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1/27/2012 7:09am
PAYDAY FOR SX LITES MAIN $450.00
LESS Fuel to get to race : -$200.00
Sign-up fee: -$200.00
Race Gas: -$100.00
Mechanic Pass: -$ 40.00
Hotel: -$250.00
Food: -$100.00
Hotel Parking: -$ 20.00
NET WINNINGS FOR 1 SX WEEKEND: -$460.00
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE? SOLD OUT STADIUM IN INDY ESTIMATING 61,500 Spectators (per announcer) x $25.00 minimum ticket price = $1,537,500.00
Not to mention $4.00 cokes and $7.00 draft beers plus outrageous food costs in stadium. SOMEONE'S WALLET IS GETTING FAT!!
GOD BLESS THE PRIVATEERS - GOOD THING SUPERCROSS IS AN ADDICTION OR I DON'T IMAGINE TOO MANY PEOPLE WOULD JUMP ON BOARD TO GO IN THE HOLE (ASSUMING YOU MAKE THE NIGHT SHOW) WEEKEND AFTER WEEKEND!! THANKS TO ALL THOSE WHO OFFER CONTINGENCY - YOU MAKE IT WORTH THE EFFORT.
GO PRIVATEERS - KICK SOME BUTT - GOOD LUCK IN DAYTONA!!
LESS Fuel to get to race : -$200.00
Sign-up fee: -$200.00
Race Gas: -$100.00
Mechanic Pass: -$ 40.00
Hotel: -$250.00
Food: -$100.00
Hotel Parking: -$ 20.00
NET WINNINGS FOR 1 SX WEEKEND: -$460.00
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE? SOLD OUT STADIUM IN INDY ESTIMATING 61,500 Spectators (per announcer) x $25.00 minimum ticket price = $1,537,500.00
Not to mention $4.00 cokes and $7.00 draft beers plus outrageous food costs in stadium. SOMEONE'S WALLET IS GETTING FAT!!
GOD BLESS THE PRIVATEERS - GOOD THING SUPERCROSS IS AN ADDICTION OR I DON'T IMAGINE TOO MANY PEOPLE WOULD JUMP ON BOARD TO GO IN THE HOLE (ASSUMING YOU MAKE THE NIGHT SHOW) WEEKEND AFTER WEEKEND!! THANKS TO ALL THOSE WHO OFFER CONTINGENCY - YOU MAKE IT WORTH THE EFFORT.
GO PRIVATEERS - KICK SOME BUTT - GOOD LUCK IN DAYTONA!!
Shall I go on ?
Wow...$7 beers, you are lucky, here in California, they're $9.50 !
Yeah, it's free to lease a Stadium, Parking lot Attendants are free, every empoylee on staff are all volunteers...Dirt Werx, builds the track for free...
It def. isn't $1million for that overhead dude. That would still put $400K in the promoters pockets even if it was.
A lot of the staff are actually volunteers or 1099 workers. Parking lot attendants are paid by the parking fee's charged ($8-10)...
You have any better arguments to why the purse shouldn't be more?
And the lites class hasn't been increased since 2006 according to the NRG stats.
Please list, as best you can, all of the expenses involved in operating one SX event, from facility rental, day staffing, permanent staffing (that weeks pay), transportation (trucking and air fares), track building, subcontractors, lodging, per diems, security and everything else, and then please give your estimate of what is a fair margin of profit considering they take all the risk and still have the same expenses even if the event has minimal turn out due to economic or weather issues.
The Shop
Medical Staff
Flaggers, yes volunteer but they get a ticket for a family member, t-shirts, food etc that isn't free.
The crew they hire to put up every banner you see in that place
Two kinds of Security, there is the stadiums and Feld's own security for the pits.
I would say Feld has roughly 30+ people from Chicago there, and another 30-40 contracted labor there.
The parking and food etc is generally the responsibility of the stadium and part of their rental agreement, stadium gets those fees.
I worked for Them for 10+ years ? I was paid and my expenses, plus you have all the AMA workers, yes AMA pays that but they get a fee from Feld to have those workers there. It's not cheap putting on a SX, I helped with Jeremy's, lots and lots of expenses.
It's tough to make a living on MX/SX, you have to be part of the chosen few...
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EVERYONE AGREES ON THAT, EVERYONE.
That said, answer the question about the breakdown of what you estimate the costs are per event and what you think is a fair profit margin for the risk.
Use the categories I and others provided to make your estimates, write them here.
BTW, the promoters do not typically get anything from the concession sales, as those are typically run by charities and/or schools who keep the profits, just as the promoter does not get the parking fees.
