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`ol Ger 9/4/2011 5:34am
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I'm a BIG JS7 fan, but he kind of had an easy year when he went 24-0, similar to Dungey's streak last year. Loads of talent...
I'm a BIG JS7 fan, but he kind of had an easy year when he went 24-0, similar to Dungey's streak last year. Loads of talent, but different level. Do I think he could be with Dungey and RV2 like 1st moto today.............Absolutely, but I don't think every moto. The dude has got more skills than 99% of the people on the track, but his endevours the past couple of years have hurt him. (He's probably made just as much money acting than racing though)
I expected more from Barcia today and he got bitch slapped by Metcalfe.
Agree with this post ^^^

Grant Langston (defending champion), Tedesco, Ben Townley, Hepler, Alessi and Windham, were all missing from this series.
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`ol Ger 9/4/2011 5:44am
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1. James Stewart, Haines City, Fla., Kawasaki, 600
2. Timmy Ferry, Largo, Fla., Kawasaki, 414
3. Andrew Short, Smithville, Teas., Honda, 392
4. Michael Byrne, Newman, Ga., Suzuki, 377
5. Cody Cooper, Tallahassee, Fla., Suzuki, 266


2008 season statistics.
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No "freak status" riders in that championship though
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I miss the Bubba days, new James is letting his legacy go out the window.

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Some of you get so blinded by either your being a fan or being a hater, you're unrealistic.

There's really a few questions in the initial question.

Can ANYONE have a perfect season with the competition what it is right now?
In my opinion, no. Not even RC. The competition level is that high right now with RD, RV, Barcia and some others. So, I do not believe anyone could.

Could James win the Championship?
Yes, if he wanted to, because he is as much of a threat as all those mentioned above.
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`ol Ger 9/4/2011 6:19am
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I agree, David.
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I agree, David.
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I watch these guys ride over the last few years, and I think the sport has changed a lot. In past years, you really didn't see guys absolutely going WFO on 450s like you do now - which implies that bike setup and tuning is more important than ever. Launch modes, EFI tuning, gear-specific engine management, internal gear ratio changes - all that stuff has created a scenario in which you have a number of riders who are just pinned from corner to corner.

I don't think James was ever as good at setup as some of the other guys were. In the past it didn't matter as much as it does now, but these days it matters a lot. It makes me wonder: Is a sport that has always been 90% rider, starting to change to where it's 70% rider as far as being great on race day, 10% testing and 20% team?
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bubba showed us last summer he will never go 24-0 again with his pathetic attempt to exist in the outdoors for a spot on des nation.................a 24-0 season just shows us how bad the field was,if the stars align again and the top riders are out ,he may win a moto again outdoors ............Alessi, had he not been paved over would have won a moto ........what are all his fans gonna do when Rv whips his ass again in stupidcross.
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James doesn't have the inner focus for a pefect season thats why he doen't race outdoors anymore, he doesn't want to work on his biggest weakness.
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bubba showed us last summer he will never go 24-0 again with his pathetic attempt to exist in the outdoors for a spot on des nation.................a...
bubba showed us last summer he will never go 24-0 again with his pathetic attempt to exist in the outdoors for a spot on des nation.................a 24-0 season just shows us how bad the field was,if the stars align again and the top riders are out ,he may win a moto again outdoors ............Alessi, had he not been paved over would have won a moto ........what are all his fans gonna do when Rv whips his ass again in stupidcross.
Cool story bro.
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ODB wrote:
bubba showed us last summer he will never go 24-0 again with his pathetic attempt to exist in the outdoors for a spot on des nation.................a...
bubba showed us last summer he will never go 24-0 again with his pathetic attempt to exist in the outdoors for a spot on des nation.................a 24-0 season just shows us how bad the field was,if the stars align again and the top riders are out ,he may win a moto again outdoors ............Alessi, had he not been paved over would have won a moto ........what are all his fans gonna do when Rv whips his ass again in stupidcross.
You're a moron. Stewart was the only guy who consistently took it to RC, he's raced the best who ever lived and sometimes beat him. The idea that he never was all that good outdoors shows your total lack of brainpower.

