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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Sounds constitutional to me.
So minors should be able to own/operate any weapon they want? No back ground check, no parent approval?
Banning and confiscation has never worked out well throughout history. Just ask the Jews how Hitler’s 1938 gun control worked out for them.
I don’t think we want anyone walking into a firearms store and buying RPGs and .50 caliber fully auto machine guns. There’s a reasonable common sense threshold there we need to achieve as a nation.
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Are minors considered citizens? Can they vote?
Background checks are unconstitutional.
You are equating banning and confiscation with any law. They are not the same.
“Shall not be Infringed”. Sounds like my position is supported by the Constitution of the United States; Bill of Rights.
It sounds like you’re implying here you do want some laws in place. No law in place would be something like milk. A 10 year old with no ID could walk in and out and buy a gallon of milk in about 1 minute. That would be what 0 firearm laws would look like, as post suggests.
Depends on your view of the constitution. Some folks have a more Jeffersonian view of the constitution and believe that there is a generational obligation to update and change the constitution to keep it relevant and modern, while there are others who feel the opposite. One thing that we agree on is that we like to scream at each other.
Wait a minute though, if you require identification to buy a firearm, why not require it to vote?
Are we performing background checks on voters?
I believe we’d be better served doing background checks, before you have a child? It’s the moral decay of our nation, not firearms that are the problem.
Whoa Mr. Nanny-State. Take it easy with the totalitarianism.
I think both voting and firearm ID's are reasonable, however it's important to make sure that the process of obtaining identification doesn't create barriers for the working poor. I also think think that, while both of these topics have to do with identification, they are two very different conversations and two situations that it's to our benefit not to get our wires crossed by trying to discuss both at once.
I’m not. I’m using the lefty point of view, it’s ok to go full on up the ass for firearm control, but proving your right to vote is racist.
Why are they ok with one and not the other? Maybe you’ve missed it, but I like to stir the shit. Make people think.
……but yes, all firearm laws and regulations are unconstitutional.
Working poor? Or illegal aliens?
When crossbows were first gaining popularity, the Catholic church banned them. Charlemagne banned the exporting of French weapons. The Chinese in the 1100s attempted to ban bows and arrows. History shows most weapon laws are hard to enforce.
Working poor. In the case of such legislation, illegal immigrants would be unable to obtain identification.
I'm on your side on this one, but I'll play devil's advocate.
It also says "A well regulated Militia".... one could argue that independent citizens are not that.
All I know is I want babies to stop gettin murdered at school, think that has a lot more to do with giving people the mental health help they need instead of taking guns away. If it’s not guns it will be knives, then rocks, then hammers, then cars. If someone is intent to do this they will find the TOOL to do it. Make no mistake that is what a firearm is.
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Kinda went on a tangent but my point was I don’t believe “common sense” gun laws are anything of the sort. They’re an attempt to weaken the citizens of this country so they can take what little dignity and self reliance we have left.
Honestly, I don’t know what my opinion is on gun laws…really don’t anymore. I grew up around them, use them as tools, use them for recreational purposes, teaching my kids about them, have a bunch around the house etc. I’m not the best dad/husband usually work my dick in the dirt and get yelled at for not being around enough….working through that shit with the counseling lady on how to be a good provider and also be home amongst other things. I live on the outskirts of Nashville and take my kids to school every day. Farm town and a good town but changing. Taking my kids to school today was sort of heart breaking. I try to not live in fear but today I was sort of nervous about it. Not being a bitch just stating today was the first time I thought about gun laws after sitting in the car rider line. Don’t know what the solution is and there is a use for them for sure but dagum this world is changing
Yes they are citizens. But if you think that any gun control law is unconstitutional, then that means you also oppose laws (gun control) preventing minors from buying guns.
No they can't vote. In some cases felons can't vote...the law (gun control) says they (felons) can't own a gun. Do you oppose that law? You think all felons should be able to own/buy fire arms?
Being fearful about your children does not make you a bitch bud, makes you more of a man than anyone who would look down on it. It’s about the only thing that scares me in this world something happening to either one of my children.
Define militia?
Government Controlled? Kind of defeats the point. Is BLM a militia? Antifa a militia? Proud Boys? Oath Keepers?
I don’t know you or your situation, but you sound like a good dude and I hope things go well for you.
“SAVE THE CHILDREN”! Have you figured out that they’re playing you?
In 1998 there was a school shooting at Thurston High School in Springfield Oregon...my wife was a Sophomore in high school at Thurston...and had just opened the door to walk into the cafeteria when the shooting started-in the cafeteria (thank goodness she wasn't 5 minutes earlier for school that day)...had a class with the shooter (who was also sophomore...who was tackled by some students, and is still in prison)...had a friend wounded...she lived it. Her parents had to wait across the street for word on their daughter...they lived it. Parents worst nightmare...my heart hurts for the parents of every child at that school, and every child.
Yeah they most definitely use the mantra to their advantage brother, but it makes it no less real that 3 kids died yesterday. There was a time when that didn’t matter much to me, then I became a father and my view changed.
I’ve got four and five grandchildren. Our basic human instinct is save the children. They’re definitely using it to sway public opinion.
I am no more willing today to give up any of my firearms than I was yesterday or the day before. I am more inclined to stand outside my children’s school 7-5 everyday to make sure my kids and those who attend their school can learn without fear. I’ll tell you what, god bless those cops who responded yesterday and took DECISIVE action in neutralizing the threat as soon as they encountered it. Much better then what we saw in Uvalde, TX which was cops piled outside the classroom door while kids got shot.
Well regulated militia, had a completely different definition than what those arguing that point think it means today . Simply meant people competent with the use of firearms, and essentially ready to go. Independent citizens is exactly who that referred to, "being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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