What I think Chad Reed will do (Added Info)

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Edited Date/Time 6/21/2015 7:43pm
added some info in a response below

With the rumor-mill turning the past few days with the possibility of Chad Reed closing the doors to Two Two Motorsports, I've been kicking around what I think Chad is going to be doing next. Every time rumors start, I gather my info and try to figure out what's going on, and I thought this one was worth sharing.

What I've heard:
Chad has some sort of injury that is probably going to require surgery (rumor is it's his shoulder).

Chad has been talking to the crew at Yamaha (GuyB has also seen this throughout Supercross)

Yamaha wants to have a in-house factory effort again.

I can imagine Chad is not someone who wants to go down without a fight and as most of us would guess, he probably wants to have a competitive year to end out his career. Between injuries and the stress of trying to run a race team (and trying make it self sufficient money-wise) it's not coming together. It's possibly dropping some of this un-needed stress may get him to where he needs to be to give it "that last shot" he wants.

Yamaha has been rumored to be looking at starting an in-house effort again, which they sort of did when they did the Valli effort with Pourcel last year. Yamaha still has the internal staff for engine and chassis development, along with shop area and a rig. But I can imagine that internally, Yamaha doesn't want to spend the money to run a full program as they did before, especially since spreading this money over to JGR and Star has worked out so well. But they do have a slight problem, they have two riders at Star they have spent a lot of money on to groom and bring to the top of the sport (Webb and Martin) and at this rate there may not be room for both of them at JGR on 450s. So basically, they need another Factory level home for one of these guys to land at.

Thus the high chance that Chad will work out a deal to go back to Yamaha (where he was quite successful and his confidence was high) If he can convince Discount Tire and some of his other sponsors to follow him, this would help Yamaha secure the budget they need to get this program running. Chad would probably be in the position to bring Goose or Lars over if he chooses, but Yamaha will take care of the rest of the staff, working with their engine program (which has a lot of info from JGR plus their own staff's know-how) and KYB for suspension (choice of PSF 1 air fork or SSS spring forks).

Chad could work with this program for a year or two, then end his career on his own terms, without worrying about the team. Then Yamaha is left with a solid program and the ability to keep the riders on Blue that they want. Win-win?
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Sounds promising. And Chad runs far back with Yami too. Hire DV as team manager.
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You know what bro, your story sucks! Chad Reed is washed up done etc. Whistling



Anyway, I think your story is completely logical and in fact I can see it in front of me. It all makes very much sense. Webb and Martin needs to have a Factory Yamaha ride or Yamaha will lose their promising riders. Reed also has some investments and assets. Reed can therefore focus on racing full time instead of being a manager as well (because that, as you said, doesn't work out when contract and sponsors needs to be negotiated)
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All of which is fine... I just wonder how a guy who has traditionally liked bikes that feel really light and have really good front end feel will get along with the Yamaha...
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A sorta in-house Yamaha team...wearing a Monster Helmet...

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Crush wrote:
All of which is fine... I just wonder how a guy who has traditionally liked bikes that feel really light and have really good front end...
All of which is fine... I just wonder how a guy who has traditionally liked bikes that feel really light and have really good front end feel will get along with the Yamaha...
The bike isn't heavy. It's lighter than a Kawi, front end feel is a different story. I think it will be great to see the 22 back on blue!
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Crush wrote:
All of which is fine... I just wonder how a guy who has traditionally liked bikes that feel really light and have really good front end...
All of which is fine... I just wonder how a guy who has traditionally liked bikes that feel really light and have really good front end feel will get along with the Yamaha...
He'll run Ti EVERYWHERE & fiddle with Triples/Off-Set/Angle/Trail, Engine Location and "clocking" and "pivot to axle length" until he gets it right...
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But why would they want to launch a factory effort with Chad? Yes he won a race this year but that's pretty much how he has been since 2013. A few ups and a lot of downs.
Like I get if it was a young and promising rider like Tomac but Chad? I'm not sure, but you do have a point...
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is the new yz450 good? like..for him?
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HenryA wrote:
But why would they want to launch a factory effort with Chad? Yes he won a race this year but that's pretty much how he has...
But why would they want to launch a factory effort with Chad? Yes he won a race this year but that's pretty much how he has been since 2013. A few ups and a lot of downs.
Like I get if it was a young and promising rider like Tomac but Chad? I'm not sure, but you do have a point...
His huuuuugeeeeeeee fan base, his professional team he already has built up and setting up the factory team for Webb and Martin (or other riders) ...
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HenryA wrote:
But why would they want to launch a factory effort with Chad? Yes he won a race this year but that's pretty much how he has...
But why would they want to launch a factory effort with Chad? Yes he won a race this year but that's pretty much how he has been since 2013. A few ups and a lot of downs.
Like I get if it was a young and promising rider like Tomac but Chad? I'm not sure, but you do have a point...
Testing/development. Yamaha is doing things right. Great stock bikes and Chad is a notoriously great test rider. This will really help the developement of the bikes.
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ML512, props for a well thought out, thought provoking post.