And Alessi was going to win a moto? You're dreaming.
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`ol Ger 9/4/2011 7:17am
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`ol Ger wrote:
I agree, David.
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ODB wrote:
bubba showed us last summer he will never go 24-0 again with his pathetic attempt to exist in the outdoors for a spot on des nation.................a...
bubba showed us last summer he will never go 24-0 again with his pathetic attempt to exist in the outdoors for a spot on des nation.................a 24-0 season just shows us how bad the field was,if the stars align again and the top riders are out ,he may win a moto again outdoors ............Alessi, had he not been paved over would have won a moto ........what are all his fans gonna do when Rv whips his ass again in stupidcross.
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You're a moron. Stewart was the only guy who consistently took it to RC, he's raced the best who ever lived and sometimes beat him. The...
You're a moron. Stewart was the only guy who consistently took it to RC, he's raced the best who ever lived and sometimes beat him. The idea that he never was all that good outdoors shows your total lack of brainpower.

And Alessi was going to win a moto? You're dreaming.
i think your a moron bro ,where do i say hes not a legend ,was not talking about 6-7 years ago bud ,get off his nutsack and pay attention ........what has he done outdoors lately except rape the fan loyalty he built
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I think with a great bike he could still do very well. 24-0, maybe not but win many for sure. All the "logical" types will say "bro, it's not the bike it's the rider blah blah blah" but anyone can see he struggles with that bike. RV2 proved that the bike can certainly help or they wouldn't have switched bikes mid season... and then he looks like a totally different rider KILLING IT!
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chrisbuehler 9/4/2011 8:36am
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Wasnt James a big proponent behind smoothing the tracks out like they did in 08? How fast could he go on the knarly tracks today? And for two 35min motis! The Ryans are pushing each other to new levels, no way would he win 8 overalls against them
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The worst career decision he could of made was signing with L&M while in his prime. Larry Brooks is a great team manager and is great at what he does, I believe his new team will do well. But for someone with the status like James has, supercross only contracts are not a good desicion.

Then again I don't know anything, its just my opinion so don't hate if you disagrre
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RandyS wrote:
Is there anyone out there who still believes JS7 could go 24-0 or even leave those guys.

And by JS7, I mean James Stewart from 2008.
James talent level is far and above those guys, just needs focus.

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In what parallel universe would Stewart have won the championship in? In my universe Stewart crashed out of as many SX races as he won and...
In what parallel universe would Stewart have won the championship in? In my universe Stewart crashed out of as many SX races as he won and bike set up is even more critical outdoors.

Bottom line is rub a lamp if you think Stewart could have won this year's title or for that matter will EVER win another outdoor title.

James proved he could buy a race team....but he's yet to prove he is capable of focusing to the point of being a consistent winner again. I hope he returns to form as he is a great rider and adds a lot to the races but I think his day in the sun is over.
The rock nailed this one.
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Some of you get so blinded by either your being a fan or being a hater, you're unrealistic. There's really a few questions in the initial...
Some of you get so blinded by either your being a fan or being a hater, you're unrealistic.

There's really a few questions in the initial question.

Can ANYONE have a perfect season with the competition what it is right now?
In my opinion, no. Not even RC. The competition level is that high right now with RD, RV, Barcia and some others. So, I do not believe anyone could.

Could James win the Championship?
Yes, if he wanted to, because he is as much of a threat as all those mentioned above.
Could James win the Championship? Yes, if he wanted to, because he is as much of a threat as all those mentioned above.

The question could James win the championship is about as relevant as the question "how much does the moon weigh?'

If memory serves correct I believe James wanted to win the 2011 SX title but wasn't able to do that so I don't see any way James could have won the outdoor title this season either especially when you look at how many outdoor races the guy has been in over the last three years.

Threads about Stewart winning championships are as relevant as the perpetual "JLaw is coming back" threads we see almost weekly. Lawrence isn't coming back and don't expect to see Stewart winning Nationals anytime soon either.
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Was there even anyone racing in 2008 that had won an outdoor 450 national overall?
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RandyS wrote:
Is there anyone out there who still believes JS7 could go 24-0 or even leave those guys.

And by JS7, I mean James Stewart from 2008.
Nope.

Everyone has picked up the pace.

CR, TC, RV, RD do not fear and believe they can beat JBS. And they can beat JBS.

Barcia believes he can run with everyone too. His fitness is suspect.
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The worst career decision he could of made was signing with L&M while in his prime. Larry Brooks is a great team manager and is great...
The worst career decision he could of made was signing with L&M while in his prime. Larry Brooks is a great team manager and is great at what he does, I believe his new team will do well. But for someone with the status like James has, supercross only contracts are not a good desicion.

Then again I don't know anything, its just my opinion so don't hate if you disagrre
I agree.

MC stated after his career that SX only hurted him in long run.
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I will state: I do believe the current SX series is too long. 14 SX and 12 MX races is perfect.

