Supercross v. Motocross injury rate

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Has any statistics ever been completed with supercross versus motocross injury percentage at the pro level? Or even percentage of severe injury? I love watching supercross, it's exciting it's a show, it's got a cool factor with the rhythms and peaky jumps, but I suspect it produces more injury per season then motocross, curious if there has been a Stat produced on this
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kb228 4/13/2022 8:09am
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You put humans on wheels with an engine and then tell them to fly 60+ feet through the air and also race each other youre going to have injuries no matter what
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cwel11 4/13/2022 8:59am
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Actually wondered this myself. Missed races SX vs MX. Definitely seems like SX is more of a meat grinder.
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soggy 4/13/2022 9:04am
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This thread oughta be full of factual info 🙄
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TeamGreen 4/13/2022 9:21am
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Racer X has weekly injury reports...I wouldn't be surprised if Davey's got enough data to put something together.
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chasetwo79 4/13/2022 9:27am
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The timing of outdoors skews the data. People get to round 1 of outdoors and are either returning from a SX injury or they’ve been beat up for 17 rounds of being put through the meat grinder and show up already ran down.
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DonM 4/13/2022 10:10am
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MXGP has just as many injuries as SX, it ebbs and flows…riding dirt bikes is dangerous regardless of where you ride them…
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Bradj70 4/13/2022 10:38am
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TeamGreen wrote:
Racer X has weekly injury reports...I wouldn't be surprised if Davey's got enough data to put something together.
That would be some cool data to see, also injury rate of supercross only athletes vs moto only if they exist. In just interested in what the data points to
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RichieW13 4/13/2022 11:11am
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chasetwo79 wrote:
The timing of outdoors skews the data. People get to round 1 of outdoors and are either returning from a SX injury or they’ve been beat...
The timing of outdoors skews the data. People get to round 1 of outdoors and are either returning from a SX injury or they’ve been beat up for 17 rounds of being put through the meat grinder and show up already ran down.
Yeah, the data would be real messy. You'll have some guys missing MX races due to injuries from SX. Ferrandis announced he's out for the rest of SX season. But if his injury instead happened with 5 rounds of the MX series left, would he still pull out, or would he come back since he would still have plenty of time to come back to SX in 5 months?

Also, in MX you have 40 guys racing the "main" event, compared to 22 in SX. Do the guys racing for 30th place in MX have the same intensity as the guys racing for 10th? So are they less likely to have bad crashes? Do we even hear about it if somebody like Scott Meshey (to pick a name at random) has a practice crash that keeps him out for 3 weeks?

In general, are guys more or less motivated to return to racing SX compared to MX?
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mx 219 4/13/2022 12:21pm
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chasetwo79 wrote:
The timing of outdoors skews the data. People get to round 1 of outdoors and are either returning from a SX injury or they’ve been beat...
The timing of outdoors skews the data. People get to round 1 of outdoors and are either returning from a SX injury or they’ve been beat up for 17 rounds of being put through the meat grinder and show up already ran down.
RichieW13 wrote:
Yeah, the data would be real messy. You'll have some guys missing MX races due to injuries from SX. Ferrandis announced he's out for the rest...
Yeah, the data would be real messy. You'll have some guys missing MX races due to injuries from SX. Ferrandis announced he's out for the rest of SX season. But if his injury instead happened with 5 rounds of the MX series left, would he still pull out, or would he come back since he would still have plenty of time to come back to SX in 5 months?

Also, in MX you have 40 guys racing the "main" event, compared to 22 in SX. Do the guys racing for 30th place in MX have the same intensity as the guys racing for 10th? So are they less likely to have bad crashes? Do we even hear about it if somebody like Scott Meshey (to pick a name at random) has a practice crash that keeps him out for 3 weeks?

In general, are guys more or less motivated to return to racing SX compared to MX?
I think you would almost have to look at this data based on whether they were racing or testing for motocross or supercross. That is the only fair way to do it that I can think of. I would go by the rounds missed, but rather when the injury occurred.
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DonM wrote:
MXGP has just as many injuries as SX, it ebbs and flows…riding dirt bikes is dangerous regardless of where you ride them…
What data are you basing MXGP has just as many injuries as SX claim opinion on?
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chasetwo79 4/13/2022 12:54pm
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chasetwo79 wrote:
The timing of outdoors skews the data. People get to round 1 of outdoors and are either returning from a SX injury or they’ve been beat...
The timing of outdoors skews the data. People get to round 1 of outdoors and are either returning from a SX injury or they’ve been beat up for 17 rounds of being put through the meat grinder and show up already ran down.
RichieW13 wrote:
Yeah, the data would be real messy. You'll have some guys missing MX races due to injuries from SX. Ferrandis announced he's out for the rest...
Yeah, the data would be real messy. You'll have some guys missing MX races due to injuries from SX. Ferrandis announced he's out for the rest of SX season. But if his injury instead happened with 5 rounds of the MX series left, would he still pull out, or would he come back since he would still have plenty of time to come back to SX in 5 months?

Also, in MX you have 40 guys racing the "main" event, compared to 22 in SX. Do the guys racing for 30th place in MX have the same intensity as the guys racing for 10th? So are they less likely to have bad crashes? Do we even hear about it if somebody like Scott Meshey (to pick a name at random) has a practice crash that keeps him out for 3 weeks?

In general, are guys more or less motivated to return to racing SX compared to MX?
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I think you would almost have to look at this data based on whether they were racing or testing for motocross or supercross. That is the...
I think you would almost have to look at this data based on whether they were racing or testing for motocross or supercross. That is the only fair way to do it that I can think of. I would go by the rounds missed, but rather when the injury occurred.
But even so, by the time we get to MX, lots of dudes have “injuries” but are just spent from a brutal SX season.

