MXoN - Roczen versus Villopoto or Dungey

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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 2:24am
If America do send the Dream Team of Stewart, Villopoto and Dungey, and Dungey or Villopoto ride the MX2 class, does Roczen beat them?

That will be the highlight of the weekend I think. I go with Roczen on a KTM, he will smoke them off the start.

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chrisbuehler 5/26/2011 12:09pm
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Roczen on a .....450?
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chrisbuehler wrote:
Roczen on a .....450?
No, Dungey or RV on 250.
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chrisbuehler 5/26/2011 12:16pm
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chrisbuehler wrote:
Roczen on a .....450?
kongols wrote:
No, Dungey or RV on 250.
Oh gotcha. He would def smoke Dungey on the start thats for sure. He prob outweighs Ken by 30lbs. I wouldnt pick against Roczen especially going against 450 riders who were moving down to 250's.
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carlosmacho 5/26/2011 12:16pm
5/26/2011 12:16pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2011 12:19pm
It would make a statement if Roczen could holeshot and win both motos like RV did at the MXON in 07

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kongols 5/26/2011 12:18pm
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carlosmacho wrote:
It would make a statement if Roczen could holeshot and win both motos like RV did at the MXON in 07
That would be sweet.
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Sondy132001 5/26/2011 12:19pm
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Good grief can we save this argument until at least end of July please????

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Davey762 5/26/2011 12:20pm
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RV vs roczen on a 250f.... my money is on RV no question. Don't think RV would go back down to a 250f though.
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Reasonable people can disagree on this, but Stewart is not on my dream team. It's not the SX des Nations, and Stewart learned last year that RDC isn't interested in part time MXers.

I don't want to hijack the thread, though - if RV or RD drop down to the 250 class, does Roczen beat them?

I'd say he probably does, although when I think RV + MX2 +MXoN I think Budds Creek, then thinking of someone beating him on a 250 is pretty hard to imagine.

But it's a team race and Germany doesn't have a 3rd rider, so I could see the US 250 rider not worrying about chasing down or holding off Roczen. The only downside to letting him run away would be listening to you all year...;-)
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Sondy132001 wrote:
Good grief can we save this argument until at least end of July please????

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No, it`s a priority one.
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morning_stiffy 5/26/2011 12:21pm
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I think Roczen would beat Dungey on a 250, it would be close though.

Villopoto, I doubt Roczen would beat him, when he was in his prime, now, it would probably be a close race, but I think Roczen would take it.
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mxgeoff wrote:
If America do send the Dream Team of Stewart, Villopoto and Dungey, and Dungey or Villopoto ride the MX2 class, does Roczen beat them? That will...
If America do send the Dream Team of Stewart, Villopoto and Dungey, and Dungey or Villopoto ride the MX2 class, does Roczen beat them?

That will be the highlight of the weekend I think. I go with Roczen on a KTM, he will smoke them off the start.

Geoff
"Dream Team"????? WTF???

Stewart won't be picked. He couldn't set his bike up properly for the one race he tried last year, remember? Besides, Malcom (the only Stewart racing outdoors this year) isn't anywhere near ready for MXdN

Why would we have our MX1 and MX3 guys drop down to a 250? Especially when A) We don't know how our National series is going to shake out (Barcia, Tomac, Baggett, etc) and Cool We have a perfectly good Yank over in England right now who's pretty good on a 250, and who's team already has a bike in Europe that's already tested to FIM specs.
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Sondy132001 wrote:
Good grief can we save this argument until at least end of July please????

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I agree.
Geoff whole purpose for ever posting here is to stir it up the Euro vs USA thing.
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carlosmacho 5/26/2011 12:27pm
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grover738 wrote:
Reasonable people can disagree on this, but Stewart is not on my dream team. It's not the SX des Nations, and Stewart learned last year that...
Reasonable people can disagree on this, but Stewart is not on my dream team. It's not the SX des Nations, and Stewart learned last year that RDC isn't interested in part time MXers.

