Will RV have anything for RD?

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 1:19am
I was thinking about how BT was able to keep RV honest 2007, that year (and 2008) I think both BT and RV was on top of his game, and now when BT seems to be doing pretty good and trying everything to prove his speed. I honestly think BT is close to top of his game right now (but going outside his comfort zone is making him very inconsistent?), or at least he's honestly trying. But despite that, RD without any major problems seems to passing him on a regular basis which for me indicates that ever RD has stepped up? BT has stepped down?

The reason for this shit was that I though and RV would be the man next season, but RD impresses me, and I'm leaning towards that RV doesn't have shit for him?

If you guys had one million for next season and you where force to bet, which guy would you bet on?

Despite my deepest admiration for CP, I would actually bet on RD. Dude is damn solid.
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9/1/2010 8:10am Edited Date/Time 9/1/2010 8:11am
RV has proven through championships vs RD that he will have plenty for him. Not to mention the fact that RV won more main events in SX in 2010 than RD. I know people in this sport forget quickly but RV is way better outdoors than indoors. RV will be a huge contender for both indoor and outdoor titles. If you're writing off RV for either title you're going to be very surprised. Did you already forget that RV has won every outdoor title he's ever competed in minus injury years. If RVs healthy for next years outdoor title I think he's the favorite IMO.
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Things may have changed. That broken leg is no joke.
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dude just drop it!
Its Ryan Villopoto you are talking about, not some fuggin actor !
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I wouldn't write off RV. He's capable of battling with RD without question IMO.

Confidence and comfort due to time off the bike over the last 3 years are areas I think RV will have to deal with.

No offense Dan, but all those people pointing to the wins in SX seem to forget that RD had a big lead. He always stepped it up when things got tight. Not saying that it wouldn't have been a battle, but I get the sense that many think the ONLY reason RV didn't win that title was bad luck and of course his injury. RD has consistently stepped up to challenges from every one this season. While he didn't beat James at A1, he didn't let him get away either. He got right back on his tail. James rode smart and took away RD's line and taught him a lesson. In Atlanta, RV took a big chance, put both of them on the ground. RD was coming back and RV made a major mistake and ended his season. That's how I saw it. The battle was just beginning in earnest when it happened.

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Not to pick on BT's team, but I really think BT is pushing too much because his bike isn't as capable as RD's bike. I hate saying that because I think the TLD Honda team is awesome and are on their way to being one of the top teams.

But I just think that's the way it is. If BT was on the same bike as Dungey, I doubt he'd be falling over everywhere because he wouldn't be needing to push so hard.

And back to topic, the question should be reversed. Will RD have anything for RV? Theres a reason RV has always been unstoppable in the outdoors. Speed.
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speed wins races... consistancy wins championships..
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BT´s been a privateer all year and at the front! With a factory ride he would battle RD no doubt!
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9/1/2010 9:14am Edited Date/Time 9/1/2010 9:15am
I think the question will be if RD can keep pace at the very beginning. Dungey doesn't sprint out to a lead at the start of a race, while Poto does! Personally, I don't think Dungey will be able to handle a healthy Poto outdoors. I also believe in SX Poto can beat Dungey, but it will be a knock down drag out between them...You also have to consider Stewart and Reed indoors...Should be one HELLUVA season next year!
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RV will most likely battle RD and the others when he comes back. I don't think this time off will hurt him and if anything he will be more motivated than ever! I would say that RD is the man to beat indoors and out but lots of others are getting very hungry..
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dehner47 wrote:
speed wins races... consistancy wins championships..
Interersting... RV has 3 national championships RD has 3 national championships

What's your point?
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I don't think it's as much of a question about if RV can handle RD, but can green handle yellow?
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9/1/2010 9:31am Edited Date/Time 9/1/2010 9:34am
dehner47 wrote:
speed wins races... consistancy wins championships..
BLAHBLAH wrote:
Interersting... RV has 3 national championships RD has 3 national championships

What's your point?
my point is, we always see RV2 being picked up of the ground along side that 450 beast. ..

honestly, im not a huge fan of either, but we all have seen 1st hand what happens when these 2 battle. RV pushes super hard, goes way faster, but has a chance of picking himself up after a huge crash. and Dungey rides right past him..

besides, how many 450 titles does RV2 have.. how many 450 titles does Dungey have.. end of story..
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and to even be more blantent with ya...

f**k RV2 and RD.. JLaw will be the 2011 sx/mx champ. for sure... Evil
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Both Ryan's have proven they know how to win championships.... RV may have a tick more speed than, RD may have tick more consistency. Both want to win extemely bad, I know RV thinks these past two championships were his to win and wants to prove it. RD will continue to have all the haters say that this was a lucky year and want to prove them wrong..

