RacerX Racerhead #48 - Townley

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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 9:22pm
"One thing to take away from Bercy: I think Tony Cairoli should give himself another year before trying AMA Supercross as the extremely fast outdoor rider just didn't look comfortable out there, and Bercy is nothing like a real big American SX track like he would see at Anaheim or Atlanta. He could compete for an AMA outdoor title, no problem, but like past interlopers Greg Albertyn, Sebastien Tortelli, Ben Townley and Tyla Rattray, Supercross might be a real challenge for him"

Am I missing something or did Townely win a supercross championship his rookie season over here? Why does everybody think this guy can't ride supercross?!
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11/26/2010 7:50pm
uhh, Townley had to skip a year after destroying his knee on a SX track while preparing for his rookie season.

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SMITH201 wrote:
uhh, Townley had to skip a year after destroying his knee on a SX track while preparing for his rookie season.

So he had a crash testing. If that's what it takes for someone to not be a good rider can can go ahead an mark Stewart off the list, RV2 off the list, etc...
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11/26/2010 7:54pm
SMITH201 wrote:
uhh, Townley had to skip a year after destroying his knee on a SX track while preparing for his rookie season.

Yep.
Also when CP first came over for couple races,he did really well.
However,I believe he hurt his ankle.
11/26/2010 7:58pm
I to am dumbfounded by the short term memory loss by mx fans and media when it comes to BT's sx skills.Townley not only won a SX title but he did it after , I think, DNF'ing round 1. He came back to beat Morias by 3 points. Not to mention there was some kid name Dungey in the same series. He not only won the series but he looked good doing it as well.

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I to am dumbfounded by the short term memory loss by mx fans and media when it comes to BT's sx skills.Townley not only won a...
I to am dumbfounded by the short term memory loss by mx fans and media when it comes to BT's sx skills.Townley not only won a SX title but he did it after , I think, DNF'ing round 1. He came back to beat Morias by 3 points. Not to mention there was some kid name Dungey in the same series. He not only won the series but he looked good doing it as well.
Don't forget Darcy Lange.
11/26/2010 8:05pm Edited Date/Time 11/26/2010 8:06pm
I to am dumbfounded by the short term memory loss by mx fans and media when it comes to BT's sx skills.Townley not only won a...
I to am dumbfounded by the short term memory loss by mx fans and media when it comes to BT's sx skills.Townley not only won a SX title but he did it after , I think, DNF'ing round 1. He came back to beat Morias by 3 points. Not to mention there was some kid name Dungey in the same series. He not only won the series but he looked good doing it as well.
He won a REGIONAL 125/250 championship and that is quite a bit different that the big boys class.
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11/26/2010 8:07pm Edited Date/Time 11/26/2010 8:08pm
He won a REGIONAL 125/250 championship and that is quite a bit different that the big boys class.
I don't care if it was regional or otherwise... You don't win any AMA Supercross titles unless you're a phenomenal supercross rider. Just doesn't happen.
11/26/2010 8:11pm
I to am dumbfounded by the short term memory loss by mx fans and media when it comes to BT's sx skills.Townley not only won a...
I to am dumbfounded by the short term memory loss by mx fans and media when it comes to BT's sx skills.Townley not only won a SX title but he did it after , I think, DNF'ing round 1. He came back to beat Morias by 3 points. Not to mention there was some kid name Dungey in the same series. He not only won the series but he looked good doing it as well.
He won a REGIONAL 125/250 championship and that is quite a bit different that the big boys class.
Which just happens to be the only series he ever raced. 1 series 1 championship. That's a decent record IMO.

I'm not saying he's the best SX racer to ever line up but everyone in the media acts like the guy was a total bust when it came to sx. I don't get that when the only thing we have to base his sx skills on is the one sx series he raced where he happened to win the title.
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Which just happens to be the only series he ever raced. 1 series 1 championship. That's a decent record IMO. I'm not saying he's the best...
Which just happens to be the only series he ever raced. 1 series 1 championship. That's a decent record IMO.

I'm not saying he's the best SX racer to ever line up but everyone in the media acts like the guy was a total bust when it came to sx. I don't get that when the only thing we have to base his sx skills on is the one sx series he raced where he happened to win the title.
+1. My thoughts exactly Dan. Hopefully I didn't come off like a douche expressing them this time Wink
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I agree with Davey.....about AC.....I really like him but it would be hard for him to make the main if he races here, just because of how stacked the class is right now..
11/27/2010 12:23am
I think the take home point is that a sx series can really do damage to a foreign riders reputation if he comes in unprepared. AC is one of the top 3 fastest riders in this sport right now without question; if he were to come into US SX in a similar fashion as he did Bercy, his reputation in American could be unjustifiably tarnished.
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Which just happens to be the only series he ever raced. 1 series 1 championship. That's a decent record IMO. I'm not saying he's the best...
Which just happens to be the only series he ever raced. 1 series 1 championship. That's a decent record IMO.

