GOP Debate tonight.

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It's a great one.

One thing that is bothering me is that Romney and Perry are playing politics bad. Every question they get they turn the answer into an attack on one another. It's very transparent what they are trying to do and frankly a huge turn off. Fucking pathetic.
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Perry stepped on his dick and Santorum went after him.
Why is Perry giving illegals preferential treatment over Citizens in regards to college? Why are Texans paying $100,000 for college educations for illegals, but not Texans?

Santorum went after him on border protection, because Perry said he had Texas Rangers and more on the border, but when asked why illegals are still getting through, Perry blamed the Feds, and Santorum saw the hole in it, and went after it.

Perry said one thing, got caught, and switched it up to blame the Feds.

and I have a question, if all of these candidates are going to just walk into office and just "shut down" the Dept of Education, EPA, Dept of Labor and some of the others they've mentioned, I sure would like to know "how?"
President isn't dictator. Do people really believe that a POTUS can just "shut down" the IRS and put in a whole new tax system just because he/she says so?
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If the GOP doesn't come up with someone other than the current bunch I don't see myself wasting my time going to vote this year. I sure as shit ain't voting for Obama but I also can't imagine voting for any of the GOP candidates with the possible exception of Paul and there is no way he'll make it to the big dance. I don't like any of them. This could very well be the first election since I became old enough to vote that I will stay home. The only thing that would get me to the booth would be to vote against all the fuggin' criminals currently running Illinois.
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Is he gay? I mean, seriously, is he? I have seen a lot of queens in my life, and that guy has some serious gay mannerisms.
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Mr. Cain, love that man...

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Is he gay? I mean, seriously, is he? I have seen a lot of queens in my life, and that guy has some serious gay mannerisms.
If you take the 'r' out of his name he is.
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Mr. Cain, love that man...
I'd probably go vote for him too but he doesn't have a chance either. Fox news won't give him or Paul the time of day so the sheeple won't vote for them.
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Perry stomped on his his dick. Romney came away the winner. Some good one liners but overall a crappy debate. Too many players, softball questions, weird questions.

Romney closes the gap.
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It's a great one. One thing that is bothering me is that Romney and Perry are playing politics bad. Every question they get they turn the...
It's a great one.

One thing that is bothering me is that Romney and Perry are playing politics bad. Every question they get they turn the answer into an attack on one another. It's very transparent what they are trying to do and frankly a huge turn off. Fucking pathetic.
Politicians attacking each other and playing bad politics?

What is this political system coming to?
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It's a great one. One thing that is bothering me is that Romney and Perry are playing politics bad. Every question they get they turn the...
It's a great one.

One thing that is bothering me is that Romney and Perry are playing politics bad. Every question they get they turn the answer into an attack on one another. It's very transparent what they are trying to do and frankly a huge turn off. Fucking pathetic.
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Politicians attacking each other and playing bad politics?

What is this political system coming to?
lol. It's just so obvious that they know they are the 2 front runners and one needs to gain an edge on the other so they attack one another. It's just sad and it takes away from the real problems.

I hate how the media focuses on just Romney and Perry. They decided they are the 2 front runners.

It is also very funny like a previous post said that when elected they will shut down this or change this like they can just do it with a flip of a button. Not that simple.

I personally am starting to like Cain more and more and the guy from Utah and I can never remember his name.
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level wrote:
It's a great one. One thing that is bothering me is that Romney and Perry are playing politics bad. Every question they get they turn the...
It's a great one.

One thing that is bothering me is that Romney and Perry are playing politics bad. Every question they get they turn the answer into an attack on one another. It's very transparent what they are trying to do and frankly a huge turn off. Fucking pathetic.
jmar wrote:
Politicians attacking each other and playing bad politics?

What is this political system coming to?
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lol. It's just so obvious that they know they are the 2 front runners and one needs to gain an edge on the other so they...
lol. It's just so obvious that they know they are the 2 front runners and one needs to gain an edge on the other so they attack one another. It's just sad and it takes away from the real problems.

I hate how the media focuses on just Romney and Perry. They decided they are the 2 front runners.