RV healthy has plenty for RD and vice verca... 2010 SX season showed they are very similiar in speed (at least indoors) All we as fans can hope is we get to see a full healthy year of racing!
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anddddddd... RV2 won more races then Dungey did this year correct?? and what was the out come to the 2010 sx season? who has the #1 plate. and who has a plate in there leg??

so that just goes to show, "speed wins races.. consistancy wins chanpionships..
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BLAHBLAH wrote:
Both Ryan's have proven they know how to win championships.... RV may have a tick more speed than, RD may have tick more consistency. Both want...
Both Ryan's have proven they know how to win championships.... RV may have a tick more speed than, RD may have tick more consistency. Both want to win extemely bad, I know RV thinks these past two championships were his to win and wants to prove it. RD will continue to have all the haters say that this was a lucky year and want to prove them wrong..

RV healthy has plenty for RD and vice verca... 2010 SX season showed they are very similiar in speed (at least indoors) All we as fans can hope is we get to see a full healthy year of racing!
i do agree with your last statement. as a fan, i do also want to see both of them healthy and battling it out to the end.lets keep all out fingers and nutz crossed EVERYONE shows up this season and finishes as healthy as can be..
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dehner47 wrote:
anddddddd... RV2 won more races then Dungey did this year correct?? and what was the out come to the 2010 sx season? who has the #1...
anddddddd... RV2 won more races then Dungey did this year correct?? and what was the out come to the 2010 sx season? who has the #1 plate. and who has a plate in there leg??

so that just goes to show, "speed wins races.. consistancy wins chanpionships..
If you go back in the archives i think you will see that RD was fastest in quali's and in the race as often as RV was, almost identical in every way but RV "looks" faster with his hunched over and all over the place style while RD looks more like KW or Reed but with a dash of RC's drive thrown in! As most here say, it will be very good racing with so many in the mix and RD has his work cut out for him! Lets hope they all can stay healthySmile
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RV has proven through championships vs RD that he will have plenty for him. Not to mention the fact that RV won more main events in...
RV has proven through championships vs RD that he will have plenty for him. Not to mention the fact that RV won more main events in SX in 2010 than RD. I know people in this sport forget quickly but RV is way better outdoors than indoors. RV will be a huge contender for both indoor and outdoor titles. If you're writing off RV for either title you're going to be very surprised. Did you already forget that RV has won every outdoor title he's ever competed in minus injury years. If RVs healthy for next years outdoor title I think he's the favorite IMO.
I like both Ryans..RV's go-for-broke style vs RD's patient/calculated style. It makes for great racing.

You make it sound like RV is the clear favorite. He's only raced one 450 National - ever. And unless I'm remembering it wrong, Dungey won the last 3 or 4 outdoor (250) races against RV.

I'm excited to see what happens. Should be good!

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dehner47 wrote:
and to even be more blantent with ya...

f**k RV2 and RD.. JLaw will be the 2011 sx/mx champ. for sure... Evil
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BLAHBLAH wrote:
Interersting... RV has 3 national championships RD has 3 national championships

What's your point?
RD has 2 Nationals
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dehner47 wrote:
speed wins races... consistancy wins championships..
Best way to comment on your comment is --Fail!!! Yeah and RV isn't consistent?? Are you smoking crack or some kind of other memory loss drug? RV hurt his knee that he injured when racing 85cc's and then had a freak accident in sx. Not too mention the freak dirt in the tail pipe deal. Other then that RV has been one of the most consistent champs ever.. You people are funny. You talk consistency smack against a rider that won 3 outdoor titles in a row. Only maybe a small handfull of racers in history were ever that consistent..

