FMF and Energy Drinks

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 11:26am
I noticed that JGRMX has taken the FMF logos off the bike following Kawi's lead. Has FMF created a conflict of interest by putting out an energy drink? Almost every MX team has an energy drink main sponsor. What good is it for them to cause teams to take the logos off their bike?
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5/24/2011 5:53pm Edited Date/Time 5/24/2011 5:53pm
2thefront wrote:
I noticed that JGRMX has taken the FMF logos off the bike following Kawi's lead. Has FMF created a conflict of interest by putting out an...
I noticed that JGRMX has taken the FMF logos off the bike following Kawi's lead. Has FMF created a conflict of interest by putting out an energy drink? Almost every MX team has an energy drink main sponsor. What good is it for them to cause teams to take the logos off their bike?
because they can make way more $$$ off an energy drink than selling a few thousand pipes.

they can still make and sell good pipes.
5/24/2011 6:17pm
dboivin wrote:
because they can make way more $$$ off an energy drink than selling a few thousand pipes.

they can still make and sell good pipes.
You sure about that?

There are a few people on this board that might disagree with that from actual experience.
5/24/2011 6:19pm
Wouldn't surprise me to see team FMF Kawi next gear... or TOYOTA FMF Yamaha for JGR.
5/24/2011 6:20pm
Seems the only reason they stick around on Kawi without their logos is they are trying to get in for the long haul.

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5/24/2011 6:25pm
dboivin wrote:
because they can make way more $$$ off an energy drink than selling a few thousand pipes.

they can still make and sell good pipes.
TriRacer27 wrote:
You sure about that?

There are a few people on this board that might disagree with that from actual experience.
and a few people on this board hate energy drinks but it's still a billion dollar industry.
A few people on here hate 4 strokes. Yet they still dominate tracks.
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5/24/2011 6:31pm
Because they can.
5/24/2011 7:11pm
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Because they can.
Because they can Laughing Laughing Silly I see what you did
5/24/2011 7:21pm Edited Date/Time 5/24/2011 7:47pm
Does FMF make any chemical products? I hope they label their bottles carefully.
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5/24/2011 7:26pm
A couple things here.

1. The energy drink market is way over saturated, not the time to get into it.

2. Stick to your core business and what you know.
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5/24/2011 8:57pm
neysbo wrote:
A couple things here. 1. The energy drink market is way over saturated, not the time to get into it. 2. Stick to your core business...
A couple things here.

1. The energy drink market is way over saturated, not the time to get into it.

2. Stick to your core business and what you know.
You've been reading too many Jack Trout books. Emler, from what I know of him and his operation, can do whatever the hell he feels like.
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5/24/2011 9:17pm
I think it's having a few unintended consequences, like with Kawi amd JGR's sponsorships, and their involvement in the outdoor series.
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5/24/2011 9:37pm
GuyB wrote:
I think it's having a few unintended consequences, like with Kawi amd JGR's sponsorships, and their involvement in the outdoor series.
I'd say it's a pretty big gamble because of how much they are involved with sponsorship-wise and the conflicts that it produces, but, if they are able to break into the energy drink mainstream they can potentially make ungodly amounts of money. Until that bubble bursts at least. Only time will tell. If it doesn't work out how sturdy will those bridges be to cross back over?
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5/24/2011 9:48pm
I don't get why people buy energy drinks in the first place.
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5/24/2011 10:18pm
FMF vs muscle milk? Really? I can see why monster wants the fmf logos off the bikes... but why jgr wanting fmf off the bikes?
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if you look at whos handling it, the distribution, the marketing....it's actually gonna be a lot easier for them to break into the market over any random joe drink. FMF is actually quite well known brand before they even hit the beverage market. Do you really think emlers/fmf would risk conflicts of interest if it wasn't worth it? no businessman strives to fail....and from what i've seen for the last 25yrs, he pretty much a winner in the businessman world. i wouldn't bet against them.
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5/24/2011 11:21pm
Davey762 wrote:
FMF vs muscle milk? Really? I can see why monster wants the fmf logos off the bikes... but why jgr wanting fmf off the bikes?
a beverage is a beverage...although technically they may not be in the same beverage "category" any marketer with half a brain would guard that muscle milk sponsorship agreement and commitment with reckless abandon. why allow potential customers another option within the same marketing/advertising space??

but there is also some interesting personal stuff behind the scenes in regards to the FMF logos being absent from the JGR/Muscle Milk bikes... being that one of the top level sales exec's left Muscle Milk to help launch the FMF Drink... Blink
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dboivin wrote:
if you look at whos handling it, the distribution, the marketing....it's actually gonna be a lot easier for them to break into the market over any...
if you look at whos handling it, the distribution, the marketing....it's actually gonna be a lot easier for them to break into the market over any random joe drink. FMF is actually quite well known brand before they even hit the beverage market. Do you really think emlers/fmf would risk conflicts of interest if it wasn't worth it? no businessman strives to fail....and from what i've seen for the last 25yrs, he pretty much a winner in the businessman world. i wouldn't bet against them.
I forgot where I read it, (matthes maybe?) the FMF energy drink decision was made by Lil D
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5/25/2011 6:07am
I wanna FMF drink! Feel the power!
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5/25/2011 6:32am Edited Date/Time 5/25/2011 6:33am
The real question here is how does it mix with vodka?
5/25/2011 6:58am
I dont drink energy drinks at all,, only one time ever(got it free at Lorrettas,,,Monster) drank about a 3rd of it, started sweating, and my heart was racing,never drank one since..