It is also very funny like a previous post said that when elected they will shut down this or change this like they can just do it with a flip of a button. Not that simple.

I personally am starting to like Cain more and more and the guy from Utah and I can never remember his name.
Jon Huntsman, and he should be one of the front runners, but like you just said, the media has determined who is, and isn't a player in this primary.

What do the rest of us know anyway.
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"what do the rest of us know anyway"?

I read that this is the most corrupt time in history for US politics! I have no idea if that's true because I don't believe a thing I read or hear anymore w/o following the money/facts.
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I think someone in the conservative camp is going to do an independent run - very likely Ron Paul. He knows how to campaign with little money, he has a rabid group of supporters, he's already announced his intention to leave Congress, he doesn't really care what the Repubublican brass wants, he seems to despise both Romney and Perry, he sees the situation in government as unsustainable and he wants to change it. I question HOW he wants to change it, but he has a point.

The enthusiasm gap is rapidly switching sides. Democrats are becoming energized at an exponential rate, Republicans are increasingly disgusted with both Perry and Romney, and people are looking for an alternative. An independent run by Paul or possibly Bloomberg would make things interesting.

But both Romney and Perry look worse the more they talk. That's a real bad thing when it's only September, 14 months until the election. If they have to keep going the way they are now, by the time the election comes, the only votes they get will be their mothers and the Koch brothers.

Congress is making it even worse for Republicans. They can't pass anything that doesn't contain a poison pill faux spending cut that nobody with a brain would agree to, and they're staring another government shutdown in the face if they don't pass some kind of rational bill out of the House. Boehner can't seem to explain the difference between governing and foaming-at-the-mouth campaigning to the Tea Party freshmen, and the resulting legislation going to the Senate is designed to fail. And a government shutdown in the midst of a soft economy and all the problems in Greece is going to be disastrous to the economy, and if it happens, Americans are going to wash their hands of the entire Republican party. Boehner knows that, but he can't control those idiotic troops he inherited.
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Perry stomped on his his dick. Romney came away the winner. Some good one liners but overall a crappy debate. Too many players, softball questions, weird...
Perry stomped on his his dick. Romney came away the winner. Some good one liners but overall a crappy debate. Too many players, softball questions, weird questions.

Romney closes the gap.
This. 1 St one I've wached and all I could think is WTF?

0 debate, weird format, no real challenge. Follow up ?
for Cain:: if you weren't wealthy how likely is it you would have survived stage 4 cancer? Be dead and gone.
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This. 1 St one I've wached and all I could think is WTF? 0 debate, weird format, no real challenge. Follow up ? for Cain:: if...
This. 1 St one I've wached and all I could think is WTF?

0 debate, weird format, no real challenge. Follow up ?
for Cain:: if you weren't wealthy how likely is it you would have survived stage 4 cancer? Be dead and gone.
for Cain:: if you weren't wealthy how likely is it you would have survived stage 4 cancer? Be dead and gone.

Which is what I kept yelling at my TV every time he'd mention another step in his process about how he got into a CT Scan so quickly and all his treatments so quickly, because he's a millionaire.....I would love to see that speech put on YouTube with someone placing the words "because you're a millionaire" on it for each step he mentioned.

Average Joe on BCBS might not have received the same level or speed of service and average joe without insurance would have just been told to "make appropriate plans"
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txmxer wrote:
This. 1 St one I've wached and all I could think is WTF? 0 debate, weird format, no real challenge. Follow up ? for Cain:: if...
This. 1 St one I've wached and all I could think is WTF?

0 debate, weird format, no real challenge. Follow up ?
for Cain:: if you weren't wealthy how likely is it you would have survived stage 4 cancer? Be dead and gone.
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[i]for Cain:: if you weren't wealthy how likely is it you would have survived stage 4 cancer? Be dead and gone.[/i] Which is what I kept...
for Cain:: if you weren't wealthy how likely is it you would have survived stage 4 cancer? Be dead and gone.

