So....Now it's wrong to GTFO out of Iraq

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more of the same smoke and mirrors. divide and conquer. anything to keep us all from seeing the forest from the trees.
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purpleNurple 10/21/2011 9:17pm
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You would have to be a complete moron to actually think ALL soldiers will be leaving Iraq. Just saying......

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It's wrong to get out of Iraq. It's also wrong to regulate and require public disclosure of trading in complex financial instruments in the financial centers that drove the country into economic hell.

Pining for the good old days when we could have get rich and have wars without paying for them.
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Spahnzuki 10/21/2011 11:34pm
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
It's wrong to get out of Iraq. It's also wrong to regulate and require public disclosure of trading in complex financial instruments in the financial centers...
It's wrong to get out of Iraq. It's also wrong to regulate and require public disclosure of trading in complex financial instruments in the financial centers that drove the country into economic hell.

Pining for the good old days when we could have get rich and have wars without paying for them.
Exactly...we used to get rich off the wars themselves. Not so profitable anymore. No one can deny the money we made off WWII in the long run. We need to take their oil outright and make a profit. Lybia owes us a few million barrels...Nothing wrong with that....seriously.
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WhKnuckle 10/22/2011 3:05am
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
It's wrong to get out of Iraq. It's also wrong to regulate and require public disclosure of trading in complex financial instruments in the financial centers...
It's wrong to get out of Iraq. It's also wrong to regulate and require public disclosure of trading in complex financial instruments in the financial centers that drove the country into economic hell.

Pining for the good old days when we could have get rich and have wars without paying for them.
Spahnzuki wrote:
Exactly...we used to get rich off the wars themselves. Not so profitable anymore. No one can deny the money we made off WWII in the long...
Exactly...we used to get rich off the wars themselves. Not so profitable anymore. No one can deny the money we made off WWII in the long run. We need to take their oil outright and make a profit. Lybia owes us a few million barrels...Nothing wrong with that....seriously.
Well, "we" didn't get rich. We paid to make defense contractors rich.
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flarider 10/22/2011 6:09am
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Not sure where oldfart got the "arms sales" thing, but we need about 150 troops in country to protect our US Embassy, which is about standard procedure with every US Embassy
unknownmxr 10/22/2011 6:48am
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It is a short drive to Iran. The soldiers will be replaced by contractors (blackwater etc).
I think the globalists went too far with gadafi. This may be the new version of the tet offensive, the point at which political sentiment turned away.
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flarider 10/22/2011 6:56am
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My bad, thought they'd be for embassy security
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unknownmxr wrote:
It is a short drive to Iran. The soldiers will be replaced by contractors (blackwater etc). I think the globalists went too far with gadafi. This...
It is a short drive to Iran. The soldiers will be replaced by contractors (blackwater etc).
I think the globalists went too far with gadafi. This may be the new version of the tet offensive, the point at which political sentiment turned away.
nah, its still too easy to label someone a terrorist or say they have funded terrorism.

its definitely the new tet offensive. i just dont see john q public seeing thru it.
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RocketLab 10/22/2011 12:17pm
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Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann said in a statement. She said the U.s. should have demanded repayment for its cost of liberating Iraq, and demanded that Obama "return to the negotiating table with Iraq and lead from the front and not from weakness in Iraq and in the world."

That's like me beating you with a baseball bat then demanding you refund me for the purchase of said bat.
TripleFive 10/22/2011 1:59pm
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RocketLab wrote:
Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann said in a statement. She said the U.s. should have demanded repayment for its cost of liberating Iraq, and demanded that Obama...
Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann said in a statement. She said the U.s. should have demanded repayment for its cost of liberating Iraq, and demanded that Obama "return to the negotiating table with Iraq and lead from the front and not from weakness in Iraq and in the world."

That's like me beating you with a baseball bat then demanding you refund me for the purchase of said bat.
Although I'm completely against the war, we did provide them a service.
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RocketLab 10/22/2011 2:49pm
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RocketLab wrote:
Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann said in a statement. She said the U.s. should have demanded repayment for its cost of liberating Iraq, and demanded that Obama...
Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann said in a statement. She said the U.s. should have demanded repayment for its cost of liberating Iraq, and demanded that Obama "return to the negotiating table with Iraq and lead from the front and not from weakness in Iraq and in the world."

That's like me beating you with a baseball bat then demanding you refund me for the purchase of said bat.
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Although I'm completely against the war, we did provide them a service.
Do you think that's the typical Iraqi's opinion? I don't know the answer to that, but I would assume it would be similar to the Soviet Union invading us back when they were in existence.Regardless of who's in charge in your country I don't think you would like being invaded by another country. Having hundreds of thousand's of your fellow countrymen and more than likely some of your immediate family members killed as well as your economy and infrastructure destroyed.

I wonder how many thank you notes we get?

