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3/25/2010 9:43am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 9:39pm
OW38B wrote:
From Glen Helen Statement: "From the beginning of the most recent contract negotiations, Glen Helen has asked for the same contractual terms as other tracks on...
From Glen Helen Statement:

"From the beginning of the most recent contract negotiations, Glen Helen has asked for the same contractual terms as other tracks on the National circuit received in 2010. Due to the lack of equality in the terms,Glen Helen is unable to move forward with a National at this time."

COMMON SENSE would dictate that all the National tracks would have the same basic contract. While moving the sport forward, MXSports should not alienate those that "brought them to the dance."

If it was just the length of the contract as your boy DC states, they could have easily had just a year to year contract for this year.
How do you know it wasn't a year to year contract and GH wanted a 3yr deal or more?
>Speculate all you want, because that's all anyone can do at this point of the announcement. The end of story is that GH didn't want to play, so they decided not to.
The sport will go on.
And for goodness sakes, the talk of PALA is with the opinion that there will be a national track built, not on the track that is currently there.
Same deal as what happened at Freestone, although if it is PALA, I hope they learned from Freestones mistakes and do a better job of it.
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"If it was just the length of the contract as your boy DC states"

Is he holding back on the MX Sports side of things.
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3/25/2010 9:48am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 9:39pm
DC wrote:
Sorry, I was away from my computer last night....There's no way around it: change is never easy. Glen Helen's decision to cancel their 2010 national over...
Sorry, I was away from my computer last night....

There's no way around it: change is never easy. Glen Helen's decision to cancel their 2010 national over the length of their new contract is as surprising as it is disappointing. It leaves us no choice but to move forward and find a new facility in Southern California.

I feel bad for the fans of Glen Helen, as well as the ones who have already made travels plans for Memorial Day weekend. I promise everyone that we will do our best to find a suitable replacement, though the date will now likely be the second weekend in September.

I hope that what MX Sports and the rest of the promoters have managed to do in the last year to raise the quality of the events, the exposure of the series on television and online, to satisfy the riders and their teams, as well as their sponsors and their fans, is not forgotten in this moment of change. This was a business decision made by a longtime promoter, and I respect Mr. Feldkamp's decision not to continue with the series.

MX Sports has a vision of what AMA Pro Motocross should be, and most in the industry seem to agree with what we've done so far. But we have a lot more work to do, and you can count on us to do it.

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Back then the sx & mx series schedules overlapped on multiple occasions. It was only the last couple of years before Gatorback was dropped that it held its traditional date with bike week while the rest of the schedule was separated.

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3/25/2010 9:49am
Good riddance Glen Helen! Won’t miss the trashy dust bowl at all. The facility is a pit, and I haven’t noticed any improvements for the fans, teams, or riders. And for GH’s claim for having the highest attendance, apparently they haven’t been to any other National. In actuality, I would say they have had a steady decline in spectators. Every year the time out of the parking lot has gotten shorter and shorter, and the infield was almost empty last year. Good for you DC, move forward!
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Why do you assume HE let something fall through the cracks? If you read what he said, GH CHOSE TO NOT PARTICIPATE How is that his...
Why do you assume HE let something fall through the cracks?

If you read what he said, GH CHOSE TO NOT PARTICIPATE

How is that his fault?

It's business.
One side chooses to not continue the business relationship for whatever reason
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And the last few years is when he said that........
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So a more profit orientated world means that GH wouldn't pay the dollars to MXsports so they could run "their" race on one the jewels of...
So a more profit orientated world means that GH wouldn't pay the dollars to MXsports so they could run "their" race on one the jewels of the sport.
Instead the sport is gonna get a race on a manufactured track that pays more because it's subsidised by a casino.
My point is the money involved is not enough and never will be INDY money, we are devouring ourselves for pocket change.
If someone payed enough do you think it would be ok to move the Indy 500 then ?
No of course not, There is a large enough movement who would cry foul.
In Motocross there is not and never will be enough of a movement to stop an "Organising Body" From doing what they want.
However this is America and I sincerely hope we do not allow losing our beloved sport because it is just small enough to be manipulated.
Trust me, Europe was the basis for everything that came before, except America did it better.
If Europe is the basis for what's next, You'll be looking backwards with fond memories of what slipped thru your hands racefans, like the sands of Mount Saint Helens.
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3/25/2010 9:54am
Trip, I am not sure what you're talking about (and the personal insults seem below you). I sincerely thought that it would work out when I emailed you, and I am surprised and sorry that it did not. Change is never easy, nor are contracts.