Which is what I kept yelling at my TV every time he'd mention another step in his process about how he got into a CT Scan so quickly and all his treatments so quickly, because he's a millionaire.....I would love to see that speech put on YouTube with someone placing the words "because you're a millionaire" on it for each step he mentioned.

Average Joe on BCBS might not have received the same level or speed of service and average joe without insurance would have just been told to "make appropriate plans"
And I don't begrudge him that one bit. Congrats on surviving.

But, using his anecdote as a point/counterpoint to the health care debate undermines solving the problems.
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And I don't begrudge him that one bit. Congrats on surviving. But, using his anecdote as a point/counterpoint to the health care debate undermines solving the...
And I don't begrudge him that one bit. Congrats on surviving.

But, using his anecdote as a point/counterpoint to the health care debate undermines solving the problems.
I don't begrudge him either, I just think we need to think and work in the real world, not the "everyone's a millionaire" world
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Newt is probably the smartest guy on that stage yet gets no attention while the worst candidate up there, Perry, is a frontrunner.
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I thought last nights debate was good. I appreciated the way Fox moderated it. It felt more comfortable to have people with a conservative perspective ask the candidates questions that matter to those who are going to vote in the primaries. I wouldn’t want them all to be that way but this one didn’t have the hostility coming from the moderators like the other ones. Is it just me or does it seems that everybody is going after Perry and not just because he is the front runner? Romney seemed way more loose and on point. Perry seemed like somebody hit him up side the head with the dumb club. Whenever Cain and Newt spoke I would find myself listening more intently.
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I like Newt also. Has a bunch of experience and seems to be tired of the way government is being run.
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I like Newt also. Has a bunch of experience and seems to be tired of the way government is being run.
The problem with Newt is he is self absorbed and narcissistic of his perceived brilliance.
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Arrogance is not a good quality for the POTUS.

Egos and pissing matches could create huge problems.
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I like Newt also. Has a bunch of experience and seems to be tired of the way government is being run.
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The problem with Newt is he is self absorbed and narcissistic of his perceived brilliance.
And this is unique to Newt?
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I like Newt also. Has a bunch of experience and seems to be tired of the way government is being run.
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The problem with Newt is he is self absorbed and narcissistic of his perceived brilliance.
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And this is unique to Newt?
I don't think it unique. I think it's the reason Newt hasn't been able to get any farther than he has.

The guy is no dummy, but you would think that he would be able to figure out that his arrogance is his biggest problem, and make a few adjustments.

That's the ego thing he can't overcome.
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The only guy up on that stage that makes me think, "He'd make a good president" was Huntsman. And he's largely ignored because he has no chance at the nomination.

In '08, other candidates ganged up on Romney because they knew he couldn't win the general election. Now, they're ganging up on Perry for the same reason - and inadvertently handing the nomination to Romney, who is no more electable today than he was in '08. The Republican party is a train wreck.
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"what do the rest of us know anyway"? I read that this is the most corrupt time in history for US politics! I have no idea...
"what do the rest of us know anyway"?

I read that this is the most corrupt time in history for US politics! I have no idea if that's true because I don't believe a thing I read or hear anymore w/o following the money/facts.
I wouldn't personally believe that. In the early 1900's, elections could literally be paid for, from my understanding. But today is definitely an extremely corrupt time, just impossible to argue as more or less corrupt than decades passed I guess. Either way, shit's whack!
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The only guy up on that stage that makes me think, "He'd make a good president" was Huntsman. And he's largely ignored because he has no...
The only guy up on that stage that makes me think, "He'd make a good president" was Huntsman. And he's largely ignored because he has no chance at the nomination.

In '08, other candidates ganged up on Romney because they knew he couldn't win the general election. Now, they're ganging up on Perry for the same reason - and inadvertently handing the nomination to Romney, who is no more electable today than he was in '08. The Republican party is a train wreck.
I am pretty sure you are not the target audience so if you like Huntsman that is cool (I like him to) but obviously the Republican primaries and these debates are for Republicans (or at least independents). To say that the Republican party is a "train wreck" is very funny because they have done nothing but take seats from the Dems. for the past two years. As far as Romney's electability we are back to a swing state game here. So all the Republican nominee has to do is win Two of the Three from Ohio, Michigan, and Florida. How do you think Romney will do those states, especially if he has Rubio as his running mate?
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The only guy up on that stage that makes me think, "He'd make a good president" was Huntsman. And he's largely ignored because he has no...
The only guy up on that stage that makes me think, "He'd make a good president" was Huntsman. And he's largely ignored because he has no chance at the nomination.