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TripleFive 10/22/2011 3:14pm
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RocketLab wrote:
Do you think that's the typical Iraqi's opinion? I don't know the answer to that, but I would assume it would be similar to the Soviet...
Do you think that's the typical Iraqi's opinion? I don't know the answer to that, but I would assume it would be similar to the Soviet Union invading us back when they were in existence.Regardless of who's in charge in your country I don't think you would like being invaded by another country. Having hundreds of thousand's of your fellow countrymen and more than likely some of your immediate family members killed as well as your economy and infrastructure destroyed.

I wonder how many thank you notes we get?
I'd imagine the typical Iraqi would prefer not to have their country torn apart by war. That being said I'd also imagine the typical Iraqi would prefer not to be under the rule of a dictator.


It would be interesting to see what would've happened in Iraq without U.S. intervention during the 'Arab Spring' where we saw many Arab nations stand up to their dictators. From what I understand of the Iraqi people I'd say there was a pretty good chance for an uprising. The problem though is that the population certainly wasn't monolithic; that's why over the last few years Iraq has been more of a civil war than anything.
unknownmxr 10/22/2011 4:24pm
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Libya, Uganda, Kenya ? Is this the re-colonisation of Africa? Won't be as easy this time around. China has many business interests in Africa and they aren't going to walk away.
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dougie 10/22/2011 6:09pm
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What effect will bringing home the troops from Iraq have on our economy? Will the companies the make bullets and fatiques and Duce and a Halfs all be laying off people? Or do we buy them from China? Will the unemployment numbers jump?

Im not suggesting anyone stay, Im just wondering. Personally I feel we should have left as soon as we knew we had gotten some really bad Intel concerning WMD.

After 9/11 and talk of the War on Terror I imagined groups of Navy Seals, Green Beret, Delta type units sneaking into countries under the cover of darkeness and surgically taking out a few bad guys here and there. Not starting wars to make money disquised as, fighting them "over there" instead of here.
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vet323 10/22/2011 6:15pm
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RocketLab wrote:
Do you think that's the typical Iraqi's opinion? I don't know the answer to that, but I would assume it would be similar to the Soviet...
Do you think that's the typical Iraqi's opinion? I don't know the answer to that, but I would assume it would be similar to the Soviet Union invading us back when they were in existence.Regardless of who's in charge in your country I don't think you would like being invaded by another country. Having hundreds of thousand's of your fellow countrymen and more than likely some of your immediate family members killed as well as your economy and infrastructure destroyed.

I wonder how many thank you notes we get?
TripleFive wrote:
I'd imagine the typical Iraqi would prefer not to have their country torn apart by war. That being said I'd also imagine the typical Iraqi would...
I'd imagine the typical Iraqi would prefer not to have their country torn apart by war. That being said I'd also imagine the typical Iraqi would prefer not to be under the rule of a dictator.


It would be interesting to see what would've happened in Iraq without U.S. intervention during the 'Arab Spring' where we saw many Arab nations stand up to their dictators. From what I understand of the Iraqi people I'd say there was a pretty good chance for an uprising. The problem though is that the population certainly wasn't monolithic; that's why over the last few years Iraq has been more of a civil war than anything.
Do you suppose the Arab spring uprisings would have occurred without Saddam leaving Iraq?
TripleFive 10/22/2011 6:21pm
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Do you suppose the Arab spring uprisings would have occurred without Saddam leaving Iraq?
Interesting. I honestly don't know. What's your opinion.
gabrielmalinois 10/22/2011 6:36pm
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vet323 wrote:
Do you suppose the Arab spring uprisings would have occurred without Saddam leaving Iraq?
TripleFive wrote:
Interesting. I honestly don't know. What's your opinion.
That is the Neocon foreign policy model in action. Whether you agree or disagree that is what they believed would happen once a democratic Muslim state was put in place in the Mid East.
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flarider 10/22/2011 6:40pm
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vet323 wrote:
Do you suppose the Arab spring uprisings would have occurred without Saddam leaving Iraq?
How many years ago was it Saddam "left" Iraq?
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vet323 10/22/2011 6:52pm
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2003?

Labor strikes against the Egyptian government started in 2004 or 2005.
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CR250Rider 10/22/2011 9:10pm
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obama promised to GTFO and he made good on it.

good for him
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WhKnuckle 10/23/2011 3:02pm
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From the beginning, it was obvious that Iran was going to be the big winner of the invasion of Iraq. Once Saddam was gone, the 80% Shiite population of Iraq was naturally going to align itself with Iran - in the middle east, clan and tribe are much more important to the average person than country. But are we going to continue spending $100 billion/year and tie up 50,000 American soldiers forever?

Those who are wringing their hands about Iran should have recognized that removing Saddam was just playing into Iran's hands in the first place, and they should have opposed the war vehemently. None of them did.

The best way forward is to forge strong American business ties to Iraq and threaten to cut them if they create some kind of political alliance or republic with Iran. But regardless, we can't keep our military there forever. Good for the President for saying he was going to bring those guys home and following through with that promise.

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