I don't want to hijack the thread, though - if RV or RD drop down to the 250 class, does Roczen beat them?

I'd say he probably does, although when I think RV + MX2 +MXoN I think Budds Creek, then thinking of someone beating him on a 250 is pretty hard to imagine.

But it's a team race and Germany doesn't have a 3rd rider, so I could see the US 250 rider not worrying about chasing down or holding off Roczen. The only downside to letting him run away would be listening to you all year...;-)
But really, how much different would it be than sending Short, Tedesco or Ferry in years past, only that Stewie is much faster than all of them even on a bad day (if he doesn't crash. To say Stewart is not one of our fastest riders I think is unreasonable. It is reasonable to say he crashes a lot and could jebrodize a championship if he did, but I think he understands that and would ride for the team and not himself, though I could be wrong.

"But it's a team race and Germany doesn't have a 3rd rider, so I could see the US 250 rider not worrying about chasing down or holding off Roczen."

I agree, which is why even a win from Roczen doesn't prove much. But it doesn't need to, we know Roczen is fast. I guess we wait till next year for him to come to America but then he will be racing against our latest crop of newbies because some of the fast guys will move up to 450s.
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Here's another scenario: Canard will (supposedly) be ready by then, and will have raced several nationals. I'm not so sure TC wouldn't be the better canditate. BTW, my MXoN "dream" team is RV, RD and TC.
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carlosmacho 5/26/2011 12:29pm
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Sondy132001 wrote:
Good grief can we save this argument until at least end of July please????

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neverwas wrote:
I agree.
Geoff whole purpose for ever posting here is to stir it up the Euro vs USA thing.
Sure but it is fun to debate, if you don't like debating it, don't read the post, you know it is fishing bait just by the title
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carlosmacho wrote:
But really, how much different would it be than sending Short, Tedesco or Ferry in years past, only that Stewie is much faster than all of...
But really, how much different would it be than sending Short, Tedesco or Ferry in years past, only that Stewie is much faster than all of them even on a bad day (if he doesn't crash. To say Stewart is not one of our fastest riders I think is unreasonable. It is reasonable to say he crashes a lot and could jebrodize a championship if he did, but I think he understands that and would ride for the team and not himself, though I could be wrong.

"But it's a team race and Germany doesn't have a 3rd rider, so I could see the US 250 rider not worrying about chasing down or holding off Roczen."

I agree, which is why even a win from Roczen doesn't prove much. But it doesn't need to, we know Roczen is fast. I guess we wait till next year for him to come to America but then he will be racing against our latest crop of newbies because some of the fast guys will move up to 450s.
WTF does your last sentence mean? Are you suggesting Roczen is sandbagging?
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mxgeoff 5/26/2011 12:33pm
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chrisbuehler wrote:
Roczen on a .....450?
I think you would see him on a 350 before he ever rode a 450....

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Sondy132001 wrote:
Good grief can we save this argument until at least end of July please????

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It will be July before we know it..............
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Sondy132001 wrote:
Good grief can we save this argument until at least end of July please????

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neverwas wrote:
I agree.
Geoff whole purpose for ever posting here is to stir it up the Euro vs USA thing.
carlosmacho wrote:
Sure but it is fun to debate, if you don't like debating it, don't read the post, you know it is fishing bait just by the...
Sure but it is fun to debate, if you don't like debating it, don't read the post, you know it is fishing bait just by the title
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mxgeoff 5/26/2011 12:41pm
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Sondy132001 wrote:
Good grief can we save this argument until at least end of July please????

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neverwas wrote:
I agree.
Geoff whole purpose for ever posting here is to stir it up the Euro vs USA thing.
True!!!!!!
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neverwas wrote:
I agree.
Geoff whole purpose for ever posting here is to stir it up the Euro vs USA thing.
carlosmacho wrote:
Sure but it is fun to debate, if you don't like debating it, don't read the post, you know it is fishing bait just by the...
Sure but it is fun to debate, if you don't like debating it, don't read the post, you know it is fishing bait just by the title
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1. Stewart will not be on Team U.S.A. if the past is a reliable predictor.