As a fan, it would be cool to see Chad return to his Yamaha roots for his final year(s). Sad to see TwoTwo close up though.
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Crush wrote:
All of which is fine... I just wonder how a guy who has traditionally liked bikes that feel really light and have really good front end...
All of which is fine... I just wonder how a guy who has traditionally liked bikes that feel really light and have really good front end feel will get along with the Yamaha...
Zycki11 wrote:
The bike isn't heavy. It's lighter than a Kawi, front end feel is a different story. I think it will be great to see the 22...
The bike isn't heavy. It's lighter than a Kawi, front end feel is a different story. I think it will be great to see the 22 back on blue!
Said feel... The Yamaha feels huge, wide and heavy, especially compared to the flickable bikes he has excelled on, ie the Honda, Suzuki, or even in his two stroke days, he was better on the RM and steel frame Yzs, which were quick turning than anything that was big and stable...
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That would be awesome!

There needs to be a "like" button for your post
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Crush wrote:
All of which is fine... I just wonder how a guy who has traditionally liked bikes that feel really light and have really good front end...
All of which is fine... I just wonder how a guy who has traditionally liked bikes that feel really light and have really good front end feel will get along with the Yamaha...
Zycki11 wrote:
The bike isn't heavy. It's lighter than a Kawi, front end feel is a different story. I think it will be great to see the 22...
The bike isn't heavy. It's lighter than a Kawi, front end feel is a different story. I think it will be great to see the 22 back on blue!
Crush wrote:
Said feel... The Yamaha feels huge, wide and heavy, especially compared to the flickable bikes he has excelled on, ie the Honda, Suzuki, or even in...
Said feel... The Yamaha feels huge, wide and heavy, especially compared to the flickable bikes he has excelled on, ie the Honda, Suzuki, or even in his two stroke days, he was better on the RM and steel frame Yzs, which were quick turning than anything that was big and stable...
The shrouds can be changed with the cycra powerflow kit. Reduces the width as well as the teams already reduce the radiators by 10mm. This puts it on par with other bikes. That is the only large feeling of the bike. It feels light, flickable, and quick handling. The shrouds and the bike turning into ruts are the main complaints. He will make it work, and improve upon it.
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Maybe he has an insurance policy that covers him for the rest of the year in the event of on injury?
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HenryA wrote:
But why would they want to launch a factory effort with Chad? Yes he won a race this year but that's pretty much how he has...
But why would they want to launch a factory effort with Chad? Yes he won a race this year but that's pretty much how he has been since 2013. A few ups and a lot of downs.
Like I get if it was a young and promising rider like Tomac but Chad? I'm not sure, but you do have a point...
Because of $$$. Chad would more than likely bring a decent amount of sponsorship coin with him, plus not cost too much. Eli would charge a heck of a lot more and not bring any sponsors with him. As I stated above, Yamaha wants an effort, but can't spend what they did in the past, especially since they've spread that money out to Star and JGR.
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ML512 wrote:
added some info in a response below With the rumor-mill turning the past few days with the possibility of Chad Reed closing the doors to Two...
added some info in a response below

With the rumor-mill turning the past few days with the possibility of Chad Reed closing the doors to Two Two Motorsports, I've been kicking around what I think Chad is going to be doing next. Every time rumors start, I gather my info and try to figure out what's going on, and I thought this one was worth sharing.

What I've heard:
Chad has some sort of injury that is probably going to require surgery (rumor is it's his shoulder).

Chad has been talking to the crew at Yamaha (GuyB has also seen this throughout Supercross)

Yamaha wants to have a in-house factory effort again.

I can imagine Chad is not someone who wants to go down without a fight and as most of us would guess, he probably wants to have a competitive year to end out his career. Between injuries and the stress of trying to run a race team (and trying make it self sufficient money-wise) it's not coming together. It's possibly dropping some of this un-needed stress may get him to where he needs to be to give it "that last shot" he wants.

Yamaha has been rumored to be looking at starting an in-house effort again, which they sort of did when they did the Valli effort with Pourcel last year. Yamaha still has the internal staff for engine and chassis development, along with shop area and a rig. But I can imagine that internally, Yamaha doesn't want to spend the money to run a full program as they did before, especially since spreading this money over to JGR and Star has worked out so well. But they do have a slight problem, they have two riders at Star they have spent a lot of money on to groom and bring to the top of the sport (Webb and Martin) and at this rate there may not be room for both of them at JGR on 450s. So basically, they need another Factory level home for one of these guys to land at.