I'm not saying he's the best SX racer to ever line up but everyone in the media acts like the guy was a total bust when it came to sx. I don't get that when the only thing we have to base his sx skills on is the one sx series he raced where he happened to win the title.
Gimme a fuggin' break with the "everyone in the media" BS, will ya?
11/27/2010 6:15am Edited Date/Time 11/27/2010 6:17am
Which just happens to be the only series he ever raced. 1 series 1 championship. That's a decent record IMO. I'm not saying he's the best...
Which just happens to be the only series he ever raced. 1 series 1 championship. That's a decent record IMO.

I'm not saying he's the best SX racer to ever line up but everyone in the media acts like the guy was a total bust when it came to sx. I don't get that when the only thing we have to base his sx skills on is the one sx series he raced where he happened to win the title.
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Gimme a fuggin' break with the "everyone in the media" BS, will ya?
It's all good grieby,.. Sorry about the douche comment.. Hope we can write that off to a bad day at the dunes house.

kardy.. I've never heard anything in the media other than negative print , in one fashion or another , about BT's sx skills or lack there of. . Racerhead this week is just one example of many. If you can find me one example of the contrary other than a report back in 2007 I'd be amazed.

I will say i should of changed that sentence to read a lot of people in the media instead of everyone though.
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11/27/2010 6:37am Edited Date/Time 11/27/2010 6:42am
It's all good grieby,.. Sorry about the douche comment.. Hope we can write that off to a bad day at the dunes house. kardy.. I've never...
It's all good grieby,.. Sorry about the douche comment.. Hope we can write that off to a bad day at the dunes house.

kardy.. I've never heard anything in the media other than negative print , in one fashion or another , about BT's sx skills or lack there of. . Racerhead this week is just one example of many. If you can find me one example of the contrary other than a report back in 2007 I'd be amazed.

I will say i should of changed that sentence to read a lot of people in the media instead of everyone though.
Yeah I'll get right on that. I think any confirmation of the fact that he'd won a regional title would be a testament that he was a solid SX rider, without having to expand on it. I work in the media, he's a solid SX rider and former champ, happy?
11/27/2010 6:48am Edited Date/Time 11/27/2010 6:49am
It's all good grieby,.. Sorry about the douche comment.. Hope we can write that off to a bad day at the dunes house. kardy.. I've never...
It's all good grieby,.. Sorry about the douche comment.. Hope we can write that off to a bad day at the dunes house.

kardy.. I've never heard anything in the media other than negative print , in one fashion or another , about BT's sx skills or lack there of. . Racerhead this week is just one example of many. If you can find me one example of the contrary other than a report back in 2007 I'd be amazed.

I will say i should of changed that sentence to read a lot of people in the media instead of everyone though.
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Yeah I'll get right on that. I think any confirmation of the fact that he'd won a regional title would be a testament that he was...
Yeah I'll get right on that. I think any confirmation of the fact that he'd won a regional title would be a testament that he was a solid SX rider, without having to expand on it. I work in the media, he's a solid SX rider and former champ, happy?
kardy.. just out of curiosity. Why when this whole thread is about the media discounting BT's SX skills is my post the one you picked on? No issue w/you , just curious.
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11/27/2010 7:01am Edited Date/Time 11/27/2010 7:01am
kardy.. just out of curiosity. Why when this whole thread is about the media discounting BT's SX skills is my post the one you picked on...
kardy.. just out of curiosity. Why when this whole thread is about the media discounting BT's SX skills is my post the one you picked on? No issue w/you , just curious.
You're the one that explicitly stated "everyone in the media" and other variations thereof. It was an ignorant and misplaced statement, and I called you out on it. That's all.
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I to am dumbfounded by the short term memory loss by mx fans and media when it comes to BT's sx skills.Townley not only won a...
I to am dumbfounded by the short term memory loss by mx fans and media when it comes to BT's sx skills.Townley not only won a SX title but he did it after , I think, DNF'ing round 1. He came back to beat Morias by 3 points. Not to mention there was some kid name Dungey in the same series. He not only won the series but he looked good doing it as well.
Cant of been Ryan Dungey, he didnt turn pro til Millville that year....
11/27/2010 7:14am
I to am dumbfounded by the short term memory loss by mx fans and media when it comes to BT's sx skills.Townley not only won a...
I to am dumbfounded by the short term memory loss by mx fans and media when it comes to BT's sx skills.Townley not only won a SX title but he did it after , I think, DNF'ing round 1. He came back to beat Morias by 3 points. Not to mention there was some kid name Dungey in the same series. He not only won the series but he looked good doing it as well.
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Cant of been Ryan Dungey, he didnt turn pro til Millville that year....
2007 East coast sx points.

