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NeWskoolmxer 10/19/2010 3:57pm
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Looks really cumfy on it already, Can't wait till' 2011 A1 epicness is of the charts!
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redrider400 10/19/2010 4:01pm
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Looks good on it, just proves my theory that any elite rider can ride any make well.
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Picardo 10/19/2010 4:11pm
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as a shorty fan....he is and will not be the same
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gotwings 10/19/2010 4:16pm
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Cool! All the power of a tuned 250, but with the weight of a 450!!!

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crf250pilot 10/19/2010 4:24pm
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Hope Shorty has an AWESOME year, i'm PUMPED to see him on the 350.
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DPW 10/19/2010 4:40pm
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time for the "awesome" drinking game...short looks good on the KTM, hurry up sx season!
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adamdf 10/19/2010 4:49pm
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Those bikes jus look so darn good
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I like Short, but I think the KTM isn't going to do his career any justice. No way that bike is going to be as good as a factory honda... Hope he proves me wrong. He didn't look comfy on it to me like everyone else was saying.
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swizcore 10/19/2010 5:01pm
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gotwings wrote:
Cool! All the power of a tuned 250, but with the weight of a 450!!!
Gotta admit, thats funny... cause its true.
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"It's AWESOME!
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gotwings wrote:
Cool! All the power of a tuned 250, but with the weight of a 450!!!
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Gotta admit, thats funny... cause its true.
For a stock bike yes it is. But do any of you actually think the factory KTM (a company known for making BIG power) doesn't have the bike really trim and really fast?
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swizcore 10/19/2010 5:27pm
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gotwings wrote:
Cool! All the power of a tuned 250, but with the weight of a 450!!!
swizcore wrote:
Gotta admit, thats funny... cause its true.
Kinetic1 wrote:
For a stock bike yes it is. But do any of you actually think the factory KTM (a company known for making BIG power) doesn't have...
For a stock bike yes it is. But do any of you actually think the factory KTM (a company known for making BIG power) doesn't have the bike really trim and really fast?
Heard that Alessi's 350 weighed in even with the 450's at MXoN.
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Picardo wrote:
as a shorty fan....he is and will not be the same
Wow. Your nostalgic about a red trimmed pile of metal and plastic.
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Johan905 10/19/2010 5:48pm
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why all this trash talk about the bike... i think factory KTM know how to make the most out of this 350 and Andrew Short have a great team in his back!! some people just can´t stop talk shit about ktm... and he have the option to ride the 450!! Interesting ....
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gotwings wrote:
Cool! All the power of a tuned 250, but with the weight of a 450!!!
swizcore wrote:
Gotta admit, thats funny... cause its true.
Kinetic1 wrote:
For a stock bike yes it is. But do any of you actually think the factory KTM (a company known for making BIG power) doesn't have...
For a stock bike yes it is. But do any of you actually think the factory KTM (a company known for making BIG power) doesn't have the bike really trim and really fast?
I think people truly under estimate KTM...

Why is it that we regulars know whats best all the time, i would think that Shorty wouldn't make a decision he thought was bad for him....times have changed too, all this "KTM can't be as good as a Honda" is bull....shit....
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SL91 10/19/2010 5:59pm
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How could you NOT be a fan of this guy?!! Always one of my favorites. Go Shorty!
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Trent179 10/19/2010 6:04pm
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Johan905 wrote:
why all this trash talk about the bike... i think factory KTM know how to make the most out of this 350 and Andrew Short have...
why all this trash talk about the bike... i think factory KTM know how to make the most out of this 350 and Andrew Short have a great team in his back!! some people just can´t stop talk shit about ktm... and he have the option to ride the 450!! Interesting ....
To me the 350 or 450 ktm just feel so awkward... I have only sat on the 350 though, haven't rode one. Just sitting on the thing, it feels like a dual purpose bike. Plus the tank is very wide for some reason. I don't have anything against ktm, I've just never rode one that felt good. They are some of the trickest looking bikes on the market though! Also, Reed's tweet about the 350... Sounded like he was nicely trying to say that it sucked. It's not just a ktm thing to me, hell I can't stand the way the new yamahas feel either.
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sdfog1 10/19/2010 6:07pm
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He does look pretty comfortable for barely having any time on the bike IMO. I think the change may be enough to light a fire in him to get some more speed. To be honest, I think he's going to need it to maintain his "consistent top 5 guy" status if the 450 class is as stacked as it's looking to be. I'm a Shorty fan, hoping he adjusts well and helps KTM attain some more market share. I think KTM made a great decision hiring him.