There were differences in the length of the term, period. They would not proceed unless they got the maximum length. They did not get it, so they quit rather than proceed, and we have no choice but to accept their decision and move on.

It had nothing to do with the track -- Jody builds a very dynamic, spectacular track, and I asked him before about building some more in the future. Losing the race course itself is the most regrettable part of this development.

And for what it's worth, the one-year extension was the same one that a track in Pennsylvania got.

DC
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3/25/2010 9:57am
I am starting to like this DC character...

Dude. The Nationals will rock just like they always have. Thanks for all your work.
3/25/2010 9:57am
The MX sports version of the Nationals is waaay better then any National series in the world. The coverage speaks for its self and puts the way "it use to be" to shame. Keep up the good work DC. Don't get me wrong, I've always enjoyed GH but you can't stand in the way of progress.
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3/25/2010 10:03am
Glen Helen will be missed. The elevation changes and roughness will be near immpossible to replace.
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Man, it sure must not be easy with the usual "don't change a thing" shouts from the nucleus core of the fans. Having a break after...
Man, it sure must not be easy with the usual "don't change a thing" shouts from the nucleus core of the fans.

Having a break after Hangtown and coming back to the West Coast after Steel City is definitely going to be a home run with riders and teams based in SoCal.
I clicked on this thread and got a giant sucking sound,traced it to this post.
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3/25/2010 10:11am
Bummer, can't stand to go to SX anymore and now I don't have a National to go to.
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3/25/2010 10:25am
DC wrote:
Trip, I am not sure what you're talking about (and the personal insults seem below you). I sincerely thought that it would work out when I...
Trip, I am not sure what you're talking about (and the personal insults seem below you). I sincerely thought that it would work out when I emailed you, and I am surprised and sorry that it did not. Change is never easy, nor are contracts.

There were differences in the length of the term, period. They would not proceed unless they got the maximum length. They did not get it, so they quit rather than proceed, and we have no choice but to accept their decision and move on.

It had nothing to do with the track -- Jody builds a very dynamic, spectacular track, and I asked him before about building some more in the future. Losing the race course itself is the most regrettable part of this development.

And for what it's worth, the one-year extension was the same one that a track in Pennsylvania got.

DC
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Is that a Coombs family owned track that got the other one year extension???

Sounds to me like your getting what you wanted. Glen Helen gone, and a possible new California location with a hotel to wine and dine the sponsors and the potential sponsors. Sounds great for you and the sponsors.

What good is a one year contract to the facility?? Here's how I see it... You give other tracks a 3 year extension. In that extension, you ask for upgrades to the track and the facility.... You give Glen Helen a 1 year extension, meaning your not planning on being there long term... Who is going to put the work, and the money in to something for a one year deal??? Next year you come back and say," you didn't do the needed upgrades" so we will not be giving you an extension. Pretty basic. If you didn't offer them a a longer extension, you really did have plans on moving the race.
I understand it takes money to make things work, and it is business, and sometimes things don't work out. That's to be expected, as they say "shit happens." I will get over it. What I wont get over is the way the mx media portrays itself.

My main gripe is how this was all handled. I've known about this possibility since the middle of February. Yet not one word from you or any other mx industry player. You guys are quick to talk about contracts of riders, who might sign where, who will be looking for a ride, Alessi drama, 338 drama, and so on. When it comes to MX Sports, everything is a big secret. Why?