Ben Townley
133
Ryan Morais
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Darcy Lange
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Branden Jesseman
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Ryan Dungey
98
Billy Laninovich (Team AMSOIL)
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Thomas Hahn
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Mike Alessi
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Matt Goerke
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Justin Brayton
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11/27/2010 7:26am
Ben Townley says this thread rules.









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I to am dumbfounded by the short term memory loss by mx fans and media when it comes to BT's sx skills.Townley not only won a...
I to am dumbfounded by the short term memory loss by mx fans and media when it comes to BT's sx skills.Townley not only won a SX title but he did it after , I think, DNF'ing round 1. He came back to beat Morias by 3 points. Not to mention there was some kid name Dungey in the same series. He not only won the series but he looked good doing it as well.
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Cant of been Ryan Dungey, he didnt turn pro til Millville that year....
2007 East coast sx points. Ben Townley 133 Ryan Morais 130 Darcy Lange 117 Branden Jesseman 103 Ryan Dungey 98 Billy Laninovich (Team AMSOIL) 85 Thomas...
2007 East coast sx points.

Ben Townley
133
Ryan Morais
130
Darcy Lange
117
Branden Jesseman
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Ryan Dungey
98
Billy Laninovich (Team AMSOIL)
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Thomas Hahn
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Mike Alessi
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Matt Goerke
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Justin Brayton
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My bad, i was thinking he won it in 06. Sorry Smile
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Here's an interview I did with Ben after the final round of the East series that year...

Ben Townley came from three points down to wrap up the Supercross Lites title on Saturday night at Ford Field in Detroit, MI. (Check the link at the top of the article for all the race coverage.) That made it a clean sweep for the Monster Energy/Pro Circuit/Kawasaki crew in ’07 Supercross Lites, taking the West title with Ryan Villopoto, and the East with Townley. Of course, it was also a pretty amazing comeback for Ben, after an injury-filled ’06, and a DNF in Atlanta to start this year’s Supercross campaign. We caught up with him after the race to find out how his day (and night) went.

Vital MX: What did it feel like coming into the weekend?

Ben Townley: it was just like always, just go out and do my job. I concentrated on Supercross this whole break we had and just tried to make sure I left nothing on the table tonight.

Coming out of the gate during the main event and looking around, what was going through your head?

I came out of the gate and I don’t know where I was coming into the first turn. I felt pretty good, but it was a sketchy first turn and I sort of got pushed high. I just took my time, and like always the first couple of turns were hairy. It took me a couple laps, and obviously I didn’t know that it was Morais that had stalled at that time. I didn’t know whether it was him or Goerke. About lap five I came over the finish line and sort of took a breath and looked at the leader board and realized that he wasn’t up there. At that stage I sort of knew I just had to finish the race out and make sure I didn’t do anything stupid.

I got barely halfway through and I just tried to ride it out from there.

Were you seeing any of your pit boards?

The only pit board I’ve seen all year from Craig was the very last lap. It’s so hard. I’m still learning Supercross and having to look at the pit boards is quite hard for me still. But I did look at the last lap and he said, “Go inside,” which I’d planned to do anyway.

It feels very gratifying after last year, and after coming out of Atlanta with no points.

Ben Townley


After the problem in Atlanta, what kind of chance did you give yourself for a title?

I don’t know. I didn’t really think about it at all. In Atlanta I was just so relieved when I was running in second and maybe had an opportunity at winning, I was like, ‘Man.’ I hadn’t even done a Supercross and all of a sudden I might be able to win, so I was pretty excited to know that I had the speed and I’d got one out of the way. As the championship went on and I was able to slowly creep back in there, I felt like I had a shot, maybe after Daytona. I was thinking, ‘I could get back into this thing.’ Then Orlando didn’t go that well, and I was like, ‘Man, I gave away some points there, that was kind of stupid.’ In Indy I got back on the podium, and won Dallas, and that brings us to here.

It’s been a great season to win three races and this championship in my first year of Supercross…it feels great.

What does this title mean to you?

Ah, it’s a dream come true. That side of it is very hard to put into words right now because of the emotion. As a New Zealander having to sacrifice so much when I was really young…as a lot of young people do… I don’t get to spend time at home, and being away from home all the time is tough. All of that makes tonight feel so good. All that sacrifice, and thinking that it was all worth it. I know they’re celebrating in New Zealand. Kiwis like to celebrate.

