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Very cool tech … but I dunno … this is a big old can of worms we are opening right here … hope we get this shit right …



https://youtu.be/N_QAL2ZCpFM

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8/26/2022 4:26am
Just for fun, I priced the Boston Dynamics dog and it came out to $33,000 or so dollars. Big bucks. I saw china made one for a fraction of the price and it looked close to the dog, but it was silver colored not yellow. They had a video of a dog with a M-16 on its back....interesting..
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I'm not a fan at all. People need to work, I can't imagine a world where we are even dumber and fatter and lazier...I guess they will feed us less and tackle the fatter problem.
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Skynet...

That is all.
Unfortunately I believe you are 100% on target,Mav. There is NO way this ends up "right"
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Falcon wrote:
I found this interesting. It's really clear to me that luck is the only thing keeping us from total annihilation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Mdq3n6kgk
I’ve been thinking lately that maybe on the grand scale of universal consciousness , we are just a brief intermediary species in the line of evolution . Very brief probably lol . Machines are much more suited to survive off earth than we will ever be after all . Maybe our role in this grand production is coming to an end already . We were like a bit player with a couple lines … but it was never about us .
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One day we’ll turn something on that we won’t be able to turn off.
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Anybody seen EX Machina?
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BMSOBx2 wrote:
Anybody seen EX Machina?
Two thumbs up for me
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Should sentient robots have the same rights as humans?
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ToolMaker wrote:
Should sentient robots have the same rights as humans?
TM
I'm having a Data from STNG flashback. lol!
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8/29/2022 8:08pm
We been feeding Google siri and Alexia or whatever data for over 10 years via computers and smartphones.



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Should sentient robots have the same rights as humans?
TM
A very interesting question , that needs to be addressed by society as a whole . Are we simply creating a slave race ? . I don’t have an answer , only more questions . One being , will we be able to know for sure when consciousness is achieved ? As the old saying goes … I know I’m conscious , but you I’m not so sure about .

I think that the future debates over AI and transhumanism will make our current debates on racial and gender equality , seem very simple and quaint .
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8/31/2022 10:47am
ToolMaker wrote:
Should sentient robots have the same rights as humans?
TM
How about, do you think that they will let us keep our rights?
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9/10/2022 5:23am
lestat wrote:
Very cool tech … but I dunno … this is a big old can of worms we are opening right here … hope we get this...
Very cool tech … but I dunno … this is a big old can of worms we are opening right here … hope we get this shit right …



https://youtu.be/N_QAL2ZCpFM

Incredible and terrifying. Great post.
Humans and robots have an interface in 3D.
Aren’t mx bikes cool?
9/10/2022 5:31am
Falcon wrote:
I found this interesting. It's really clear to me that luck is the only thing keeping us from total annihilation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Mdq3n6kgk
lestat wrote:
I’ve been thinking lately that maybe on the grand scale of universal consciousness , we are just a brief intermediary species in the line of evolution...
I’ve been thinking lately that maybe on the grand scale of universal consciousness , we are just a brief intermediary species in the line of evolution . Very brief probably lol . Machines are much more suited to survive off earth than we will ever be after all . Maybe our role in this grand production is coming to an end already . We were like a bit player with a couple lines … but it was never about us .
Robotics is amazing. But Tiny self replicating (molecular level) robots? Who programs them?
Should humanity slow down?
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Been following and researching this for the past few years. It's more scary than you think. It has a mind of its own , and it's out. People are in awe , deer in headlights and think it's
awesome...... meanwhile it's learning every single way possible to make us obsolete. Just go watch some AI generated art of the future , it produces pictures / painting's of our demise. All cool to see now , later were fucked!
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9/11/2022 11:41pm
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Should sentient robots have the same rights as humans?
TM
Did you just assume my species?!?!?! Laughing
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These vids you have posted really show how big this can of worms actually is . So many questions …. One being , that when AI becomes better at everything than humans are … how will that economy function ? I keep hearing the term an era of abundance and leisure but I can’t see how that can possibly come about . I think it’s far more likely that wealth inequality will grow .
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Falcon wrote:
lestat wrote:
These vids you have posted really show how big this can of worms actually is . So many questions …. One being , that when AI...
These vids you have posted really show how big this can of worms actually is . So many questions …. One being , that when AI becomes better at everything than humans are … how will that economy function ? I keep hearing the term an era of abundance and leisure but I can’t see how that can possibly come about . I think it’s far more likely that wealth inequality will grow .
Right. Those who own/control the robots will do what those in power have always done... control, suppress, consolidate.
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9/13/2022 8:55am
ToolMaker wrote:
Should sentient robots have the same rights as humans?
TM
Tater wrote:
How about, do you think that they will let us keep our rights?
What if robots with EI (its no longer artificial intelligence, I'm going to coin evolved intelligence) decide that to save humans the population needs reducing by half and proceed to start the process.
Are they saving humans or harming humans?
The trolly dilemma.
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9/14/2022 1:31am
Falcon wrote:
lestat wrote:
These vids you have posted really show how big this can of worms actually is . So many questions …. One being , that when AI...
These vids you have posted really show how big this can of worms actually is . So many questions …. One being , that when AI becomes better at everything than humans are … how will that economy function ? I keep hearing the term an era of abundance and leisure but I can’t see how that can possibly come about . I think it’s far more likely that wealth inequality will grow .
Falcon wrote:
Right. Those who own/control the robots will do what those in power have always done... control, suppress, consolidate.
As a technologist, I've been telling people for 25 years that what scares me the most about our future are autonomous robots.

