World Champions - Why Don't We Respect Them?

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From Penhall to Roberts to Spencer to Lackey, and a lot of others, we tend to turn a blind eye to these bad asses - unknowns here at home. These dudes gave it all up to go over to Europe and kick ass. When did being a World Champ lose it's credibility here in the U.S.? In fact, I'll go so far as to ask, why do we dislike World Champions in America?
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Hard to respect some after you see their mug-shot.
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Don't mistake dislike of the riders for dislike of the fanboyz. I'm sure there are some that actually dislike them, but, the majority of the animosity is directed towards the fan comments.

Same type comments are made towards James fanboyz,or any other rider fanboy.
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Pourcel, for example. He's not a popular person in the U.S. Yet, he's a World Champion and people here seem to forget that.
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Who doesn't respect world champions? I know I do. I put Everts right up there with RC.

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Pourcel, for example. He's not a popular person in the U.S. Yet, he's a World Champion and people here seem to forget that.
It is possible to dislike someone's public persona, while still respecting their achievements.
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Pourcel, for example. He's not a popular person in the U.S. Yet, he's a World Champion and people here seem to forget that.
You're only as popular as your last fuck up, it's the American way, people don't look for the good in most cases here, it's the bad, I'm sure each guy who get's branded with the hatred is stoked when someone new gets it and takes the heat off of them. CP hasn't been on his best behavior the past couple of months, hence his criticism here, if he starts to do well then we can all like him again per the rules of the board Wink

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LukeNesler107 7/15/2011 12:19pm
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Good point. It's crazy when people bash them because to be honest...no one on here could hold a candle to the guys who ride GP's. Just because they don't run the us circuit, don't mean we can't respect them.
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What's not to respect? Did you see what Everts did to "the fastest man on the planet"?
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What's not to respect? Did you see what Everts did to "the fastest man on the planet"?
Aha, Yeah, I laugh when I see that video. Everts rode around Bubs like he was on a fucking trail ride. Feet on the pegs, standing and smooth as smooooooooooth.

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Because you only really like the Champions where you live and grew up. If we were in Europe, we would be stoked about them. But, since we're in the US, all we care about really is SX and MX champions (and the current 2-stroke World Champion, of course). And yes, Cairoli could use some dental work. Not sure how much it would help, though.
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There are a lot of GP guys who come over here and kick ass. Guys from here going there and doing the same? Not so many. When Hughes and Brown returned from the GP's you could tell that they had cranked things up a notch and upped their game. Both went on to win a bunch.
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Because you only really like the Champions where you live and grew up. If we were in Europe, we would be stoked about them. But, since...
Because you only really like the Champions where you live and grew up. If we were in Europe, we would be stoked about them. But, since we're in the US, all we care about really is SX and MX champions (and the current 2-stroke World Champion, of course). And yes, Cairoli could use some dental work. Not sure how much it would help, though.
Yeah, that's true for the most part. But when I was a kid being a World Champion MX'er was bigger. Now no body gives a shit, at least not here.
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LukeNesler107 wrote:
Good point. It's crazy when people bash them because to be honest...no one on here could hold a candle to the guys who ride GP's. Just...
Good point. It's crazy when people bash them because to be honest...no one on here could hold a candle to the guys who ride GP's. Just because they don't run the us circuit, don't mean we can't respect them.
Are you nuts? There's no depth over there, I bet Ddavis could be a consistent top 10 guy. They stay over in backwards ass europe because they're scared.
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Are you nuts? There's no depth over there, I bet Ddavis could be a consistent top 10 guy. They stay over in backwards ass europe because...
Are you nuts? There's no depth over there, I bet Ddavis could be a consistent top 10 guy. They stay over in backwards ass europe because they're scared.
LMAO!!!
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Yeah, that's true for the most part. But when I was a kid being a World Champion MX'er was bigger. Now no body gives a shit...
Yeah, that's true for the most part. But when I was a kid being a World Champion MX'er was bigger. Now no body gives a shit, at least not here.
That is starting to roll over to the USGP and MXdN too. The interest is steadily decreasing.
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Probably because MXA for years and years promoted the idea that the GPs were a joke compared to the US National Series.
They are just different. The tracks are super tough, for one.
And some of it is just old fashioned American jingoism.
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newmann wrote:
What's not to respect? Did you see what Everts did to "the fastest man on the planet"?
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Aha, Yeah, I laugh when I see that video. Everts rode around Bubs like he was on a fucking trail ride. Feet on the pegs, standing...
Aha, Yeah, I laugh when I see that video. Everts rode around Bubs like he was on a fucking trail ride. Feet on the pegs, standing and smooth as smooooooooooth.