I don't see anybody EVER questioning you, well I take that back, TFS and Glen Helen did and look where it got them..

Good luck to you and MX Sports. My family will not be attending the September 11 race, I'm sure you will not miss us, and the sport will go on without Glen Helen. Just seems everything your trying to do is backwards.

Saturday TV??? Who is home on a Saturday afternoon in the summer??

Thanks for responding...



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3/25/2010 10:38am
I've known about this possibility since the middle of February

Really? You knew that GH was going to refuse contract terms?

What good is a one year contract to the facility?? Here's how I see it... You give other tracks a 3 year extension. In that extension, you ask for upgrades to the track and the facility.... You give Glen Helen a 1 year extension, meaning your not planning on being there long term... Who is going to put the work, and the money in to something for a one year deal??? Next year you come back and say," you didn't do the needed upgrades" so we will not be giving you an extension. Pretty basic. If you didn't offer them a a longer extension, you really did have plans on moving the race.

Really? How do you know that GH wasn't asked to do upgrades/improvements in previous years and they didn't come through with it and DC was going to give them one more year to do as they said they would?

I don't see anybody EVER questioning you

Really? I see it all the time, go back and read last years threads about the proposed changes to the Nat's. The list is long.

My family will not be attending the September 11 race, I'm sure you will not miss us, and the sport will go on without Glen Helen.

Way to support the sport. That oozes, "I'm taking my ball away and going home".

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3/25/2010 10:39am Edited Date/Time 3/25/2010 10:40am
aminkman wrote:
Bummer, can't stand to go to SX anymore and now I don't have a National to go to.
Not to worry, MX is becoming SX. Very unfortunate, but shorter lap times, smoother tracks w/man made obstacles, press boxes and hospitality suites reek of anything but MX. 5 years from now the WORCS series will be more MX like (at least in the true sense). Glad I was able to see it in it's true form.
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3/25/2010 10:39am
DC wrote:
Trip, I am not sure what you're talking about (and the personal insults seem below you). I sincerely thought that it would work out when I...
Trip, I am not sure what you're talking about (and the personal insults seem below you). I sincerely thought that it would work out when I emailed you, and I am surprised and sorry that it did not. Change is never easy, nor are contracts.

There were differences in the length of the term, period. They would not proceed unless they got the maximum length. They did not get it, so they quit rather than proceed, and we have no choice but to accept their decision and move on.

It had nothing to do with the track -- Jody builds a very dynamic, spectacular track, and I asked him before about building some more in the future. Losing the race course itself is the most regrettable part of this development.

And for what it's worth, the one-year extension was the same one that a track in Pennsylvania got.

DC
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So...
GH wanted a commitment from you that if they did make improvements to to their facility you would continue to run "your" race there,
Presumably because like a lot of people it seems they had insight that Pala was in discussions with you to run "Your" race there.
So they were purely trying to make sure that their investment was worthwhile in the long term,
While your party had probably already agreed to the new deal in 2011.
Boy I hope those comped rooms were worth it,
Did they give you free chips as well,
Were there thirty of them ?.
jb.
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3/25/2010 10:43am
Trip wrote:
Is that a Coombs family owned track that got the other one year extension??? Sounds to me like your getting what you wanted. Glen Helen gone...
Is that a Coombs family owned track that got the other one year extension???

Sounds to me like your getting what you wanted. Glen Helen gone, and a possible new California location with a hotel to wine and dine the sponsors and the potential sponsors. Sounds great for you and the sponsors.

What good is a one year contract to the facility?? Here's how I see it... You give other tracks a 3 year extension. In that extension, you ask for upgrades to the track and the facility.... You give Glen Helen a 1 year extension, meaning your not planning on being there long term... Who is going to put the work, and the money in to something for a one year deal??? Next year you come back and say," you didn't do the needed upgrades" so we will not be giving you an extension. Pretty basic. If you didn't offer them a a longer extension, you really did have plans on moving the race.
I understand it takes money to make things work, and it is business, and sometimes things don't work out. That's to be expected, as they say "shit happens." I will get over it. What I wont get over is the way the mx media portrays itself.