However i would buy and try the FMF drink,, only because it says FMF on the can,,
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5/25/2011 8:05am
Gilletty wrote:
I don't get why people buy energy drinks in the first place.
Because often times they are not free. Grinning

sorry, I will move along now......
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rocrac wrote:
The real question here is how does it mix with vodka?
damn straight
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5/25/2011 8:58am
I noticed that they were no FMF banners on the Hangtown track this year! Guess Rockstar had a saying in that!
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I don't get it really DON'T get it: Look at the Formula1 I see there a Renault-Lotus team! DAMN a team name with two concurrent auto brands in it but both sponsoring 1 F1 team!! And the Russian rider at the team has an Russian auto brand as personal sponsor so 3 car brands sponsoring 1 team and it is all OK! But MX seems to be very narrow minded about this!!

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Switching to an FMF pipe gave me 3 horsepower.Will there energy drink do the same to me?

I would think they need to start another team to advertise this.
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5/25/2011 10:24am
MXMattii wrote:
I don't get it really DON'T get it: Look at the Formula1 I see there a Renault-Lotus team! DAMN a team name with two concurrent auto...
I don't get it really DON'T get it: Look at the Formula1 I see there a Renault-Lotus team! DAMN a team name with two concurrent auto brands in it but both sponsoring 1 F1 team!! And the Russian rider at the team has an Russian auto brand as personal sponsor so 3 car brands sponsoring 1 team and it is all OK! But MX seems to be very narrow minded about this!!

Renault Sells Its Stake in F1 Team to Group Lotus

by CRAIG SCOTT on DECEMBER 9, 2010

Arguably, during the 2010 season, the Renault team was misnamed. A Luxembourg-based investment group called Genii Capitial purchased a 75% or 80% (depending on which reports you believe) stake in the team, making Renault the minority stakeholder. Logically, the team might have been rebranded Genii Racing, or something along those lines. Apparently El Supremo Bernie Ecclestone was against that, however, as the sport had seen a noticeable exodus of manufacturers in previous years. Bernie wasn’t keen to lose another, so he persuaded the good folks at Genii and Renault not to change the team’s brand.

This year, the team will have a more serious identity crisis. Renault has finally confirmed their long range F1 plans, which have more to do with engine production than chassis development and team management., and accordingly, they’ve sold their remaining stake in the team to Proton, the company that also owns Group Lotus. As a result that next year the team will be rebranded Lotus Renault GP. Renault will be the engine supplier, but will not have an equity stake in the team.

But wait, there’s more. You’ll recall that one of this year’s rookie teams on the F1 grid was Lotus Racing. This is an entirely separate team that, coincidentally, will also be running Renault engines next year. Will there a relationship between the two teams? Yes and no. Lotus Racing is owned by an investment consortium, including Proton, that has controversially licensed the Lotus brand to the team now known as Lotus Racing. Whether Lotus Racing will continue to operate under that nomenclature has been brought into question. Lotus Group contends that Lotus Racing has actually violated the terms of the license, and the matter was recently adjudicated. Theoretically, the license has been revoked. Nevertheless, Lotus Racing contends that they will take to the grid next year with the Lotus brand intact.

Net result: two teams will take to the grid bearing the iconic Lotus brand next year, both powered by Renault power plants, and both owned in part by Proton. In the end, of course, the brand has very little to do with the actual team. The original Lotus was the creation of the brilliant Colin Chapman, who ran the team during its glory years when Jim Clark, Graham Hill, Jochen Rindt abnd Mario Andretti all won world titles. After Chapman died, the team began a long slide down a slippery slope. Chapman died in 1982, and in 1986 the Lotus holding company was sold to General Motors. GM, in turn, sold the company in 1993 to a company controlled by the owner of the Bugatti car company. The company again changed hands in 1996, with the Malaysian car company, Proton, acquiring a majority stake.

Confusing? The lawyers for all concerned must be having a field day. If you like playing the Six Degrees of Separation game, it won’t be much of a stretch to draw a line that connects Michael Schumacher (who won two titles with Benetton, which was later sold to Renault, now Lotus-Renault) to the aforementioned Lotus champs from the sixties and seventies, and on to Schumi’s own idol, Ayrton Senna, who was a Lotus pilot during the mid-eighties. (Note on Senna: the car was a dog when the great Brazilian drove it, and yet he managed to win six races in three seasons, along with 17 poles.)
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5/25/2011 10:33am
neysbo wrote:
A couple things here. 1. The energy drink market is way over saturated, not the time to get into it. 2. Stick to your core business...
A couple things here.