This MXdN is one that always makes me smile. Do you understand that if Carmichael had been there as leader of that team, and Stewart had been the MX3 rider, the ENTIRE dynamic would have been different? Stewart was not mentally ready to be leader of that team, but was thrown into that role when Carmichael was injured 2 weeks earlier at Glen Helen. It DEFINITELY affected his confidence and his riding. The Stewart everyone saw at the 2006 MXdN was NOT the Stewart who raced Carmichael during the Nationals in 2006. A Carmichael/Stewart/Villopoto Team USA would have had a different vibe altogether then the Stewart/Tedesco/Villopoto team., which had Tedesco just back from injury and horribly out of shape.

But we see hear over and over again how Everts beat Stewart, ad nauseum like it was some sort of miracle.

And then you wonder why we don't respect the "world" champions. I personally do respect the riders hugely. Their over-the-top fans...not so much.
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[quote="Pilot Wrote:"]But we see hear over and over again how Everts beat Stewart, ad nauseum like it was some sort of miracle. And then you wonder why we don't respect the "world" champions. I personally do respect the riders hugely[/quote]

If "we don't respect the 'world' champions", then why do you respect them?

You're talking out of two sides of your face.

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We respect them, but the interest in them is not what it used to be. There's a lot of reasons why people have lost interest in stuff outside of AMA MX and SX.
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希望 wrote:
[quote="[b]Pilot Wrote:[/b]"]But we see hear over and over again how Everts beat Stewart, ad nauseum like it was some sort of miracle. And then you wonder...
[quote="Pilot Wrote:"]But we see hear over and over again how Everts beat Stewart, ad nauseum like it was some sort of miracle. And then you wonder why we don't respect the "world" champions. I personally do respect the riders hugely[/quote]

If "we don't respect the 'world' champions", then why do you respect them?

You're talking out of two sides of your face.
You are talking out of your ass. I was paraphrasing the question and then making the statement that I do personally respect them.

Learn to read. It will help.
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newmann wrote:
What's not to respect? Did you see what Everts did to "the fastest man on the planet"?
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Aha, Yeah, I laugh when I see that video. Everts rode around Bubs like he was on a fucking trail ride. Feet on the pegs, standing...
Aha, Yeah, I laugh when I see that video. Everts rode around Bubs like he was on a fucking trail ride. Feet on the pegs, standing and smooth as smooooooooooth.

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This MXdN is one that always makes me smile. Do you understand that if Carmichael had been there as leader of that team, and Stewart had...
This MXdN is one that always makes me smile. Do you understand that if Carmichael had been there as leader of that team, and Stewart had been the MX3 rider, the ENTIRE dynamic would have been different? Stewart was not mentally ready to be leader of that team, but was thrown into that role when Carmichael was injured 2 weeks earlier at Glen Helen. It DEFINITELY affected his confidence and his riding. The Stewart everyone saw at the 2006 MXdN was NOT the Stewart who raced Carmichael during the Nationals in 2006. A Carmichael/Stewart/Villopoto Team USA would have had a different vibe altogether then the Stewart/Tedesco/Villopoto team., which had Tedesco just back from injury and horribly out of shape.

But we see hear over and over again how Everts beat Stewart, ad nauseum like it was some sort of miracle.

And then you wonder why we don't respect the "world" champions. I personally do respect the riders hugely. Their over-the-top fans...not so much.
Pilotdude,
Why is it so difficult for Stewart and his fans to just admit he was beat that day by a better rider? All the RC crashed, team dynamic bullshit excuses can't re-write history. This was Stefan's last race and he wanted to go out with a bang. Even a fully fit RC would have struggled to beat Everts that day at the MXDN 2006.