My main gripe is how this was all handled. I've known about this possibility since the middle of February. Yet not one word from you or any other mx industry player. You guys are quick to talk about contracts of riders, who might sign where, who will be looking for a ride, Alessi drama, 338 drama, and so on. When it comes to MX Sports, everything is a big secret. Why?

I don't see anybody EVER questioning you, well I take that back, TFS and Glen Helen did and look where it got them..

Good luck to you and MX Sports. My family will not be attending the September 11 race, I'm sure you will not miss us, and the sport will go on without Glen Helen. Just seems everything your trying to do is backwards.

Saturday TV??? Who is home on a Saturday afternoon in the summer??

Thanks for responding...



WOW, an amazing amount of assumptions in there
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JB65 wrote:
So... GH wanted a commitment from you that if they did make improvements to to their facility you would continue to run "your" race there, Presumably...
So...
GH wanted a commitment from you that if they did make improvements to to their facility you would continue to run "your" race there,
Presumably because like a lot of people it seems they had insight that Pala was in discussions with you to run "Your" race there.
So they were purely trying to make sure that their investment was worthwhile in the long term,
While your party had probably already agreed to the new deal in 2011.
Boy I hope those comped rooms were worth it,
Did they give you free chips as well,
Were there thirty of them ?.
jb.
More assumptions!!

WOW

It's like a fucking sea of assumptions in here.....


wave after wave after wave of assumptions
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JB65 wrote:
So... GH wanted a commitment from you that if they did make improvements to to their facility you would continue to run "your" race there, Presumably...
So...
GH wanted a commitment from you that if they did make improvements to to their facility you would continue to run "your" race there,
Presumably because like a lot of people it seems they had insight that Pala was in discussions with you to run "Your" race there.
So they were purely trying to make sure that their investment was worthwhile in the long term,
While your party had probably already agreed to the new deal in 2011.
Boy I hope those comped rooms were worth it,
Did they give you free chips as well,
Were there thirty of them ?.
jb.
So, what you're trying to say is that you're willing to consider both sides of the story.

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flarider wrote:
More assumptions!!

WOW

It's like a fucking sea of assumptions in here.....


wave after wave after wave of assumptions
Even after DC gave a simple reason.
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3/25/2010 10:52am
JB65 wrote:
So... GH wanted a commitment from you that if they did make improvements to to their facility you would continue to run "your" race there, Presumably...
So...
GH wanted a commitment from you that if they did make improvements to to their facility you would continue to run "your" race there,
Presumably because like a lot of people it seems they had insight that Pala was in discussions with you to run "Your" race there.
So they were purely trying to make sure that their investment was worthwhile in the long term,
While your party had probably already agreed to the new deal in 2011.
Boy I hope those comped rooms were worth it,
Did they give you free chips as well,
Were there thirty of them ?.
jb.
flarider wrote:
More assumptions!!

WOW

It's like a fucking sea of assumptions in here.....


wave after wave after wave of assumptions
I am repeating in plain english a translation of the contract language Mr Coombs himself posted,
If thats an assumption you need a dictionary.
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JB65 wrote:
So... GH wanted a commitment from you that if they did make improvements to to their facility you would continue to run "your" race there, Presumably...
So...
GH wanted a commitment from you that if they did make improvements to to their facility you would continue to run "your" race there,
Presumably because like a lot of people it seems they had insight that Pala was in discussions with you to run "Your" race there.
So they were purely trying to make sure that their investment was worthwhile in the long term,
While your party had probably already agreed to the new deal in 2011.
Boy I hope those comped rooms were worth it,
Did they give you free chips as well,
Were there thirty of them ?.
jb.
flarider wrote:
More assumptions!!

WOW

It's like a fucking sea of assumptions in here.....


wave after wave after wave of assumptions
JB65 wrote:
I am repeating in plain english a translation of the contract language Mr Coombs himself posted,
If thats an assumption you need a dictionary.
jb
DC posted this?