How long will this take to sink in?

It will take a while. I truly believe that when you achieve something that you’ve really gone after for a long time, you really have to soak it up and make sure you enjoy it. It’s a great, great achievement for me and my family and crew. After all those years, and especially after what happened last year. (When he spent most of the year sidelined with injuries.)

How much preparation have you had to get ready for the outdoor season?

Nothing. I rode Monday after Dallas, and rode my 450 outdoors back home and had quite a decent crash and I was like, ‘Man, I need to stick to the Supercross thing for the next three weeks.’ I’m glad I did, you know?
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11/27/2010 8:21am Edited Date/Time 11/27/2010 8:28am
Which just happens to be the only series he ever raced. 1 series 1 championship. That's a decent record IMO. I'm not saying he's the best...
Which just happens to be the only series he ever raced. 1 series 1 championship. That's a decent record IMO.

I'm not saying he's the best SX racer to ever line up but everyone in the media acts like the guy was a total bust when it came to sx. I don't get that when the only thing we have to base his sx skills on is the one sx series he raced where he happened to win the title.
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+1. My thoughts exactly Dan. Hopefully I didn't come off like a douche expressing them this time Wink
He can ride SX... he just isn't going to set the world on fire like everyone expects him too. He's essentially "moonlighting" for a few rounds, pun intended. He's just doing it for the experience. He's putting his pride behind having fun. A REAL motocross rider. How many top riders over here would go to Europe and race knowing they stand no chance at a top 5?
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Dan, gang, it has been historically difficult for foreign riders from pretty much anywhere but France or Australia (which have good domestic SX programs) to do well right out of the gate in SX, and the older you get, the tougher it is to do well. BT is a very good SX rider, but he lost two full seasons just practicing SX, and another practicing MX if I remember correctly.

"the media" is not out to get Ben or anyone; I was just making a point that if Tony struggled in Bercy, he would probably really struggle at Anaheim, and that wouldn't do his standing as one of the very best MX riders in the world any good here. Given time, yes, he could learn it, but I ink he's more focused on Grand Prix titles.

I think SX practice and difficulty robbed Greg Albertyn of a lot of MX success here, as well as Sebastien Tortelli and even Tyla Rattray, but it's still early in his career here.

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Well, what does it say that Townley doesn't want to ride SX in the U.S. anymore? I think DC's initial point is valid and not intended to be a shot at Townley.
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11/27/2010 9:46am Edited Date/Time 11/27/2010 9:49am
I'm not bashing on you DC, I understand the point you were making. I've just heard several other people commenting on BT's SX skills. I believe he's had just as many problems on the MX track as the SX track - the dude crashes a LOT - and I don't think that can be contributed to one series or the other. He's a fast rider both indoors an out that finds the dirt more than his fair share of times, and obviously, the consequences are typically more severe in SX.
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I'm not bashing on you DC, I understand the point you were making. I've just heard several other people commenting on BT's SX skills. I believe...
I'm not bashing on you DC, I understand the point you were making. I've just heard several other people commenting on BT's SX skills. I believe he's had just as many problems on the MX track as the SX track - the dude crashes a LOT - and I don't think that can be contributed to one series or the other. He's a fast rider both indoors an out that finds the dirt more than his fair share of times, and obviously, the consequences are typically more severe in SX.
Townley is the next Hepler.
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I to am dumbfounded by the short term memory loss by mx fans and media when it comes to BT's sx skills.Townley not only won a...
I to am dumbfounded by the short term memory loss by mx fans and media when it comes to BT's sx skills.Townley not only won a SX title but he did it after , I think, DNF'ing round 1. He came back to beat Morias by 3 points. Not to mention there was some kid name Dungey in the same series. He not only won the series but he looked good doing it as well.
He won a REGIONAL 125/250 championship and that is quite a bit different that the big boys class.
Which just happens to be the only series he ever raced. 1 series 1 championship. That's a decent record IMO. I'm not saying he's the best...
Which just happens to be the only series he ever raced. 1 series 1 championship. That's a decent record IMO.

I'm not saying he's the best SX racer to ever line up but everyone in the media acts like the guy was a total bust when it came to sx. I don't get that when the only thing we have to base his sx skills on is the one sx series he raced where he happened to win the title.
X2 This "its only" a Regional championship is crap, it is a full on AMA Factory supported Champoinship, and just beating his teamate, Lange, was a huge accomplishment.

And who win the so Called Big Boy titles, the SX lites champs, has a 450 SX title ever been won won by a non SX 250 champion?
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Cygnus wrote:
Townley is the next Hepler.
Now that I will agree with.

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