Rider Concussion Knowledge paper

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I am currently writing a paper on "To what extent are motocross riders appropriately informed about the correct procedure when suffering a concussion" with four sub/focus questions. I am required to use primary and secondary data, and as part of the primary data i am doing a survey. It will literally take 5 minutes to complete the survey. There is 24 questions in total of the three links, but SurveyMonkey was being shit and made me make 3 separate surveys. I would really appreciate it if you guys could please take 5 minutes of your time to complete my survey! Feel free to share it around where ever you can! Thank you very much for your time.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CYX728C

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CC68YJS

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CJHQD82
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Zaugg 2/23/2015 10:29am
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Done.

Some of the questions don't provide enough information to offer a Yes or No answer but well done.

Would love to see the results.

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Done.
mxracer618 2/26/2015 7:17am
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Done!

Please share your results, I work at a helmet company and would be very interested to see what you find....
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My best friend's 8 year old boy just crashed last week and was out for about a minute on the track. Scary situation but all is well at this point considering. He has a broken wrist and is healing up. My question relates to post recovery from the concussion. What is the best way to recover from something like that? No TV, video games, reading, for a certain amount of time??? They just want to make sure he fully recovers from it and are getting mixed information from the doctor vs. what he is seeing online.

Thanks,
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Zaugg 2/26/2015 8:24am
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jasonv43 wrote:
My best friend's 8 year old boy just crashed last week and was out for about a minute on the track. Scary situation but all is...
My best friend's 8 year old boy just crashed last week and was out for about a minute on the track. Scary situation but all is well at this point considering. He has a broken wrist and is healing up. My question relates to post recovery from the concussion. What is the best way to recover from something like that? No TV, video games, reading, for a certain amount of time??? They just want to make sure he fully recovers from it and are getting mixed information from the doctor vs. what he is seeing online.

Thanks,
Not to sound snarky but asking for that kind of advice on a message board is probably not a good idea.

I'd have your best friend consult his son's doctor AND a specialist then ask him for alternative sources so he can research the matter.

People will gravitate to what they want to believe not to the truth when doing research...and (shocker) the internet isn't always a credible source.

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I would kindly ask you all to not participate in this study. The questions on the survey provided were copied by drewstaz directly from research I have conducted as part of my master's thesis work. He has not obtained permission to use these questions, nor did he come up with them himself. I am currently making contact with the proper authorities to have this survey removed from the website. If you are interested in the research I have conducted on this topic, please message me privately.
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Zaugg wrote:
Not to sound snarky but asking for that kind of advice on a message board is probably not a good idea. I'd have your best friend...
Not to sound snarky but asking for that kind of advice on a message board is probably not a good idea.

I'd have your best friend consult his son's doctor AND a specialist then ask him for alternative sources so he can research the matter.

People will gravitate to what they want to believe not to the truth when doing research...and (shocker) the internet isn't always a credible source.

True. Did he see a doctor? He should probably see a pediatric neurologist.
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mxatc520 wrote:
I would kindly ask you all to not participate in this study. The questions on the survey provided were copied by drewstaz directly from research I...
I would kindly ask you all to not participate in this study. The questions on the survey provided were copied by drewstaz directly from research I have conducted as part of my master's thesis work. He has not obtained permission to use these questions, nor did he come up with them himself. I am currently making contact with the proper authorities to have this survey removed from the website. If you are interested in the research I have conducted on this topic, please message me privately.
Doh! Too late, but I hope you get this resolved.