1. The energy drink market is way over saturated, not the time to get into it.

2. Stick to your core business and what you know.
You've been reading too many Jack Trout books. Emler, from what I know of him and his operation, can do whatever the hell he feels like.
From a risk management standpoint, licensing the brand is the preferred path. Licensing hedges the downside and provides upside with minimal investment--with the only real risk being the burning of reputational capital and other opportunitites foregone as a result of these efforts.

If, however, they are financially tied into production and distribution (and the risk and expenses attendant therewith) then the economics of doing the deal change exponentially and their prospects for success will likely require a public offering. Going public isn't for the faint of heart. Hell, Donnie didn't like working for Al-----I doubt he will cotton to the idea of asnwering to a bunch of institutional investors and hedge funds. Now, if he is looking to monetize his life's work and create an exit strategy from the entity he created, then.........

And, speaking of monetizing one's creation, I have always viewed Mitch as having the perfect vehicle for such a play---without an energy drink component to the corporate portfolio.

Hell, we're all guessing. The deal could be structured any number of ways. Hope they make it.

I gotta hop and go see my oldest kid graduate from college! Discuss among yourselves in the interim......
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From a risk management standpoint, licensing the brand is the preferred path. Licensing hedges the downside and provides upside with minimal investment--with the only real risk...
From a risk management standpoint, licensing the brand is the preferred path. Licensing hedges the downside and provides upside with minimal investment--with the only real risk being the burning of reputational capital and other opportunitites foregone as a result of these efforts.

If, however, they are financially tied into production and distribution (and the risk and expenses attendant therewith) then the economics of doing the deal change exponentially and their prospects for success will likely require a public offering. Going public isn't for the faint of heart. Hell, Donnie didn't like working for Al-----I doubt he will cotton to the idea of asnwering to a bunch of institutional investors and hedge funds. Now, if he is looking to monetize his life's work and create an exit strategy from the entity he created, then.........

And, speaking of monetizing one's creation, I have always viewed Mitch as having the perfect vehicle for such a play---without an energy drink component to the corporate portfolio.

Hell, we're all guessing. The deal could be structured any number of ways. Hope they make it.

I gotta hop and go see my oldest kid graduate from college! Discuss among yourselves in the interim......
That's real lawyery



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From a risk management standpoint, licensing the brand is the preferred path. Licensing hedges the downside and provides upside with minimal investment--with the only real risk...
From a risk management standpoint, licensing the brand is the preferred path. Licensing hedges the downside and provides upside with minimal investment--with the only real risk being the burning of reputational capital and other opportunitites foregone as a result of these efforts.

If, however, they are financially tied into production and distribution (and the risk and expenses attendant therewith) then the economics of doing the deal change exponentially and their prospects for success will likely require a public offering. Going public isn't for the faint of heart. Hell, Donnie didn't like working for Al-----I doubt he will cotton to the idea of asnwering to a bunch of institutional investors and hedge funds. Now, if he is looking to monetize his life's work and create an exit strategy from the entity he created, then.........

And, speaking of monetizing one's creation, I have always viewed Mitch as having the perfect vehicle for such a play---without an energy drink component to the corporate portfolio.

Hell, we're all guessing. The deal could be structured any number of ways. Hope they make it.

I gotta hop and go see my oldest kid graduate from college! Discuss among yourselves in the interim......
flarider wrote:
That's real lawyery



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Yes, but was it t-shirt worthy? Wink
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From a risk management standpoint, licensing the brand is the preferred path. Licensing hedges the downside and provides upside with minimal investment--with the only real risk...
From a risk management standpoint, licensing the brand is the preferred path. Licensing hedges the downside and provides upside with minimal investment--with the only real risk being the burning of reputational capital and other opportunitites foregone as a result of these efforts.

If, however, they are financially tied into production and distribution (and the risk and expenses attendant therewith) then the economics of doing the deal change exponentially and their prospects for success will likely require a public offering. Going public isn't for the faint of heart. Hell, Donnie didn't like working for Al-----I doubt he will cotton to the idea of asnwering to a bunch of institutional investors and hedge funds. Now, if he is looking to monetize his life's work and create an exit strategy from the entity he created, then.........

And, speaking of monetizing one's creation, I have always viewed Mitch as having the perfect vehicle for such a play---without an energy drink component to the corporate portfolio.

Hell, we're all guessing. The deal could be structured any number of ways. Hope they make it.

I gotta hop and go see my oldest kid graduate from college! Discuss among yourselves in the interim......
flarider wrote:
That's real lawyery



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Yes, but was it t-shirt worthy? Wink
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