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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2015 12:00pm
Was the track at Oakland awesome or what? Made for fantastic racing all night long. Doesn't hurt that there are so many fast guys, but last night's track was the best so far this year as evidenced by all the great racing.

Variation is great, but it seems to me that when they get one this good, they should 'reuse' it. Granted, the dirt will be different in a different location, but therein lies some variation.

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Crush 1/25/2015 6:25am
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Honestly, I think the dirt breaking down and Getting so sticky was what made it, because if that was typical phoenix dirt, dry and what not, there were a lot of 90s and would have been follow the leader. Dirt and ruts meant line selection was critical... See how different Trey's lines were to the other dudes?!
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dmac1 1/25/2015 6:33am
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Crush wrote:
Honestly, I think the dirt breaking down and Getting so sticky was what made it, because if that was typical phoenix dirt, dry and what not...
Honestly, I think the dirt breaking down and Getting so sticky was what made it, because if that was typical phoenix dirt, dry and what not, there were a lot of 90s and would have been follow the leader. Dirt and ruts meant line selection was critical... See how different Trey's lines were to the other dudes?!
Yes....did notice different the different lines. Canard's pass on Reed was one spot. Then Reed started using that line later. Was great! Probably the design wouldn't work everywhere, but it seemed apparent to us right away that it was going to make for some good racing.
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motomike137 1/25/2015 7:19am
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Crush wrote:
Honestly, I think the dirt breaking down and Getting so sticky was what made it, because if that was typical phoenix dirt, dry and what not...
Honestly, I think the dirt breaking down and Getting so sticky was what made it, because if that was typical phoenix dirt, dry and what not, there were a lot of 90s and would have been follow the leader. Dirt and ruts meant line selection was critical... See how different Trey's lines were to the other dudes?!
Crush you know it was Oakland last night correct? I think besides the dirt texture the layout was pretty racy and the little sand section was interesting as well. All I know is that Kenny just did the fans a big favor last night!
travis-grant 1/25/2015 7:28am
1/25/2015 7:28am
reminded me of late 90s tracks, the tripple looked quite low and long rather than kicking them higs. best track this year

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Heres'sJohnny 1/25/2015 7:54am
1/25/2015 7:54am
motomike137 wrote:
Crush you know it was Oakland last night correct? I think besides the dirt texture the layout was pretty racy and the little sand section was...
Crush you know it was Oakland last night correct? I think besides the dirt texture the layout was pretty racy and the little sand section was interesting as well. All I know is that Kenny just did the fans a big favor last night!
Crush is to busy defending Bowers in 5 other threads to know what round it is.

Oakland is always dishing up great racing. I love when the series switches into football stadiums, seems to make better tracks. Also, more on-off tables into corners!!
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jmx411 1/25/2015 2:37pm
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I do like how they are setting up a lot of the triples. It seems that they are having the stretch it out to make it a lot of times.
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Skuzzy29 1/25/2015 2:46pm
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The moguls in one corner and the sand section made for enough mistakes to change things up. It was usually one of those spots that mess a rider up enough to get caught or make a pass.
I was sitting at the corner with the moguls and guys were having a hard time finding a smooth line every lap there.

Back when everyone was running 2-strokes it was a lot easier to miss a shift or bog coming out of a corner and miss a jump or rhythm section.
Without those types of mistakes to mess up a lap here and there...it needs to be the track. This track kept things interesting.
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mx836 1/25/2015 2:55pm
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Crush wrote:
Honestly, I think the dirt breaking down and Getting so sticky was what made it, because if that was typical phoenix dirt, dry and what not...
Honestly, I think the dirt breaking down and Getting so sticky was what made it, because if that was typical phoenix dirt, dry and what not, there were a lot of 90s and would have been follow the leader. Dirt and ruts meant line selection was critical... See how different Trey's lines were to the other dudes?!
dmac1 wrote:
Yes....did notice different the different lines. Canard's pass on Reed was one spot. Then Reed started using that line later. Was great! Probably the design wouldn't...
Yes....did notice different the different lines. Canard's pass on Reed was one spot. Then Reed started using that line later. Was great! Probably the design wouldn't work everywhere, but it seemed apparent to us right away that it was going to make for some good racing.
Could be mistaken, but that inside line before the triple is what caused Reed to jump off the track twice right there. Just couldn't quite stick it every lap.
thephoenix 1/25/2015 3:00pm
1/25/2015 3:00pm
I thought the track was awesome. I initially thought the dirt was going to suck, based on some of the later practices but...come race time it was great. Another reason Reed was able to run so high, there was enough technicality to challenge the riders, and we all know how smooth and technical Reedy can be.

