"Your" cardio workout?

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5/25/2011 2:30pm Edited Date/Time 5/25/2011 2:30pm
IWreckALot wrote:
The heart rate monitor is an excellent idea. I started running about 6 or 7 months ago and found that I could pace myself better if...
The heart rate monitor is an excellent idea. I started running about 6 or 7 months ago and found that I could pace myself better if I watched a monitor. This helps build distance faster.

Running is definitely the best training for those times when you stall your bike and have to kick it 100 times for it to start. That used to kill my cardio. However I've had to tone it down to bicycle riding because I was killing my knees and achilles tendon and shins every day.

I saw someone say that riding a road bike is better for you to build cardio but I'll argue that I have more fun cutting up the trails and it makes me want to stay and ride longer.
too many granola munching pricks around here to ride the trails too often.

i have a stationary with moving arms that keeps me going pretty good.... when i use it.

i've been mostly using the 12oz. curl method
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you don't have to kill yourself in order to improve your cardio. TriRacer had a great idea with the circuit training. However, that shouldn't be the only way you get your cardio in. Minimum 3 days a week and Heart rate should be anywhere from 70%-85%. if you are doing some light resistance training, you might want to take a few days off during the weekend or alternate days between resistance training and cardio. like the old saying goes, keep it simple stupid!
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go surfing!
I think its better than rowing for moto (except very little lower body exercise)
5/25/2011 4:01pm
Sorry to sound like a broken record but along with everyone else I can testify to running. The greatest thing about running is that it's free (though I'd recommend a specialised pair of running trainers). It's also hard! That's another great thing about it, there's really no way of doing it half assed.

It isn't so easy to subconsciously give yourself an easy time, so you end up just going through the motions. If you're running an 8 mile route but are still 3 miles from home then you have to make it. You made it 2 or 3 days ago so you force yourself to do it again. This teaches you to dig deep and overcome intense suffering. The only downside is injury.

It's easy to damage your knees or make yourself sick through over training. As a result rarely do I run more than 2 times per week. Last year I kept making myself sick (exercise releases stress hormone cortisol, hindering immune system) trying to run everyday but Iv'e learnt from my previous mistakes.

Swimming is also good when possible.
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I mountain bike quite a bit on a single speed and occasionally do a race. Over the last few weeks I've began to road bike (about 26-50 miles) and I can tell it helps out my mountain biking endurance enormously. The last time I mountain biked I felt 20% stronger which is a huge difference. If you decide to road bike though, watch out for cars!
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I just started something new recently. I have always enjoyed running single track trails on several of the mountains close to me. Some of the trails have really steep inclines to them and moderate declines and there is a lot of rocks and roots to keep my attention(kind of like picking lines on an MX track). To change it up a little, I now run 5-6 minutes, stop and rapidly do a set of push-ups, start running for another 5-6 minutes and stop and crank out another set of push-ups and so on...... I usually vary my running time between 40 to 90+ minutes.

Also, Timmy Ferry told me you can never replace seat time when possible. That's the problem for most of us I would guess.
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"Your" cardio workout?


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smeg wrote:
"Your" cardio workout?


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I mountain bike quite a bit on a single speed and occasionally do a race. Over the last few weeks I've began to road bike (about...
I mountain bike quite a bit on a single speed and occasionally do a race. Over the last few weeks I've began to road bike (about 26-50 miles) and I can tell it helps out my mountain biking endurance enormously. The last time I mountain biked I felt 20% stronger which is a huge difference. If you decide to road bike though, watch out for cars!
you nailed it.
since you mentioned that you own a mtb. ride it in one gear in the trails. also can be used for road riding w/ a pair of slicks as well
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I mountain bike quite a bit on a single speed and occasionally do a race. Over the last few weeks I've began to road bike (about...
I mountain bike quite a bit on a single speed and occasionally do a race. Over the last few weeks I've began to road bike (about 26-50 miles) and I can tell it helps out my mountain biking endurance enormously. The last time I mountain biked I felt 20% stronger which is a huge difference. If you decide to road bike though, watch out for cars!
Hank....when you are doing the 50 miles....how long does that usually take? About 2 - 2.5 hrs?
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I mountain bike quite a bit on a single speed and occasionally do a race. Over the last few weeks I've began to road bike (about...
I mountain bike quite a bit on a single speed and occasionally do a race. Over the last few weeks I've began to road bike (about 26-50 miles) and I can tell it helps out my mountain biking endurance enormously. The last time I mountain biked I felt 20% stronger which is a huge difference. If you decide to road bike though, watch out for cars!
jeffro503 wrote:
Hank....when you are doing the 50 miles....how long does that usually take? About 2 - 2.5 hrs?
About 2.5-3, all depends on the pace. We hammered a century in 6 1/2 at an a average pace of 17mph...
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My program:

Stretch/warm up

Swimming with boogie board hand gloves to increases the resistance.
Breast stroke
Freestyle
Back stroke
Side stroke
Each one 4 or 8 laps (depending on your fitness level) in a cycle
WITHOUT stopping, not even a slight pause at the end of the pool.

