Mxgp e-class

SonofThor32 wrote:

I have a feeling no matter what I say, you will always have a response, some people can't help themselves.  But to your question, AMA, MXGP...

I have a feeling no matter what I say, you will always have a response, some people can't help themselves.  But to your question, AMA, MXGP, etc. would not have a jobs at all without our traditional motorcycle manufacturers and race teams that have been showing up for 50 years.  The more you guys beat the Stark drum and expecting the world to just stop for y'all, the less I like the brand.  

Stark needs to get in line, and let the process play out, not expect the process to bend for them.  MXGP was kind enough to acknowledge them, acknowledge the growing popularity, open the door, but when progress is not enough, it starts to look like a stain. 

Last2Stroke wrote:

You must have missed my earlier comment about Stark turning up to race the FIM SuperEnduro, and the FIM changing the rules the day before to...

You must have missed my earlier comment about Stark turning up to race the FIM SuperEnduro, and the FIM changing the rules the day before to exclude them, that's a stain, that looks like a back room deal with a ICE OEM to exclude Stark.

The objections raised by the FIM and AMA about allowing Stark to race with ICE in existing classes, are what is the comparable power to existing ICE bikes, and safety concerns from other riders not being able to hear the Stark. The FIM and AMA could easily set a limit for power output, put factory bikes on a dyno, and limit the Stark to the power output of the factory bikes. The concern about other riders not being able to hear the Stark is laughable, when Dean Wilson was taken out by Vince Freise, he said he didn't know Vince was there, sounds like 450fs are too quiet and are a safety hazard.

What the FIM and AMA haven't stated is they want to maintain the status quo with ICE OEMs, if the FIM stated that they would be in breach of EU anti-competition laws, and be subject to fines from the EU Competition Commission.

How long will the AMA and FIM take to change the rules when Honda has a comparable electric motocross bike on the market?

SonofThor32 wrote:

I 100% agree with what you are saying.  I have no doubt this is political with OEMs stiff-arming promoters until they have a comparable product, and...

I 100% agree with what you are saying.  I have no doubt this is political with OEMs stiff-arming promoters until they have a comparable product, and I agree FIM should have put thought into it before allowing and retracting Stark into SuperEnduro, that was a bonehead move without foresight, they should never have opened the door in the first place until they had their ducks in a row.  I will be the first to tell you I f*cking hate politics and politicians and games played like this.

Now that everyone is level-set, and everyone knows where they stand, you would think they would be happy with a clear path forward.  There is no questions, the goals become more clear, it should all be a good thing.  And with the 2026 date announced, there is no doubt other manufacturers likely had say in that as they will either have a production model, or a raceable prototype as Honda did this year, so the OEMs are getting what they want (time) and Stark is getting the door opened for them for the big stage.  It is a win all-around and time to prepare for it (for Stark), perhaps spend the time to refine the bikes, and build a formidable team which is also would be a huge advantage for them the next year and a half to put them ahead of the OEMs from the start.  With that in mind, they would be wise to start saving their pennies to start considering contracts for team riders, if they want to win so bad at the top level, it won't happen without good riders.

Last2Stroke wrote:

You must have missed my earlier comment about Stark turning up to race the FIM SuperEnduro, and the FIM changing the rules the day before to...

You must have missed my earlier comment about Stark turning up to race the FIM SuperEnduro, and the FIM changing the rules the day before to exclude them, that's a stain, that looks like a back room deal with a ICE OEM to exclude Stark.

The objections raised by the FIM and AMA about allowing Stark to race with ICE in existing classes, are what is the comparable power to existing ICE bikes, and safety concerns from other riders not being able to hear the Stark. The FIM and AMA could easily set a limit for power output, put factory bikes on a dyno, and limit the Stark to the power output of the factory bikes. The concern about other riders not being able to hear the Stark is laughable, when Dean Wilson was taken out by Vince Freise, he said he didn't know Vince was there, sounds like 450fs are too quiet and are a safety hazard.

What the FIM and AMA haven't stated is they want to maintain the status quo with ICE OEMs, if the FIM stated that they would be in breach of EU anti-competition laws, and be subject to fines from the EU Competition Commission.

How long will the AMA and FIM take to change the rules when Honda has a comparable electric motocross bike on the market?

MxAddic wrote:

Stop smoking Anton’s Crack pipe. Nobody cares about a broken promise in Super Enduro. Name any other form of Motorsport that allows you to build any...

Stop smoking Anton’s Crack pipe. Nobody cares about a broken promise in Super Enduro.

Name any other form of Motorsport that allows you to build any contraption you choose and changes the rules to allow it. Anton is a Moran for assuming they would be allowed because they changed the rules for 4 stroke. It’s doubtful he even knew the history of what actually took place.

It takes less skill and effort to ride the varg. Capping them to a similar HP level is not the answer for a level playing field. The torque curve of the machine makes them incompatible. Of course if Anton was looking for a level playfield he would have no objection to their own class.

justinbogleswhipfoot wrote:

It’s literally going exactly like the 4 strokes went. The 4 stroke nationals lasted what, 4 years? I wonder how long (or how many manufacturers enter...

It’s literally going exactly like the 4 strokes went. The 4 stroke nationals lasted what, 4 years? I wonder how long (or how many manufacturers enter the E class) before they decide to combine them? 🤔

MxAddic wrote:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/13/ev-euphoria-is-dead-automakers-trumpet-…

 

Someone better tell the vitards. They won't believe us, maybe they will believe wall street.

justinbogleswhipfoot wrote:

I’m all for another platform especially when it can be a benefit for indoor racing but we are very far away from it becoming the norm...

I’m all for another platform especially when it can be a benefit for indoor racing but we are very far away from it becoming the norm. Quite the whirlwind for E bikes this past year, I didn’t think it would be adopted this quickly. 

Dave v3.0 wrote:

Hilarious! So the same company that didn't bother to research distribution laws and thus still can't sell their product in multiple states also didn't bother to...

Hilarious!

So the same company that didn't bother to research distribution laws and thus still can't sell their product in multiple states also didn't bother to get ahead of the politics involved in getting the various sanctioning bodies to allow them to race their product.  And now that one of the sanctioning bodies has created a "special" class for them...they want to take their ball and go home.

Maybe next time do more research on "going to market" and not just creating a product.  All the turtleneck videos in the world won't change the status quo and sometimes you need to ease your product into the mix...or buy your way into the program.

Last2Stroke wrote:

Did you argue against 4 strokes, when the rules were changed to allow then to compete?

Did you argue against 4 strokes, when the rules were changed to allow then to compete?

Last2Stroke wrote:

Did you argue against 4 strokes, when the rules were changed to allow then to compete?

Did you argue against 4 strokes, when the rules were changed to allow then to compete?

MxAddic wrote:

No because they were at a disadvantage to 2 strokes and we are looking at the exact opposite here. Maybe capping the HP at 50% of...

No because they were at a disadvantage to 2 strokes and we are looking at the exact opposite here. Maybe capping the HP at 50% of ICE like they did with 2 stroke displacement would work for you.

Last2Stroke wrote:

You are saying electric have an advantage over 4 strokes!

Sounds like the bike to race for any competitive racer, the other OEMs must be scared.

Last2Stroke wrote:

You are saying electric have an advantage over 4 strokes!

Sounds like the bike to race for any competitive racer, the other OEMs must be scared.

MxAddic wrote:

The whole world knew that before Anton was in pubbies. What year was the first diesel electric locomotive? It was just a matter of packaging.  

The whole world knew that before Anton was in pubbies. What year was the first diesel electric locomotive? It was just a matter of packaging.