I know people are going to flame me but I really think the product would be much better for both SX and MX if riders got paid to focus on the one they want.

It might even lead to an expanded MX series. Imagine if we could go back to having nationals in March in Florida? Shit, we could do an outdoors series that starts in The southern states when it’s actually nice there so places like Florida and Texas get opportunities to have nationals. Imagine if riders weren’t just riding outdoors with their eye on a vacation and SX training but full invested like the MXGP series is.

I know up till this point it’s been a money issue. But, I’m hopeful this world SX series will finally lead to a split that’s sustainable for both disciplines. And more Moto for us as consumers
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ToolMaker 4/13/2022 1:19pm
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IF, and a big IF, you did a comparison, I think it would be much more interesting to categorize where on the track, IE what obstacle cause said injury. It seems if you removed the whoops, your injury rate would drop 90% in SX.
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RichieW13 wrote:
Yeah, the data would be real messy. You'll have some guys missing MX races due to injuries from SX. Ferrandis announced he's out for the rest...
Yeah, the data would be real messy. You'll have some guys missing MX races due to injuries from SX. Ferrandis announced he's out for the rest of SX season. But if his injury instead happened with 5 rounds of the MX series left, would he still pull out, or would he come back since he would still have plenty of time to come back to SX in 5 months?

Also, in MX you have 40 guys racing the "main" event, compared to 22 in SX. Do the guys racing for 30th place in MX have the same intensity as the guys racing for 10th? So are they less likely to have bad crashes? Do we even hear about it if somebody like Scott Meshey (to pick a name at random) has a practice crash that keeps him out for 3 weeks?

In general, are guys more or less motivated to return to racing SX compared to MX?
mx 219 wrote:
I think you would almost have to look at this data based on whether they were racing or testing for motocross or supercross. That is the...
I think you would almost have to look at this data based on whether they were racing or testing for motocross or supercross. That is the only fair way to do it that I can think of. I would go by the rounds missed, but rather when the injury occurred.
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But even so, by the time we get to MX, lots of dudes have “injuries” but are just spent from a brutal SX season. I know...
But even so, by the time we get to MX, lots of dudes have “injuries” but are just spent from a brutal SX season.

I know people are going to flame me but I really think the product would be much better for both SX and MX if riders got paid to focus on the one they want.

It might even lead to an expanded MX series. Imagine if we could go back to having nationals in March in Florida? Shit, we could do an outdoors series that starts in The southern states when it’s actually nice there so places like Florida and Texas get opportunities to have nationals. Imagine if riders weren’t just riding outdoors with their eye on a vacation and SX training but full invested like the MXGP series is.

I know up till this point it’s been a money issue. But, I’m hopeful this world SX series will finally lead to a split that’s sustainable for both disciplines. And more Moto for us as consumers
I think you'd find a lesser quality MX series just because it's not as good for a television show.
I just don't see how you get main stream viewership like you can with SX.
Less money to pay the riders, so the good riders will gravitate to the money.
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chasetwo79 4/13/2022 1:39pm
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Maybe at first, but I think it could evolve into an Indy-Car/NASCAR style dynamic. Indy is the lesser series in popularity, but still very much respected and loved. Sometimes you could see riders hop back and forth in their careers like Tony Stewart and others did.

The bar to be a top tier professional motocross racer shouldn’t also require the ability to be a top tier SX racer.

This is why we keep getting blasted in the MXdN. We’ve got generalists who have to be good at both versus people who can be great at what the love and choose to do.

So maybe early on the product could be a little watered down, but with specialization comes better skill and I think it could even out.
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chase279 said "I know people are going to flame me but I really think the product would be much better for both SX and MX if riders got paid to focus on the one they want."

I really think riders are getting paid today to focus on what they want. US riders do both disciplines with the rare SX only deal while the MXGP crowd does their thing. If it ain't broke don't fix it and our current SX & MX in the US works pretty well.

Regarding the World SX series, I am waiting for the series to come together before making any sport chaning predictions. Regarding the MXoN, I don't see how anything you've proposed has any hope for improving the US's chances. It makes my head hurt trying to process the watering down will over time increase riders abilities in a specific discipline.
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sandman768 4/13/2022 5:55pm
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I’m no statistician but it seems like a comparison could be done. Pick a year, say 2022. Take the RacerX injury report and keep a running tab until the year is over. I would think any injury incurred while practicing for said discipline would count for that discipline
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ElliotB16 4/14/2022 6:21am
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Go roll around a legit supercross track and it’s a no brainer. Shit can go wrong quick on those tight tracks
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TeamGreen 4/14/2022 6:24am
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If this year is any sort of reference, it looks like SX takes down a helluva lot of riders.
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Mit12 4/14/2022 8:15am
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I think that the injury rate is similar between SX and MX. It seems that SX has more minor injuries while MX has the more serious injuries.
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TeamGreen wrote:
If this year is any sort of reference, it looks like SX takes down a helluva lot of riders.
Especially with the man eater whoops all season long. Massive fail if that's anyone at Feld's idea of making the racing better.
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FreshTopEnd 4/15/2022 10:37am
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TeamGreen wrote:
If this year is any sort of reference, it looks like SX takes down a helluva lot of riders.
Oddly enough, I think the outdoors took down Stew more often.
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DaveB771 4/15/2022 11:19am
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You'd also have to factor in the amount of track time, especially in MXGP with their Saturday qualifying races.
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Leeham 4/15/2022 12:38pm
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I think the best way to do this is to count up the DNF/DNS for the race day. Crash in qualifying or during practice week leading up to the race day. Counts as one injury per discipline (SX or MX). I wouldn't count races afterwards. I reckon there is way more missed SX races. MX it seems its easier to limp around and still be somewhat in the mix. Top 10/15? Unless you are totally broken.

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