You could see the riders creativity in line selection come out. Multiple lines create passing, and ask Webb and Canard what they thought...
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struth 1/25/2015 4:06pm
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Skuzzy29 wrote:
The moguls in one corner and the sand section made for enough mistakes to change things up. It was usually one of those spots that mess...
The moguls in one corner and the sand section made for enough mistakes to change things up. It was usually one of those spots that mess a rider up enough to get caught or make a pass.
I was sitting at the corner with the moguls and guys were having a hard time finding a smooth line every lap there.

Back when everyone was running 2-strokes it was a lot easier to miss a shift or bog coming out of a corner and miss a jump or rhythm section.
Without those types of mistakes to mess up a lap here and there...it needs to be the track. This track kept things interesting.
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The moguls should bee in most rounds.
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plowboy 1/25/2015 4:26pm
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Honestly I only watch supercross cause it's the "off" season for moto. Any track that slows down the pace and makes it safer for these crazy mofo is a-ok with me. I'm amazed there aren't more injuries in the areanas of death.
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Crush 1/25/2015 11:52pm
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motomike137 wrote:
Crush you know it was Oakland last night correct? I think besides the dirt texture the layout was pretty racy and the little sand section was...
Crush you know it was Oakland last night correct? I think besides the dirt texture the layout was pretty racy and the little sand section was interesting as well. All I know is that Kenny just did the fans a big favor last night!
Heres'sJohnny wrote:
Crush is to busy defending Bowers in 5 other threads to know what round it is. Oakland is always dishing up great racing. I love when...
Crush is to busy defending Bowers in 5 other threads to know what round it is.

Oakland is always dishing up great racing. I love when the series switches into football stadiums, seems to make better tracks. Also, more on-off tables into corners!!
Of course I know what round it was!

My comment was about the dirt being stickier, I used phoenix as an example because typically a lot of the tracks in recent years have been dryer and more hard-packed than what Oakland has...

The track design was not great at all, 90s all over the place... the technicality was coming from the dirt itself... ie the turn in home plate being moguls etc was good because of the dirt, if it was hardpacked it wouldn't have got notchy and there would have been much simpler than it was.

As for Bowers being dirty, it doesn't need defending, it wasn't dirty, I'm just pointing it out for the sake of some moto-education. If you think it was dirty, you should try another sport. That's just what happens in supercross occasionally.
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SF45 1/26/2015 11:47am
1/26/2015 11:47am Edited Date/Time 1/26/2015 11:48am
90's are better than bowl turns if you ask me, especially depending on what kind of obstacles are before it and after. Wether it was the layout or the dirt, that was a proper 450 supercross track. Even the whoops, where they jumped through them, got the front end high so they could come down and preload the triple out.... the track was working WITH the suspensions on the bikes, which allows the riders the use their skills to the best effect.
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enketchum 1/26/2015 11:48am
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lap times were too short
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1/26/2015 11:53am Edited Date/Time 4/6/2015 2:24pm
Crush wrote:
Honestly, I think the dirt breaking down and Getting so sticky was what made it, because if that was typical phoenix dirt, dry and what not...
Honestly, I think the dirt breaking down and Getting so sticky was what made it, because if that was typical phoenix dirt, dry and what not, there were a lot of 90s and would have been follow the leader. Dirt and ruts meant line selection was critical... See how different Trey's lines were to the other dudes?!
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Eatmydirt03 1/26/2015 12:00pm
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Crush wrote:
Honestly, I think the dirt breaking down and Getting so sticky was what made it, because if that was typical phoenix dirt, dry and what not...
Honestly, I think the dirt breaking down and Getting so sticky was what made it, because if that was typical phoenix dirt, dry and what not, there were a lot of 90s and would have been follow the leader. Dirt and ruts meant line selection was critical... See how different Trey's lines were to the other dudes?!
dmac1 wrote:
Yes....did notice different the different lines. Canard's pass on Reed was one spot. Then Reed started using that line later. Was great! Probably the design wouldn't...
Yes....did notice different the different lines. Canard's pass on Reed was one spot. Then Reed started using that line later. Was great! Probably the design wouldn't work everywhere, but it seemed apparent to us right away that it was going to make for some good racing.
I think that is also where Reed was having his trouble jumping off track taking that line.

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