2. Team U.S.A. will probably be Villopoto, Dungey, and Baggett or Tomac based on events so far. Strong, strong team.

3. Roczen will be fast, and the 250f is not necessarily a disadvantage against 450s. Villopoto beat them all at Budd's Creek in 2007.

4. We already saw Roczen VS Dungey in Colorado last year. Dungey by a mile. Same thing in France this year...who knows? Is Roczen faster this year than last? Is Dungey?
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mxgeoff wrote:
If America do send the Dream Team of Stewart, Villopoto and Dungey, and Dungey or Villopoto ride the MX2 class, does Roczen beat them? That will...
If America do send the Dream Team of Stewart, Villopoto and Dungey, and Dungey or Villopoto ride the MX2 class, does Roczen beat them?

That will be the highlight of the weekend I think. I go with Roczen on a KTM, he will smoke them off the start.

Geoff
If he got thrown into the 450 nats right now ,itd be a stretch for rocz to podium.6 mos from now at a one race deal.Definitely He could pull a magoo.IMHO
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Happy 50th Birthday for the other day Geoff!

Glad to see age hasn't diminished your ability to wind up the Vital faithful!
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Why bring Stewarts name in the mix, he s a sx only rider/actor!
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carlosmacho wrote:
But really, how much different would it be than sending Short, Tedesco or Ferry in years past, only that Stewie is much faster than all of...
But really, how much different would it be than sending Short, Tedesco or Ferry in years past, only that Stewie is much faster than all of them even on a bad day (if he doesn't crash. To say Stewart is not one of our fastest riders I think is unreasonable. It is reasonable to say he crashes a lot and could jebrodize a championship if he did, but I think he understands that and would ride for the team and not himself, though I could be wrong.

"But it's a team race and Germany doesn't have a 3rd rider, so I could see the US 250 rider not worrying about chasing down or holding off Roczen."

I agree, which is why even a win from Roczen doesn't prove much. But it doesn't need to, we know Roczen is fast. I guess we wait till next year for him to come to America but then he will be racing against our latest crop of newbies because some of the fast guys will move up to 450s.
Making excuses for him winning already huh?

The Yanks sure are incredibly scared of that little Gerry kidLaughing
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Sondy132001 wrote:
Good grief can we save this argument until at least end of July please????

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neverwas wrote:
I agree.
Geoff whole purpose for ever posting here is to stir it up the Euro vs USA thing.
mxgeoff wrote:
True!!!!!!
He even admits it... My opinion?... They will take any win and call it "beating the U.S... What a joke... I don't believe that our best has been beat, since 1983,
over there or over here... JS coasted to an overall behind the Euro God, S.E. who was riding his heart out...
Thats how I saw it, among others... I wasn't by myself... America still WON... imagine that... Beat America for the overall or... Shut it... Quit stirring the same old, wore out, crap... Win convincingly and still shut it... or... Lower yourselves and argue and gloat, thats how I see any euro after putting up with your bias and many times, contrary to reality opinions... This must be the time for the euros to show up and create their fantasy... I was starting to like Roczen... Until they reminded me who he represents...
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mxgeoff wrote:
If America do send the Dream Team of Stewart, Villopoto and Dungey, and Dungey or Villopoto ride the MX2 class, does Roczen beat them? That will...
If America do send the Dream Team of Stewart, Villopoto and Dungey, and Dungey or Villopoto ride the MX2 class, does Roczen beat them?

That will be the highlight of the weekend I think. I go with Roczen on a KTM, he will smoke them off the start.

Geoff
Baggett on the 250. RV and Dungey on the big bikes. Roczen should just worry about beating Baggett when it comes time.

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