In sports.... the MX and SX season is very long.
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flarider 9/4/2011 12:49pm
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Some of you get so blinded by either your being a fan or being a hater, you're unrealistic. There's really a few questions in the initial...
Some of you get so blinded by either your being a fan or being a hater, you're unrealistic.

There's really a few questions in the initial question.

Can ANYONE have a perfect season with the competition what it is right now?
In my opinion, no. Not even RC. The competition level is that high right now with RD, RV, Barcia and some others. So, I do not believe anyone could.

Could James win the Championship?
Yes, if he wanted to, because he is as much of a threat as all those mentioned above.
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[b] Could James win the Championship? Yes, if he wanted to, because he is as much of a threat as all those mentioned above.[/b] The question...
Could James win the Championship? Yes, if he wanted to, because he is as much of a threat as all those mentioned above.

The question could James win the championship is about as relevant as the question "how much does the moon weigh?'

If memory serves correct I believe James wanted to win the 2011 SX title but wasn't able to do that so I don't see any way James could have won the outdoor title this season either especially when you look at how many outdoor races the guy has been in over the last three years.

Threads about Stewart winning championships are as relevant as the perpetual "JLaw is coming back" threads we see almost weekly. Lawrence isn't coming back and don't expect to see Stewart winning Nationals anytime soon either.
I think EVERYONE who lines up WANTS to win, the question is, who has the ability to do so, isn't it?
To dismiss James as not having the ability is pure silliness.

As for your comment "...and don't expect to see Stewart winning Nationals anytime soon either,"
Care to place a wager on James winning a National race at some point in the future?
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I think the days of anyone going 24-0 are over (thank god!), barring some crazy injury scenarios. But I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be in contention for the championship. RV is proof of the pudding, he missed 2 years of outdoors (plus add a horrific injury in that mix) and look where he is at now. Its crazy how fast the moto world forgets how good certain guys are, Pourcel springs to mind! I think if he put his head down he would still kick ass in the Nationals. Not go 24-0, but he'd be up there and winning. I do think another SX only contract for Bubba right now would be a bad move though. He is spending his athletic prime on the couch and the Ryan's have only got stronger and faster while he's been kicking it back this summer.
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The Rock 9/4/2011 1:58pm
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I think EVERYONE who lines up WANTS to win, the question is, who has the ability to do so, isn't it? To dismiss James as not...
I think EVERYONE who lines up WANTS to win, the question is, who has the ability to do so, isn't it?
To dismiss James as not having the ability is pure silliness.

As for your comment "...and don't expect to see Stewart winning Nationals anytime soon either,"
Care to place a wager on James winning a National race at some point in the future?
How many racers can you think of that missed for all intents and purposes TWO complete National (along with most of the 2010 SX series) seasons then returned to win Nationals? I've seen Stewart race for years and know that guy is talented as all get out (excuse me though if I don't jump on the 'fastest man on planet' bandwagon) but before making a bet about National performance I will first wait for an announcement he's racing outdoors again.

Placing a bet today on Stewart winning a National is right up there with wondering if he'd gone 24-0 this season.
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How many racers can you think of that missed for all intents and purposes TWO complete National (along with most of the 2010 SX series) seasons...
How many racers can you think of that missed for all intents and purposes TWO complete National (along with most of the 2010 SX series) seasons then returned to win Nationals? I've seen Stewart race for years and know that guy is talented as all get out (excuse me though if I don't jump on the 'fastest man on planet' bandwagon) but before making a bet about National performance I will first wait for an announcement he's racing outdoors again.

Placing a bet today on Stewart winning a National is right up there with wondering if he'd gone 24-0 this season.
How many racers can you think of that missed for all intents and purposes TWO complete National (along with most of the 2010 SX series) seasons then returned to win Nationals?

How about the dude leading the championship right now? With a brutal injury in that 2 year period too.
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You guys better hope Ringer doesnt come outta retirement, he would school 'Poto & Dungey !

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[b]How many racers can you think of that missed for all intents and purposes TWO complete National (along with most of the 2010 SX series) seasons...
How many racers can you think of that missed for all intents and purposes TWO complete National (along with most of the 2010 SX series) seasons then returned to win Nationals?

How about the dude leading the championship right now? With a brutal injury in that 2 year period too.
Good point but help me out please.

I remember why RV missed the Nationals last year but am drawing a blank about his 2009 National series....ah the haze is lifting. RV tweaked his knee practicing but I still can't recall at what point in the 2009 season this happened.

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