drewstaz, you got some 'splainin' to do...
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I would kindly ask you all to not participate in this study. The questions on the survey provided were copied by drewstaz directly from research I...
I would kindly ask you all to not participate in this study. The questions on the survey provided were copied by drewstaz directly from research I have conducted as part of my master's thesis work. He has not obtained permission to use these questions, nor did he come up with them himself. I am currently making contact with the proper authorities to have this survey removed from the website. If you are interested in the research I have conducted on this topic, please message me privately.
Any offering of proof?
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What a circus this thread is.
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mxatc520 wrote:
I would kindly ask you all to not participate in this study. The questions on the survey provided were copied by drewstaz directly from research I...
I would kindly ask you all to not participate in this study. The questions on the survey provided were copied by drewstaz directly from research I have conducted as part of my master's thesis work. He has not obtained permission to use these questions, nor did he come up with them himself. I am currently making contact with the proper authorities to have this survey removed from the website. If you are interested in the research I have conducted on this topic, please message me privately.
Don't worry man, I answered the complete opposite of what I thought just to skew his results.
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mxatc520 2/26/2015 10:51am
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I have no problem offering proof. I am quite proud of the hard work I put towards this especially since I want to be an athletic trainer working in motocross. Here is the pdf to my thesis as well as the post someone placed on vital mx for me to get people to take my survey. If you scroll through my paper towards the end you will see the questions that I came up with.

http://digitalcommons.georgiasouthern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1…

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Grad-Student-doing-resear…
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mxatc520 wrote:
I have no problem offering proof. I am quite proud of the hard work I put towards this especially since I want to be an athletic...
I have no problem offering proof. I am quite proud of the hard work I put towards this especially since I want to be an athletic trainer working in motocross. Here is the pdf to my thesis as well as the post someone placed on vital mx for me to get people to take my survey. If you scroll through my paper towards the end you will see the questions that I came up with.

http://digitalcommons.georgiasouthern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1…

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Grad-Student-doing-resear…
Wow. It's crazy how you didn't get any replies a 3 years ago but this kid posts and gets all kinds of replies. . .

I just read the abstract of your paper. It says that you don't necessarily have to keep a patient with a concussion awake? I'm going to try to read your paper but it's quite long and I have the attention span of a fly. Why do you think that a majority of people think that and where is the confusion? Is there ever a time that you should keep a concussion patient awake?
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mxatc520 2/26/2015 11:45am
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IWreckALot wrote:
Wow. It's crazy how you didn't get any replies a 3 years ago but this kid posts and gets all kinds of replies. . . I...
Wow. It's crazy how you didn't get any replies a 3 years ago but this kid posts and gets all kinds of replies. . .

I just read the abstract of your paper. It says that you don't necessarily have to keep a patient with a concussion awake? I'm going to try to read your paper but it's quite long and I have the attention span of a fly. Why do you think that a majority of people think that and where is the confusion? Is there ever a time that you should keep a concussion patient awake?
First, when you look through my study you will see that I mainly posted my link on Facebook and Twitter and other people were kind enough to post it other places including he forum for me.

To answer your question though about keeping people awake with a concussion. The confusion comes from people not being able to discern between a concussion and subdural hematoma. With a hematoma the concern becomes a blood leak in the brain, but concussions require rest (aka letting the brain not focus on unnecessary things and letting it run on autopilot like your breathing and running your autonomic system). Hope this answers your question. I hope this answers your question, and if you want to know more I have no problem answering your questions. Plus there is going to be a shortened published version!
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IWreckALot wrote:
Wow. It's crazy how you didn't get any replies a 3 years ago but this kid posts and gets all kinds of replies. . . I...
Wow. It's crazy how you didn't get any replies a 3 years ago but this kid posts and gets all kinds of replies. . .

I just read the abstract of your paper. It says that you don't necessarily have to keep a patient with a concussion awake? I'm going to try to read your paper but it's quite long and I have the attention span of a fly. Why do you think that a majority of people think that and where is the confusion? Is there ever a time that you should keep a concussion patient awake?
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First, when you look through my study you will see that I mainly posted my link on Facebook and Twitter and other people were kind enough...
First, when you look through my study you will see that I mainly posted my link on Facebook and Twitter and other people were kind enough to post it other places including he forum for me.