Thus the high chance that Chad will work out a deal to go back to Yamaha (where he was quite successful and his confidence was high) If he can convince Discount Tire and some of his other sponsors to follow him, this would help Yamaha secure the budget they need to get this program running. Chad would probably be in the position to bring Goose or Lars over if he chooses, but Yamaha will take care of the rest of the staff, working with their engine program (which has a lot of info from JGR plus their own staff's know-how) and KYB for suspension (choice of PSF 1 air fork or SSS spring forks).

Chad could work with this program for a year or two, then end his career on his own terms, without worrying about the team. Then Yamaha is left with a solid program and the ability to keep the riders on Blue that they want. Win-win?
Sounds pretty spot on IMO.
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HenryA wrote:
But why would they want to launch a factory effort with Chad? Yes he won a race this year but that's pretty much how he has...
But why would they want to launch a factory effort with Chad? Yes he won a race this year but that's pretty much how he has been since 2013. A few ups and a lot of downs.
Like I get if it was a young and promising rider like Tomac but Chad? I'm not sure, but you do have a point...
Zycki11 wrote:
Testing/development. Yamaha is doing things right. Great stock bikes and Chad is a notoriously great test rider. This will really help the developement of the bikes.
Notoriously great test rider? More like a notoriously gigantic cry baby...the first time he was on Kawi he straight mailed it in, then at the end of his Honda run all he did was complain and mail it in.


The guys accomplishment are awesome. I just do not understand how he has such a gigantic following, he has always been dirty (think ALL of his takeouts). And he has always been a cry baby, it has always been the bikes fault...never his riding.
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That post is so stupid I can't believe I am wasting time responding....
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God I hope you're right. Not just because I want to see Reed on good equipment for another year, but because Yamaha going in house again with a real factory effort would be amazing. I think it shows something for the health of the sport when the manufacturers are really invested in going racing, rather than just tossing the money at third parties to put in the effort on their behalf.
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Reggsie wrote:
God I hope you're right. Not just because I want to see Reed on good equipment for another year, but because Yamaha going in house again...
God I hope you're right. Not just because I want to see Reed on good equipment for another year, but because Yamaha going in house again with a real factory effort would be amazing. I think it shows something for the health of the sport when the manufacturers are really invested in going racing, rather than just tossing the money at third parties to put in the effort on their behalf.
Have to agree that the best part of that scenario would be an actual Team Yamaha and eventually both Martin and Webb both on blue.
6/18/2015 6:27pm
I bet Chad's pumped that he isn't going to paying out of pocket anymore. Maybe he can just focus on riding again, instead of EVERYTHING.
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That post is so stupid I can't believe I am wasting time responding....
Yet you responded anyways.

Good job man!
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I read somewhere that Monster was going to be putting a lot of money into sponsoring Yamaha, and if Chad brings some sponsors in also, I think this could work out good for both parties.
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1) go on a stress free walk with the wife down Daytona Beach

2) go outside play with the kids

3) shoot some pool with the guys

4) spin some laps on the cart track

5)-10) don't worry about
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I was trying to remember when I heard Chad hurt his shoulder, I think it was Santa Clara (GuyB shot of the crash). I was also shooting at this round and remember some chatter in the pits about a possible shoulder injury, then Chad skipped the next race (East Rutherford).



Also just had a birdie give me a bit of confirmation about Chad Reed being in serious talks with Yamaha for the in-house effort.



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Great, another 2 years of Chad testing and fiddling with suspension bits and getting used to the new bike having to listen to him talk about "still setting the bike up" in every interview. All while Ryan sipes comes in for one or two races with next to no testing and beats him straight up. I hope I'm wrong I'd like to see him do well but I don't have high hopes.
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I vote that JG33 goes to Monster Energy Kawasaki for the rest of the year.
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GuyB wrote:
I vote that JG33 goes to Monster Energy Kawasaki for the rest of the year.
I'm cool with that! Is he still hurt?
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This makes sense on a lot of levels. And maybe with the understanding that it is his farewell gig, he will be able to enjoy being out there and just be a brand ambassador if the bike isn't 100% to his liking. Nobody is expecting him to go out and hit the podium every race anymore, no need to be hyper critical.

This would be a very, very nice way for him to close out his career, just like MC back to Honda for that partial season. Love the idea of him going out on blue.

Plus, he gets that bike and program dialed for Webb or Martin in '17.

Sounds like a win-win.

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