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I think it will be great racing...... I think they are bothSmile Smile really close in speed.......both of them need to watch out for a healthy Stewart......
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9/1/2010 11:52am Edited Date/Time 9/1/2010 11:53am
I don't think RV can make it thru a SX season healthy. I'm beginning to think he'll never make to the 1st national of a new season. Wish he'd give up SX for a year and show what he's capable of outdoors.
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BLAHBLAH wrote:
Interersting... RV has 3 national championships RD has 3 national championships

What's your point?
Cigaro wrote:
RD has 2 Nationals
2 Outdoor championships and 1 SX big boy championship.. counts as a national champion.
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raddad wrote:
If you go back in the archives i think you will see that RD was fastest in quali's and in the race as often as RV...
If you go back in the archives i think you will see that RD was fastest in quali's and in the race as often as RV was, almost identical in every way but RV "looks" faster with his hunched over and all over the place style while RD looks more like KW or Reed but with a dash of RC's drive thrown in! As most here say, it will be very good racing with so many in the mix and RD has his work cut out for him! Lets hope they all can stay healthySmile
Holy shit raddad, could you jock Dungey any harder? It might be tough...

IMO... In Supercross a fast aggressive style compared to a more controled "go slow to go faster style" can result in the same lap times...

However when you go outdoor racing that all out aggression, carring more speed around the track, is usually the fastest way around the track. RV has that, you can't say that he just looks like he is going fast, he is going fast.

God I hope RV can stay healthy next year for the Outdoors, because no one can run outside lines like RV. I can only hope that this time next year I am jocking RV half as hard as your on Dungeys nuts.
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I Villopoto wrecks himself out another MX season next year I am permanently off the bandwagon. Sheesh



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If RC and Chad Reed had a baby, it would be Ryan Dungey.
Now before you say that I'm putting RD on the same pedestal as CR and RC, I'm not. I'm merely saying that RD has a rare combination of speed, physical endurance (his fastest lap at Unadilla in the 2nd moto was in the 25th minute), consistency, and "race smarts" that I've seen out of any rider in a while. Give the guy 35-minutes to work and he will simply wear you down.

The biggest weakness I saw last season with Dungey was in SX. He HAS to be more aggressive when working through the pack. He spent way too much time last season trying to pick his way past slower riders, after having a bad start. He needs to pull some old tape out of RC (and Bubba for that matter) and watch them bitch-slap their way through the pack. I saw RC nearly knock K-Dub off his bike in Atlanta several years ago, while chasing down CR. Didn't take him out, but it was quick, and purposeful. K-Dub even threw up a hand like, "WTF"!

Now, what does all this mean for RV? I think RV can go toe-to-toe with RD in terms of raw speed, and I think he's a better tactical SX rider for the reason I mentioned above. While they both made mistakes last season, RV's ended up (obviously) being catastrophic. I think they'll match up pretty evenly in SX again this year, and it will be the guy who makes less mistakes that takes it. In motocross? Who knows. We've only seen RV race the outdoors sparingly the last three seasons due to injury, so it's hard to guage. If ANYONE can unseat Dungey outdoors, it's him. He'll have to out-train RD to do it, though.
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BLAHBLAH wrote:
2 Outdoor championships and 1 SX big boy championship.. counts as a national champion.
Ya I see what ur saying. I was only counting outdoor national titles. And RV has how many lites SX titles 2?
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DrSweden wrote:
I was thinking about how BT was able to keep RV honest 2007, that year (and 2008) I think both BT and RV was on top...
I was thinking about how BT was able to keep RV honest 2007, that year (and 2008) I think both BT and RV was on top of his game, and now when BT seems to be doing pretty good and trying everything to prove his speed. I honestly think BT is close to top of his game right now (but going outside his comfort zone is making him very inconsistent?), or at least he's honestly trying. But despite that, RD without any major problems seems to passing him on a regular basis which for me indicates that ever RD has stepped up? BT has stepped down?

The reason for this shit was that I though and RV would be the man next season, but RD impresses me, and I'm leaning towards that RV doesn't have shit for him?

If you guys had one million for next season and you where force to bet, which guy would you bet on?

Despite my deepest admiration for CP, I would actually bet on RD. Dude is damn solid.
RV has Dungey's pace but I think Ryan may have beaten him anyway this year... his program is great.. BT has the speed to run with RD too, but he seems to be impatient this year like he is trying to prove somthing instead of letting it come to him.

Dungey has the total package for US SX and MX in 2010 no-one else had everything together.

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