In '08, other candidates ganged up on Romney because they knew he couldn't win the general election. Now, they're ganging up on Perry for the same reason - and inadvertently handing the nomination to Romney, who is no more electable today than he was in '08. The Republican party is a train wreck.
I am pretty sure you are not the target audience so if you like Huntsman that is cool (I like him to) but obviously the Republican...
I am pretty sure you are not the target audience so if you like Huntsman that is cool (I like him to) but obviously the Republican primaries and these debates are for Republicans (or at least independents). To say that the Republican party is a "train wreck" is very funny because they have done nothing but take seats from the Dems. for the past two years. As far as Romney's electability we are back to a swing state game here. So all the Republican nominee has to do is win Two of the Three from Ohio, Michigan, and Florida. How do you think Romney will do those states, especially if he has Rubio as his running mate?
He's going to lose Michigan and Ohio for sure. Romney wrote a NY Times column that advocated allowing the US auto industry to die; he's also the guy who's made his personal fortune buying companies and shipping their manufacturing functions overseas. He has ZERO chance in those two states. And Florida? Lots of Social Security people down there, and that's the death knell for Republicans this go-around.

Besides that, people just don't LIKE the guy. He'll say anything you want to hear, he doesn't have a genuine bone in his body, and even people in his own party hate him, which is why so many aligned themselves against him in '08. And he won't necessarily win all the traditional Republican southern states, because those voters detest a northern rich-kid carpetbagger snake oil saleseman with a white-hot passion. They won't vote for Obama, but they won't vote for Romney either.
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The only guy up on that stage that makes me think, "He'd make a good president" was Huntsman. And he's largely ignored because he has no...
The only guy up on that stage that makes me think, "He'd make a good president" was Huntsman. And he's largely ignored because he has no chance at the nomination.

In '08, other candidates ganged up on Romney because they knew he couldn't win the general election. Now, they're ganging up on Perry for the same reason - and inadvertently handing the nomination to Romney, who is no more electable today than he was in '08. The Republican party is a train wreck.
I am pretty sure you are not the target audience so if you like Huntsman that is cool (I like him to) but obviously the Republican...
I am pretty sure you are not the target audience so if you like Huntsman that is cool (I like him to) but obviously the Republican primaries and these debates are for Republicans (or at least independents). To say that the Republican party is a "train wreck" is very funny because they have done nothing but take seats from the Dems. for the past two years. As far as Romney's electability we are back to a swing state game here. So all the Republican nominee has to do is win Two of the Three from Ohio, Michigan, and Florida. How do you think Romney will do those states, especially if he has Rubio as his running mate?
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He's going to lose Michigan and Ohio for sure. Romney wrote a NY Times column that advocated allowing the US auto industry to die; he's also...
He's going to lose Michigan and Ohio for sure. Romney wrote a NY Times column that advocated allowing the US auto industry to die; he's also the guy who's made his personal fortune buying companies and shipping their manufacturing functions overseas. He has ZERO chance in those two states. And Florida? Lots of Social Security people down there, and that's the death knell for Republicans this go-around.

Besides that, people just don't LIKE the guy. He'll say anything you want to hear, he doesn't have a genuine bone in his body, and even people in his own party hate him, which is why so many aligned themselves against him in '08. And he won't necessarily win all the traditional Republican southern states, because those voters detest a northern rich-kid carpetbagger snake oil saleseman with a white-hot passion. They won't vote for Obama, but they won't vote for Romney either.
Here is the article. Let Detroit Go Bankrupt Makes all the sense in the world to me. Funny that all those states have Republican Governors.

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