Running forwards and backwards in the pool using your arms to help push you through the water,
4 to 8 laps

Rest walk around in the pool, bit of stretching

Under water lap

Jogging on the spot for a warm down in the pool stretching as you do it

Full stretch in shower with hot water on your back, calves, thighs

Works so much of your body, and the cardio of having to control your breathing cannot be matched.
I noticed I am able to control my breathing much better when swim training
I found I dont breath properly when racing and hold it for long sections obviously making me tire quicker

I cycle as well.
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The best racing shape I've ever been in was a period when I road biked 50 miles a day, five days a week. Unfortunately, too many cars and cell phones have ruined road training for me.
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10 laps on Reflex gets my heart pumping.

Then rest. I can not even begin to tell you how important the rest part is.
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CamP wrote:
The best racing shape I've ever been in was a period when I road biked 50 miles a day, five days a week. Unfortunately, too many...
The best racing shape I've ever been in was a period when I road biked 50 miles a day, five days a week. Unfortunately, too many cars and cell phones have ruined road training for me.
HOLY SHIT camp! You should of been made of steel. My crap lungs would of needed a transplant by Wednesday.
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Man....this thread has turned out awesome! I have gotten so many good ideas from this! Cool to see what other do , to stay in shape.
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5/25/2011 9:09pm Edited Date/Time 5/25/2011 9:10pm
I mountain bike quite a bit on a single speed and occasionally do a race. Over the last few weeks I've began to road bike (about...
I mountain bike quite a bit on a single speed and occasionally do a race. Over the last few weeks I've began to road bike (about 26-50 miles) and I can tell it helps out my mountain biking endurance enormously. The last time I mountain biked I felt 20% stronger which is a huge difference. If you decide to road bike though, watch out for cars!
jeffro503 wrote:
Hank....when you are doing the 50 miles....how long does that usually take? About 2 - 2.5 hrs?
The last time I did 50 took about three hours - if I remember correctly - on a old chunk of steel from the 1970's (mine). The last 26 mile ride I did was on a $1,400 borrowed bike and my friend and I averaged 18mph. I've only done three road bike rides so far this year and I could tell an improvement with my mountain bike stamina. Haven't got to ride this week because of storms and tornadoes! I've still got a ways to go, too. I was feeling pretty confident going into my first 26-mile ride with some of the fastest roadies in my county (they race around Oklahoma), and they whooped my ass!!! while I was on the expensive bike...
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5/25/2011 9:47pm Edited Date/Time 5/25/2011 9:49pm
CamP wrote:
The best racing shape I've ever been in was a period when I road biked 50 miles a day, five days a week. Unfortunately, too many...
The best racing shape I've ever been in was a period when I road biked 50 miles a day, five days a week. Unfortunately, too many cars and cell phones have ruined road training for me.
jeffro503 wrote:
HOLY SHIT camp! You should of been made of steel. My crap lungs would of needed a transplant by Wednesday.
I was young, poor and had a lot of free time. Seemed like a good way to whittle away the time. It was cool because I could ride a tank of gas out without hardly breaking a sweat. Now it's five laps and I'm out.
5/25/2011 9:54pm
When i raced full time, i learned a few excercise"s , from a former navy ship mate of mine, that went to BUDS training and didnt make it all the way thru, sissor kicks, stomach crunchs, push ups,pull ups sit ups,along with running,swiming and other cross training,,(im not a super big running fan) i liked playing tennis for the endurance factor of it.

But another aspect people forget, is the mental part of it,,you can be the most in shape dude any where, and if your head doesnt believe it, you wont succeed..learn how to be mentally tough, thats the hard part,they have books that teach, how to be mentally tough,http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Psycho-Cybernetics/Maxwell-Maltz/e/978…, this is a book thats recommended reading for guys that are either attempting navy seals or soon to be,,