No matter what the intention of the inventors, robots are computers, and can be hacked.
They're coming. AI will become incredibly advanced, and progress cannot be stopped, or even slowed down with legislation.

You can legislate what can be done with AI, and possibly get governments to agree to boundaries, but no government will actually slow down development. They can't, or their country will become vulnerable.

Imagine 1 million autonomous military drones being deployed into a city. That city better have advanced drones or that city is going to fall, and most likely 1 million people die, literally.

Imagine 100k Terminator type humanoid robots being unleashed in a city. That city better have advanced robots and AI or they're screwed. Think that's absurd? The hardware and computers today are capable of most of what Terminators do. What's holding things back is that writing the software is very, very difficult. 10 years from now, the software will be quite capable, and 20 - 30 years from now, life will be much different than it is today.

Ai and robots will change society.
I'd like to say for the better, but for sure different.

There'll be fewer jobs for people, but also more product available for lower cost, more leisure time, and less need for humans to work.

That leads to 2 major problems to solve.
1) How does a person find their sense of purpose? It probably won't be from their job that most don't have.
2) Obviously, those who develop and build the robots will have tremendous amounts of wealth, and rightfully so, but there will still need to be a way for people to earn a good living, and work hard and get ahead.
Today, I'm not in favor of universal income. At this point, there are plenty of jobs, and those who can work, need to work, and contribute to society. In the Robot/AI revolution, there will need to be universal income, but I don't believe that is enough.
There has to be a way to solve problem #1, and give people control of their future.
It also doesn't make sense to allow more income disparity between those who make robots, and those who don't.
It also doesn't make sense to tax corporations or the rich at huge tax rates, nor for the governments to manage and control every aspect of society. Freedom must be protected!

Leaders 10 years, and really 20 years from now will need to redesign society, being very observant about what is and isn't working, and make adjustments until life is good for everyone, creating an environment where people can work hard and get ahead. It'll be very difficult.

Maybe it'll just be very awesome to do what we want all day, but I feel that if robots do everything for us, there's going to be something missing in life, and that needs to be addressed.

Anyways, I love discussing this subject.
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9/14/2022 12:07pm
most machine learning is a scam and its going to be a long time before robots can do things like change a tire on a motorcycle or do basic plumbing work. it will happen but i dont think it will be feasible for another 50-60 years on a commercial scale

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lestat wrote:
These vids you have posted really show how big this can of worms actually is . So many questions …. One being , that when AI...
These vids you have posted really show how big this can of worms actually is . So many questions …. One being , that when AI becomes better at everything than humans are … how will that economy function ? I keep hearing the term an era of abundance and leisure but I can’t see how that can possibly come about . I think it’s far more likely that wealth inequality will grow .
Falcon wrote:
Right. Those who own/control the robots will do what those in power have always done... control, suppress, consolidate.
Radical wrote:
As a technologist, I've been telling people for 25 years that what scares me the most about our future are autonomous robots. No matter what the...
As a technologist, I've been telling people for 25 years that what scares me the most about our future are autonomous robots.

No matter what the intention of the inventors, robots are computers, and can be hacked.
They're coming. AI will become incredibly advanced, and progress cannot be stopped, or even slowed down with legislation.

You can legislate what can be done with AI, and possibly get governments to agree to boundaries, but no government will actually slow down development. They can't, or their country will become vulnerable.

Imagine 1 million autonomous military drones being deployed into a city. That city better have advanced drones or that city is going to fall, and most likely 1 million people die, literally.

Imagine 100k Terminator type humanoid robots being unleashed in a city. That city better have advanced robots and AI or they're screwed. Think that's absurd? The hardware and computers today are capable of most of what Terminators do. What's holding things back is that writing the software is very, very difficult. 10 years from now, the software will be quite capable, and 20 - 30 years from now, life will be much different than it is today.

Ai and robots will change society.
I'd like to say for the better, but for sure different.

There'll be fewer jobs for people, but also more product available for lower cost, more leisure time, and less need for humans to work.

