.
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Ddavis 9/9/2011 7:35pm
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Pala is a great track and an awesome venue.
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adamdf 9/9/2011 7:43pm
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That section is wild to watch, its going to fun race to watch, looking forward to it
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downandup wrote:
Have you ridden the track? No?? Then you have no clue! I have, but not when it was beefed up the way it is now. Look...
Have you ridden the track? No??

Then you have no clue!

I have, but not when it was beefed up the way it is now.

Look in the background, see small hills?? hmmm? well they incorporated those somewhat into the track also. You just can't see it through these vids. The vids and the helmet cams don't do it justice. You have to BE there.
But we can see it on tv and online so it's the exact same thing! I know exactly what it's like to walk on the moon cause I saw that on tv too. Wink Wink

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bullpen58 9/9/2011 9:50pm
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BornA'Lil2Slow wrote:
when you hear a 4s motor sounding like that, its usually the valves floating.
bullpen58 wrote:
I'm sure you're right. I'll take your word for it but there is obviously something wrong with that bike. Poor JP. Her safety seems at-risk riding...
I'm sure you're right. I'll take your word for it but there is obviously something wrong with that bike. Poor JP. Her safety seems at-risk riding a turd like that. Am I wrong?
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Safety could be at risk if that rod box locked up on an upramp. And as for the valve float, isnt that what rev limiters are...
Safety could be at risk if that rod box locked up on an upramp. And as for the valve float, isnt that what rev limiters are for, they cut in before the revs can get high enough for the valves to float ???
I have no clue about the valves. I'm no Mitch Payton. I'm more of an Elmer Fudd.
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mxtryon231 9/9/2011 10:09pm
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Ddavis wrote:
Pala is a great track and an awesome venue.
agreed..

People on here are best at talking shit about people they have never met, riders they have never seen in person, and places they have never been.

Pala is a long lap time, the uphills and downhills get super rough, and the jumps are huge and technical.. What more do you want from a national track?
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jmar 9/9/2011 11:10pm
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The track should be shut down until the race.

Yes, I know it's going to change, but it's still not very professional to let people practice on the track.
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I've been there and was there last year. And yeah, it's everything they said and more. Just hope they get the parking figured out this year...
I've been there and was there last year. And yeah, it's everything they said and more. Just hope they get the parking figured out this year becuase it really is a top notch venue from the moment you arrive.

When a huge first turn is called Talledega and a triple step up that requires balls the size of Coconuts to clear is considered natural terrain you let me know.

And for the record I liked Glen Helen too.
Not sure what 'talledega' means, but that first turn at glen helen is definitely pure natural and as good as mx gets.
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bullpen58 9/9/2011 11:37pm
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jmar wrote:
The track should be shut down until the race. Yes, I know it's going to change, but it's still not very professional to let people practice...
The track should be shut down until the race.

Yes, I know it's going to change, but it's still not very professional to let people practice on the track.
I agree. If they are gonna allow anyone to ride it, they should allow EVERYONE to ride it (including me). :D
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Karlberg19 9/9/2011 11:49pm
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What's up with Reed running an FMFpipe at 1:05 or am I wrong?
Edit: Nvm Ti-5

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