I also like a quote i found ,,,,"The difference between combat and sports is, that in combat you bury the guy that came in second place" that was from an unidentified us navy seal, on Discovery program named US Navy Seals 2 1999,,

another quote from a movie i also like,, "a bird can fall, dead from a bow, and never once in that birds life did he ever feel sorry for his self" thats from the movie GI Jane, and the head instructer was lectering on mental toughness.
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I need to get into road biking i think. My knee is so jacked. Ive been running 3-4 miles about 3-4 times a week and jumping rope and my acl feels like its gonna snap.
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I need to get into road biking i think. My knee is so jacked. Ive been running 3-4 miles about 3-4 times a week and jumping...
I need to get into road biking i think. My knee is so jacked. Ive been running 3-4 miles about 3-4 times a week and jumping rope and my acl feels like its gonna snap.
Take care of your knees.
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CamP wrote:
I was young, poor and had a lot of free time. Seemed like a good way to whittle away the time. It was cool because I...
I was young, poor and had a lot of free time. Seemed like a good way to whittle away the time. It was cool because I could ride a tank of gas out without hardly breaking a sweat. Now it's five laps and I'm out.
I'm the 5 lap champion at my local tracks. Unsure Grinning
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CamP wrote:
The best racing shape I've ever been in was a period when I road biked 50 miles a day, five days a week. Unfortunately, too many...
The best racing shape I've ever been in was a period when I road biked 50 miles a day, five days a week. Unfortunately, too many cars and cell phones have ruined road training for me.
CamP, should you decide to get back into it I can give you some road/gravel routes in the McKinney, Prosper, Celina, Anna, Melissa area that you would love. You can easily get 40-50 miles of lonely riding with some of the best hills in the area. Do it on a cross bike and you can pop in Erwin for a bonus lap of single track! I hate cars and cell phones as well, so this is the only area I will ride.
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First off does your doctor have you taking any medication? Albuterol inhaler, Advair disk, etc...... What has you doctor recommended to you since you had a previously punctured lung??

www.mxsportsmed.info
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LoudLove wrote:
Even expert/pro mountain bikers spend 70-80% of their seat time on road bikes. The off road training is primarily to keep skills in check, but for...
Even expert/pro mountain bikers spend 70-80% of their seat time on road bikes. The off road training is primarily to keep skills in check, but for a sustained cardio workout, they hit the pavement.

Don't forget about "band" training, which incorporates angles that free weights cannot simulate. Bands also improve your muscles aerobic capacity and put less stress on joints.

Want a well-rounded training regime? Look into P90X, or something similar. It improves strength, flexiblity, and endurance.

Finally: don't overtrain. There's a point of diminishing returns where each additional rep actually impedes your progress.
It's interesting that you say that. All the pro mtn bikers that I know spend most of their time on their mountain bikes. My in-law is a national champion in the pro class, and all he does is ride his mtn bike. His road bike gets ridden like once every 2-3 weeks.

Maybe it's b/c he's in CO where there's a boat load of great riding outside his door.
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I know this will sound funny to alot of you but I get some of the best cardio from doing things I need like, I split and cut alot of firewood every year to heat my house and garage. Cutting, splitting, stacking, unloading the truck. It wont apply to everyone but for me it works great, because i need to do it and it is a great all around workout. I figureI get alot of strength and cardio from it. I dont get tired when I ride a bike ever really, more of my hands and my carpel tunnel issues.

Also my best friend is a farmer and bales about 20k bales of hay and straw a year. I help him out by unloading wagons or in the barn. It is always fun watching some of the younger kids that come out to work get showed up by a 32 year old!

I want to get a concept rowing machine, they look like alot of fun and good work out to fill in from the times I cant do either due to weather etc.
5/26/2011 6:34am
2 days running for 45 min on treadmill at 6.5-7, 2 days on concept 2 rower for 5000m, 1 day a week a flip a tractor tire for 30 minutes (f'in hard!), 1 spin class on sat morning
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Learn about intervals, you can get a kick ass workout done in no time.

Concept2 is great, the only workout where I feel like I just rode. Watch Craigslist for old model C's, I got one for $300. I was also a mtn biker, then I got a road bike, and I love it. I like doing them both, but when it's hot out you stay much cooler on the road bike. Never thought I'd like road biking, but it's great. I'm getting so into it I'm thinking about shaving my legs!

Don't get worn out or intimidated about needing to work out 5-6 times a week. I've had great results just working out for 40-60 minutes 2-3 times a week, as long as you do it HARD.

I also recently went to a couple of Crossfit classes - wow. Not sold that all of the exercises would directly help you in motocross, but I love the high intensity and the variety aspect of it. I lifted this from a Crossfit page, thought it was great and would really work for moto:

WORLD-CLASS FITNESS IN 100 WORDS:
An excerpt from CrossFit Journal
• Eat meat and vegetables, nuts and seeds, some fruit, little starch and no sugar. Keep intake to levels that will support exercise but not body fat.

• Practice and train major lifts: Deadlift, clean, squat, presses, C&J, and snatch. Similarly, master the basics of gymnastics: pull-ups, dips, rope climb, push-ups, sit-ups, presses to handstand, pirouettes, flips, splits, and holds.

• Bike, run, swim, row, etc, hard and fast.

• Five or six days per week mix these elements in as many combinations and patterns as creativity will allow. Routine is the enemy. Keep workouts short and intense.

• Regularly learn and play new sports.

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