Presumably because like a lot of people it seems they had insight that Pala was in discussions with you to run "Your" race there.
So they were purely trying to make sure that their investment was worthwhile in the long term,
While your party had probably already agreed to the new deal in 2011.
Boy I hope those comped rooms were worth it,
Did they give you free chips as well,
Were there thirty of them ?.
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3/25/2010 11:00am
JB65 wrote:
So... GH wanted a commitment from you that if they did make improvements to to their facility you would continue to run "your" race there, Presumably...
So...
GH wanted a commitment from you that if they did make improvements to to their facility you would continue to run "your" race there,
Presumably because like a lot of people it seems they had insight that Pala was in discussions with you to run "Your" race there.
So they were purely trying to make sure that their investment was worthwhile in the long term,
While your party had probably already agreed to the new deal in 2011.
Boy I hope those comped rooms were worth it,
Did they give you free chips as well,
Were there thirty of them ?.
jb.
flarider wrote:
More assumptions!!

WOW

It's like a fucking sea of assumptions in here.....


wave after wave after wave of assumptions
JB65 wrote:
I am repeating in plain english a translation of the contract language Mr Coombs himself posted,
If thats an assumption you need a dictionary.
jb
Oh, so, you're NOT implying anyhting out-side of the original intent?

Oh, Our bad!
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3/25/2010 11:01am
Trip wrote:
So where is his side of the story?? He gave some pc bullshit of a statement. I could of written last night. Where are some facts...
So where is his side of the story?? He gave some pc bullshit of a statement. I could of written last night.

Where are some facts about what went wrong?? What was he asking for that Glen Helen said no to? What did he want Glen Helen to do that he wasn't asking any other track to do??

He is like David Koresh, he controls it all, he has his followers who think he is the messiah. Mx journalists (and I use that term loosely) are afraid to write anything bad about him.

I have been ranting for a long time about how the people who cover the sport for us only tell us what they want. A week ago when I brought up that the Glen Helen National was having issues, a bunch of you guys told me it wasn't a big story. I didn't read where one journalist even mentioned what was going on with Glen Helen. Why not???? Maybe afraid of DC and getting their fancy little press pass taken away?

Matthes? Where you at kid??? This has you written all over it. Oh, I know you said the riders, sponsors, team managers and so on all hated Glen Helen, but where is the flip side??? Was the contract with Glen Helen really different than what was being asked of the other tracks??? I know you wont say a bad word about DC, for fear you will end up like TFS, so, just go talk about Alessi burning another bridge.

RIP Glen Helen National
from what I know, the tracks are all part of the NPG. I.E. national promoters group. their main purpose, is to keep things going smooth and help one another with ideas to make things better.

so from what I’ve been told, GH wasn't a member, and fought with everyone on the board about everything. I could be wrong, but that's what I was told.

bottom line, it's not MX Sports fault.... if you want to be a part of the team, then be a part of the team. if not, then beat it.


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3/25/2010 11:03am
So Mr DC could you post what exactly were the changes your organization demanded that GH make to appease you?
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flarider wrote:
More assumptions!!

WOW

It's like a fucking sea of assumptions in here.....


wave after wave after wave of assumptions
JB65 wrote:
I am repeating in plain english a translation of the contract language Mr Coombs himself posted,
If thats an assumption you need a dictionary.
jb
DC posted this? [b]Presumably because like a lot of people it seems they had insight that Pala was in discussions with you to run "Your" race...
DC posted this?

Presumably because like a lot of people it seems they had insight that Pala was in discussions with you to run "Your" race there.
So they were purely trying to make sure that their investment was worthwhile in the long term,
While your party had probably already agreed to the new deal in 2011.
Boy I hope those comped rooms were worth it,
Did they give you free chips as well,
Were there thirty of them ?.
Yes about 3 quotes down from top of the page.
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Wow, this really sucks. Thanks DC. Oh, and it's DR. Feldkamp, not "Mr."

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