That leads to 2 major problems to solve.
1) How does a person find their sense of purpose? It probably won't be from their job that most don't have.
2) Obviously, those who develop and build the robots will have tremendous amounts of wealth, and rightfully so, but there will still need to be a way for people to earn a good living, and work hard and get ahead.
Today, I'm not in favor of universal income. At this point, there are plenty of jobs, and those who can work, need to work, and contribute to society. In the Robot/AI revolution, there will need to be universal income, but I don't believe that is enough.
There has to be a way to solve problem #1, and give people control of their future.
It also doesn't make sense to allow more income disparity between those who make robots, and those who don't.
It also doesn't make sense to tax corporations or the rich at huge tax rates, nor for the governments to manage and control every aspect of society. Freedom must be protected!

Leaders 10 years, and really 20 years from now will need to redesign society, being very observant about what is and isn't working, and make adjustments until life is good for everyone, creating an environment where people can work hard and get ahead. It'll be very difficult.

Maybe it'll just be very awesome to do what we want all day, but I feel that if robots do everything for us, there's going to be something missing in life, and that needs to be addressed.

Anyways, I love discussing this subject.
That was a very informative read there Rad. You know way more than I do about it , but I try and keep up the best I can. If it's scary to a dude like you ........who else is scared of this? Your timing of 20 - 30 years also struck me as odd. Odd in the way of the movie Blade Runner 2049 , kinda odd. Which btw is one of the best movies I have ever seen and eclipsed even the original one with Harrison Ford. I truly believe that's what our future looks like , if we haven't been wiped from the face of the planet.
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30 years from now we will still be running machines using a 1990s PLC programmed with windows 95.
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Falcon wrote:
Right. Those who own/control the robots will do what those in power have always done... control, suppress, consolidate.
Radical wrote:
As a technologist, I've been telling people for 25 years that what scares me the most about our future are autonomous robots. No matter what the...
As a technologist, I've been telling people for 25 years that what scares me the most about our future are autonomous robots.

No matter what the intention of the inventors, robots are computers, and can be hacked.
They're coming. AI will become incredibly advanced, and progress cannot be stopped, or even slowed down with legislation.

You can legislate what can be done with AI, and possibly get governments to agree to boundaries, but no government will actually slow down development. They can't, or their country will become vulnerable.

Imagine 1 million autonomous military drones being deployed into a city. That city better have advanced drones or that city is going to fall, and most likely 1 million people die, literally.

Imagine 100k Terminator type humanoid robots being unleashed in a city. That city better have advanced robots and AI or they're screwed. Think that's absurd? The hardware and computers today are capable of most of what Terminators do. What's holding things back is that writing the software is very, very difficult. 10 years from now, the software will be quite capable, and 20 - 30 years from now, life will be much different than it is today.

Ai and robots will change society.
I'd like to say for the better, but for sure different.

There'll be fewer jobs for people, but also more product available for lower cost, more leisure time, and less need for humans to work.

That leads to 2 major problems to solve.
1) How does a person find their sense of purpose? It probably won't be from their job that most don't have.
2) Obviously, those who develop and build the robots will have tremendous amounts of wealth, and rightfully so, but there will still need to be a way for people to earn a good living, and work hard and get ahead.
Today, I'm not in favor of universal income. At this point, there are plenty of jobs, and those who can work, need to work, and contribute to society. In the Robot/AI revolution, there will need to be universal income, but I don't believe that is enough.
There has to be a way to solve problem #1, and give people control of their future.
It also doesn't make sense to allow more income disparity between those who make robots, and those who don't.
It also doesn't make sense to tax corporations or the rich at huge tax rates, nor for the governments to manage and control every aspect of society. Freedom must be protected!

Leaders 10 years, and really 20 years from now will need to redesign society, being very observant about what is and isn't working, and make adjustments until life is good for everyone, creating an environment where people can work hard and get ahead. It'll be very difficult.

Maybe it'll just be very awesome to do what we want all day, but I feel that if robots do everything for us, there's going to be something missing in life, and that needs to be addressed.

Anyways, I love discussing this subject.
jeffro503 wrote:
That was a very informative read there Rad. You know way more than I do about it , but I try and keep up the best...
That was a very informative read there Rad. You know way more than I do about it , but I try and keep up the best I can. If it's scary to a dude like you ........who else is scared of this? Your timing of 20 - 30 years also struck me as odd. Odd in the way of the movie Blade Runner 2049 , kinda odd. Which btw is one of the best movies I have ever seen and eclipsed even the original one with Harrison Ford. I truly believe that's what our future looks like , if we haven't been wiped from the face of the planet.
I haven't seen that movie yet. I'll put it on my short list.
If done right, life is going to be better in many ways, but man is it going to be a challenge to make that transition.
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I think the trick will be to preprogram some sort of safety protocol right into the AI, if it's not too late. Asimov's three laws seem like a funny sci-fi trope, but we would actually do well to heed them:

A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
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