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wownd out 10/19/2010 6:17pm
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If it was 20 pounds lighter and handled like a125 it might be competetive, but it still wouldn't be able to tie the rhythm sections together without the power of a 450, and good luck passing on the inside!.
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wownd out wrote:
If it was 20 pounds lighter and handled like a125 it might be competetive, but it still wouldn't be able to tie the rhythm sections together...
If it was 20 pounds lighter and handled like a125 it might be competetive, but it still wouldn't be able to tie the rhythm sections together without the power of a 450, and good luck passing on the inside!.
the 250's do 99% of all the rhythm sections just fine but a 350 cant?? Where is the rationale on this one?
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swizcore 10/19/2010 6:25pm
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I'm not trash talking the bike or under estimating KTM. It was stated that the Alessi 350 weighed the same as the 450's.

I think KTM makes awesome bikes and I'm a big fan of Shorty.
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wownd out wrote:
If it was 20 pounds lighter and handled like a125 it might be competetive, but it still wouldn't be able to tie the rhythm sections together...
If it was 20 pounds lighter and handled like a125 it might be competetive, but it still wouldn't be able to tie the rhythm sections together without the power of a 450, and good luck passing on the inside!.
Maybe someone should notify AC.
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Grieby54 10/19/2010 6:31pm
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wownd out wrote:
If it was 20 pounds lighter and handled like a125 it might be competetive, but it still wouldn't be able to tie the rhythm sections together...
If it was 20 pounds lighter and handled like a125 it might be competetive, but it still wouldn't be able to tie the rhythm sections together without the power of a 450, and good luck passing on the inside!.
hartebreak wrote:
the 250's do 99% of all the rhythm sections just fine but a 350 cant?? Where is the rationale on this one?
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wownd out 10/19/2010 6:33pm
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wownd out wrote:
If it was 20 pounds lighter and handled like a125 it might be competetive, but it still wouldn't be able to tie the rhythm sections together...
If it was 20 pounds lighter and handled like a125 it might be competetive, but it still wouldn't be able to tie the rhythm sections together without the power of a 450, and good luck passing on the inside!.
hartebreak wrote:
the 250's do 99% of all the rhythm sections just fine but a 350 cant?? Where is the rationale on this one?
Well do you think he will be jumping the same sections as the other 450's there are alot of times where only the top few guys are jumping a certain section and barely making it!, like i said if it were 20 pounds lighter and handled like a 125 it would help level the playing field but hell if it weighs the same with less power, screw that!
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Grieby54 10/19/2010 6:38pm
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wownd out wrote:
If it was 20 pounds lighter and handled like a125 it might be competetive, but it still wouldn't be able to tie the rhythm sections together...
If it was 20 pounds lighter and handled like a125 it might be competetive, but it still wouldn't be able to tie the rhythm sections together without the power of a 450, and good luck passing on the inside!.
hartebreak wrote:
the 250's do 99% of all the rhythm sections just fine but a 350 cant?? Where is the rationale on this one?
wownd out wrote:
Well do you think he will be jumping the same sections as the other 450's there are alot of times where only the top few guys...
Well do you think he will be jumping the same sections as the other 450's there are alot of times where only the top few guys are jumping a certain section and barely making it!, like i said if it were 20 pounds lighter and handled like a 125 it would help level the playing field but hell if it weighs the same with less power, screw that!
Uhm... yes. Either it's only one or two guys doing a different rhythm in the 450 class or everybody's doing it. There's never been a "top 10 guy rhythm section." He will clear everything just fine.