Please fill in the amounts below
Stadium rental
Dirt hauling
Dirt wurx per event
Feld staffing salaries
feld staff transportation (include rental car costs)
Feld staff hotel
Feld staff per diem (food, etc)
Security (inside/outside)
Event insurance
Event advertising
Fireworks per event
Medical staffing
Trucking costs to get everything to each event (driver, fuel, fees)
Event roadies (electricians, pyro, engineer/assembly labor)
Misc rentals (fencing, railings, porta cans, garbage cans/fees)
Heavy Equipment rentals
Camera/TV production team (that's done by Feld, not CBS or Speed)
TV Air time (They don't run it out of the goodness of their hearts)
And one more time...........
GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE PRIVATEERS IN DAYTONA!! WIN BIG!!
Add another 5 bucks to the gate fee and put it in the purse and you would triple the purse for indy. Don't give me this crap that the promoter isn't making plenty of money and we should add their costs. I used to promote a local race in Ohio and made money and paid well.
Its pathetic to think a pro at this event who makes it to the night program would have made more scanning tickets at the gate. Hell they would make more picking up cans in the parking lot and recycling. So stop with the OH the promoter BS and what about their expenses. BLAH BLAH BLAH.
If you are the entertainment you should make money, Argue if you must but in this economy it won't be long before we won't be able to fill the main event starting gate because its not worth it for people to show.
Revenue from ticket sales only, based on 07 attendance figures= $25million at $30/ticket.
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Sondy132001 wrote: I'm with ya on that, I lived with Deegan for almost 3 years
Whoa....can we start a thread on that alone?
Indy had 60,000+@ $5 = $300,000 for just that event.
Split it 60% SX/40% Lites. $180,000 for SX/$120,000 for Lites.
Percentage considering 10 Private Riders
SX Lites
25% 1st-45,000 1st- 36,000
15% 2nd-27,000 2nd-18,000
15% 3rd- 27,000 3rd-18,000
10% 4th- 18,000 4th- 12,000
10% 5th- 18,000 5th- 12,000
5% 6-10th.- 9,000 6-10th- 6,000
Say that the 18 SXs average 40,000 paying fans. Say 700,000 watch in person and at $5 extra a ticket; 3.5 million total privateer purse available.
Using that 40,000 avg. per race, 1st privateer in SX would make $16,000. Say that rider is top privateer 10 times; itself it's $160,000 and the most if one were top SX privateer would be $288,000 if they were top every single round. Now that is real dough for the risk to reward these great guys.
Even the Blairs, McCrummens, Kilbargers can make some good dough in Lites.
Would bring new riders into the sport. and local level racing would increase again if families of those newer riders see you can make a real living at the top of your craft, instead of spending more than getting paid....in front of 60,000+fans....a travesty.
I know I rather donate $5 more bucks to pay those riders and miss Starbuck coffees.
Just think it would help growing racing knowing a payoff were there even if you aren't the best rider, but a consistent privateer main eventer. Legitimizes the sport further.
Look what happened to all those substitute football leagues that paid much more than our sport does. Worthless Beckham hasn't done crap for U.S. Soccer...
Over 35 yrs around it and I've spent plenty in hopes of my rider would make it while others that don't even ride profited big from the sport.
60 grand attending Indy, yet they pay their football team hundreds of millions/yr in a stadium that doesn't hold that much more to justify a rider paying and losing money making the main...
Does Tiger have to pay to play in a tournament? Do baseball and hockey players have to buy a ticket for their game? I still don't understand why having a professional license isn't admission enough?
I hope someday idiots can stop comparing fringe sports to mainstream ball sports.
Also, I disagree that it is irrelevant to compare MX/SX (which you identify as a "fringe" sport) to ball sports. The purpose of my post was to compare "professional" sports, in which I include both MX and SX since we tend to refer to the top riders as "professionals." From my perspective, I don't understand what is to be gained from charging riders an entry fee after they have already purchased a professional license. Perhaps a reasonable solution would be to increase the cost of the license but eliminate entry fees for riders with a pro license.
Anywho, thanks for pointing out the flaws in my "retarded logic." I'll go back to licking lead paint from old metal flag poles now and wait for you to provide a reasonable solution to the perceived SX payout issue.
61000 (amount of tickets sold) for Indy
$93000 total of current purses combined for Indy.
Add a $1.50 to the ticket price and you double the pro purse. How hard is it to add a couple of bucks to the ticket price to pay more of a purse or to increase the pro purse every few years or so. Who would have a problem with that. The purse has changed so little over the years and yet its so easy to increase. The promoter won't loose any money on that, and a majority of fans would pay it gladly.
We don't need a riders union to accomplish this, just common sense. The way it currently is will kill off competition even more than it currently is. More money will create more competition for that money.
Funded by donations from the fans?
Pick one event to start...or have there been too many bad experiences in this vein?
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