To answer your question though about keeping people awake with a concussion. The confusion comes from people not being able to discern between a concussion and subdural hematoma. With a hematoma the concern becomes a blood leak in the brain, but concussions require rest (aka letting the brain not focus on unnecessary things and letting it run on autopilot like your breathing and running your autonomic system). Hope this answers your question. I hope this answers your question, and if you want to know more I have no problem answering your questions. Plus there is going to be a shortened published version!
Sorry man, i did the survey too before i saw your post. My initial thought was any research or fact finding on the subject would benefit all athletes. I didn't bother reading down through all the posts as the first couple all said done, so I figured everyone was just taking the poll. You might want to just get hold of GuyB, Scottie, or ML and have them pull the thread until the survey is pulled from the internet. Just a thought.

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jasonv43 2/26/2015 12:38pm
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jasonv43 wrote:
My best friend's 8 year old boy just crashed last week and was out for about a minute on the track. Scary situation but all is...
My best friend's 8 year old boy just crashed last week and was out for about a minute on the track. Scary situation but all is well at this point considering. He has a broken wrist and is healing up. My question relates to post recovery from the concussion. What is the best way to recover from something like that? No TV, video games, reading, for a certain amount of time??? They just want to make sure he fully recovers from it and are getting mixed information from the doctor vs. what he is seeing online.

Thanks,
Zaugg wrote:
Not to sound snarky but asking for that kind of advice on a message board is probably not a good idea. I'd have your best friend...
Not to sound snarky but asking for that kind of advice on a message board is probably not a good idea.

I'd have your best friend consult his son's doctor AND a specialist then ask him for alternative sources so he can research the matter.

People will gravitate to what they want to believe not to the truth when doing research...and (shocker) the internet isn't always a credible source.

Agreed on all parts. Just curious to get other people's take on it is all. I think he's just looking for as much info as he can at this point. It was something they had never been through and was / is a situation that they want to handle the best way possible.
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TeamGreen 2/26/2015 1:13pm
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IWreckALot wrote:
Wow. It's crazy how you didn't get any replies a 3 years ago but this kid posts and gets all kinds of replies. . . I...
Wow. It's crazy how you didn't get any replies a 3 years ago but this kid posts and gets all kinds of replies. . .

I just read the abstract of your paper. It says that you don't necessarily have to keep a patient with a concussion awake? I'm going to try to read your paper but it's quite long and I have the attention span of a fly. Why do you think that a majority of people think that and where is the confusion? Is there ever a time that you should keep a concussion patient awake?
mxatc520 wrote:
First, when you look through my study you will see that I mainly posted my link on Facebook and Twitter and other people were kind enough...
First, when you look through my study you will see that I mainly posted my link on Facebook and Twitter and other people were kind enough to post it other places including he forum for me.

To answer your question though about keeping people awake with a concussion. The confusion comes from people not being able to discern between a concussion and subdural hematoma. With a hematoma the concern becomes a blood leak in the brain, but concussions require rest (aka letting the brain not focus on unnecessary things and letting it run on autopilot like your breathing and running your autonomic system). Hope this answers your question. I hope this answers your question, and if you want to know more I have no problem answering your questions. Plus there is going to be a shortened published version!
Has he published a paper or results based on your work?

Has he bent or mis-used any of your findings &/or taken credit for any of your work?
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mxatc520 2/26/2015 1:27pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
Has he published a paper or results based on your work? Has he bent or mis-used any of your findings &/or taken credit for any of...
Has he published a paper or results based on your work?

Has he bent or mis-used any of your findings &/or taken credit for any of your work?
No he has not, but I wanted to make sure that this gets stopped before he tries, especially since most recently I found out that my paper is getting ready to be published. I worked very hard to get riders to take this survey, and was fortunate to get over 1300 riders to take it and I don't want someone to come in and take away all the hard work I have done and all the time others have put in to help me make my research significant enough to get medical advisers to look at this wonderful sport that I care about!

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