It may have a few ft lbs less torque, but that'll only be really noticeable off the start I'm guessing.
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adamdf 10/19/2010 6:47pm
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swizcore wrote:
I'm not trash talking the bike or under estimating KTM. It was stated that the Alessi 350 weighed the same as the 450's. I think KTM...
I'm not trash talking the bike or under estimating KTM. It was stated that the Alessi 350 weighed the same as the 450's.

I think KTM makes awesome bikes and I'm a big fan of Shorty.
do you take into account at any point the fact that the 350 still feels lighter than a 450? Making it able to corner easier and switch direction easier?

Weight at a stand still is not the be all end all and we often forget that
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dunn2500 10/19/2010 6:54pm
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funny how 250f's take up half of the fastest overall lap times in sx............in one last year 15 out of 25 were 250f's...........350 could be better than a 450 for sx, easier to throw around and brake........i think a 350 or 250f will hug an inside line better than a 450.........look at JG33 in the x-games a few years ago on his honda 250, he smoked a ton of 450's and holeshotted a few.........on that hardpack sx surface i think a 450 is too much to apply all of its power w/o spinning...............we shall see!
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wownd out 10/19/2010 6:55pm
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hartebreak wrote:
the 250's do 99% of all the rhythm sections just fine but a 350 cant?? Where is the rationale on this one?
wownd out wrote:
Well do you think he will be jumping the same sections as the other 450's there are alot of times where only the top few guys...
Well do you think he will be jumping the same sections as the other 450's there are alot of times where only the top few guys are jumping a certain section and barely making it!, like i said if it were 20 pounds lighter and handled like a 125 it would help level the playing field but hell if it weighs the same with less power, screw that!
Grieby54 wrote:
Uhm... yes. Either it's only one or two guys doing a different rhythm in the 450 class or everybody's doing it. There's never been a "top...
Uhm... yes. Either it's only one or two guys doing a different rhythm in the 450 class or everybody's doing it. There's never been a "top 10 guy rhythm section." He will clear everything just fine.

It may have a few ft lbs less torque, but that'll only be really noticeable off the start I'm guessing.
I said a few not top 10, and it will be even less without Short being able to jump these sections.
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swizcore 10/19/2010 6:59pm
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swizcore wrote:
I'm not trash talking the bike or under estimating KTM. It was stated that the Alessi 350 weighed the same as the 450's. I think KTM...
I'm not trash talking the bike or under estimating KTM. It was stated that the Alessi 350 weighed the same as the 450's.

I think KTM makes awesome bikes and I'm a big fan of Shorty.
adamdf wrote:
do you take into account at any point the fact that the 350 still feels lighter than a 450? Making it able to corner easier and...
do you take into account at any point the fact that the 350 still feels lighter than a 450? Making it able to corner easier and switch direction easier?

Weight at a stand still is not the be all end all and we often forget that
Very true. Shorty already said the mass centralization on the 350 is much different than his Honda was, time will tell if thats a trait he likes or has trouble adapting to.
One thing is certain, Andrew will bust his ass and not make excuses.

I don't know if there is a better person to debut the 350 in SX than Andrew for that simple fact.
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adamdf 10/19/2010 7:07pm
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swizcore wrote:
I'm not trash talking the bike or under estimating KTM. It was stated that the Alessi 350 weighed the same as the 450's. I think KTM...
I'm not trash talking the bike or under estimating KTM. It was stated that the Alessi 350 weighed the same as the 450's.

I think KTM makes awesome bikes and I'm a big fan of Shorty.
adamdf wrote:
do you take into account at any point the fact that the 350 still feels lighter than a 450? Making it able to corner easier and...
do you take into account at any point the fact that the 350 still feels lighter than a 450? Making it able to corner easier and switch direction easier?

Weight at a stand still is not the be all end all and we often forget that
swizcore wrote:
Very true. Shorty already said the mass centralization on the 350 is much different than his Honda was, time will tell if thats a trait he...
Very true. Shorty already said the mass centralization on the 350 is much different than his Honda was, time will tell if thats a trait he likes or has trouble adapting to.
One thing is certain, Andrew will bust his ass and not make excuses.

I don't know if there is a better person to debut the 350 in SX than Andrew for that simple fact.
Was he talking about the 350? Or was he just meaning the weight bias on the KTMs in general, thought it was the latter.....

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