They say we all can learn by our mistakes, so if Bubba actually analysed the reasons why he got beat, smoother rider , arcing the corners standing up on pegs to absorb ruts, better choice of lines etc, he would be able to better handle such a challenge next time.
I respect riders from all over the world, AMA riders and GP riders alike, but to try and be-little what Stefan achieved that day is scraping the barrel.
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希望 wrote:
Pourcel, for example. He's not a popular person in the U.S. Yet, he's a World Champion and people here seem to forget that.
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You're only as popular as your last fuck up, it's the American way, people don't look for the good in most cases here, it's the bad...
You're only as popular as your last fuck up, it's the American way, people don't look for the good in most cases here, it's the bad, I'm sure each guy who get's branded with the hatred is stoked when someone new gets it and takes the heat off of them. CP hasn't been on his best behavior the past couple of months, hence his criticism here, if he starts to do well then we can all like him again per the rules of the board Wink

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[quote="Pilot Dude Wrote:"]You are talking out of your ass[/quote]

Bubs was beat that day, by a World Champion.
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Pilotdude, Why is it so difficult for Stewart and his fans to just admit he was beat that day by a better rider? All the RC...
Pilotdude,
Why is it so difficult for Stewart and his fans to just admit he was beat that day by a better rider? All the RC crashed, team dynamic bullshit excuses can't re-write history. This was Stefan's last race and he wanted to go out with a bang. Even a fully fit RC would have struggled to beat Everts that day at the MXDN 2006.

They say we all can learn by our mistakes, so if Bubba actually analysed the reasons why he got beat, smoother rider , arcing the corners standing up on pegs to absorb ruts, better choice of lines etc, he would be able to better handle such a challenge next time.
I respect riders from all over the world, AMA riders and GP riders alike, but to try and be-little what Stefan achieved that day is scraping the barrel.
Why is it so difficult for you euro weenies to admit that any world championship has an asterisk as it is a second rate series?

If the Canadian nats were renamed the Universe championship does that make our winner the best rider in the universe?

Everts wouldn't have won anything if he had the balls to race overseas. Big fish small pond.
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Why is it so difficult for you euro weenies to admit that any world championship has an asterisk as it is a second rate series? If...
Why is it so difficult for you euro weenies to admit that any world championship has an asterisk as it is a second rate series?

If the Canadian nats were renamed the Universe championship does that make our winner the best rider in the universe?

Everts wouldn't have won anything if he had the balls to race overseas. Big fish small pond.
You roll me how you like to stir shit so deeply, believe it or not I do get your humor.

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From Penhall to Roberts to Spencer to Lackey, and a lot of others, we tend to turn a blind eye to these bad asses - unknowns...
From Penhall to Roberts to Spencer to Lackey, and a lot of others, we tend to turn a blind eye to these bad asses - unknowns here at home. These dudes gave it all up to go over to Europe and kick ass. When did being a World Champ lose it's credibility here in the U.S.? In fact, I'll go so far as to ask, why do we dislike World Champions in America?
Kenny Roberts not known? are you for real? Most of the roadracers you named from the US had pretty good careers racing dirt track 1st. Then Brad & Danny had good careers here (National Champions) before going to the Euros wars.
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robkinuk wrote:
Pilotdude, Why is it so difficult for Stewart and his fans to just admit he was beat that day by a better rider? All the RC...
Pilotdude,
Why is it so difficult for Stewart and his fans to just admit he was beat that day by a better rider? All the RC crashed, team dynamic bullshit excuses can't re-write history. This was Stefan's last race and he wanted to go out with a bang. Even a fully fit RC would have struggled to beat Everts that day at the MXDN 2006.

They say we all can learn by our mistakes, so if Bubba actually analysed the reasons why he got beat, smoother rider , arcing the corners standing up on pegs to absorb ruts, better choice of lines etc, he would be able to better handle such a challenge next time.
I respect riders from all over the world, AMA riders and GP riders alike, but to try and be-little what Stefan achieved that day is scraping the barrel.
"Even a fully fit RC would have struggled to beat Everts that day at the MXDN 2006."

You are fucking high.

I am not saying Everts wasn't a great world champion, becuase he obviously was and set the standard. But there is no way in the world I will ever believe RC would have had trouble beating him in 06. Christ, he didn't "dominate" JS like so many think on that day. Did he pass him? Yes. Did JS pass him first? yes.

Woulda, coulda shoulda, I dont really care.. but if you think the GOAT would have trouble with Everts on that day, I will disrespectfully disagree anyday.
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Kenny Roberts not known? are you for real? Most of the roadracers you named from the US had pretty good careers racing dirt track 1st. Then...
Kenny Roberts not known? are you for real? Most of the roadracers you named from the US had pretty good careers racing dirt track 1st. Then Brad & Danny had good careers here (National Champions) before going to the Euros wars.
I know who they are and what they achieved.

You missed the point of the post.
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congrats for the lamest post ever on vital...and speak for yerself
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congrats for the lamest post ever on vital...and speak for yerself
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