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5/23/2010 3:08pm Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 2:14pm
Really on a 350? There isn't anything stopping KTM from punching it out to a 400 or more rules wise is there?
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5/23/2010 3:21pm
Good point. I wondered the same thing myself.
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They need to tear one down after a race to shut you guys up.

It's all a conspiracy, blah, blah, blah.

First it's: There's no way a 350 can win, down way too much power.

Then when it wins it's: There's no way he's on a 350, KTM is lying to everyone.
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Here we go with another moronic thread covering shit we are discussing elsewhere.

Reading is a lost art.
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5/23/2010 3:31pm
Watching the live alli moto alessi pulling grant up the hill come on really .................

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Taylor156 wrote:
Watching the live alli moto alessi pulling grant up the hill come on really .................
"It's all in the shifting." Wink
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Faceaz wrote:
They need to tear one down after a race to shut you guys up. It's all a conspiracy, blah, blah, blah. First it's: There's no way...
They need to tear one down after a race to shut you guys up.

It's all a conspiracy, blah, blah, blah.

First it's: There's no way a 350 can win, down way too much power.

Then when it wins it's: There's no way he's on a 350, KTM is lying to everyone.
You mean the ama isn't even gonna tear it down after the race??? how the hell do they enforce the rules?
5/23/2010 3:54pm
I'm not saying it isn't a 350, just prove it. Allow the AMA to confirm it in a tear down after a race that he holeshots and wins. It would be HUGE for KTM marketing.

If not it's up in the air.

I don't think there are any rules that would stop KTM from increasing the displacement on the bike up to 450cc's. Not that going that far would be needed but you would never know. They will not let Mike keep his bike overnight. I wonder why. I mean they are known for being inquisitive about their equipment. If the Alessi's figured out he was on something other than a 350 and got pissed at KTM they could spill the beans and that would be a serious blow to KTM 350 sales. On the other hand if they prove it, 350's will go rolling out the doors.
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5/23/2010 3:58pm
Faceaz wrote:
They need to tear one down after a race to shut you guys up. It's all a conspiracy, blah, blah, blah. First it's: There's no way...
They need to tear one down after a race to shut you guys up.

It's all a conspiracy, blah, blah, blah.

First it's: There's no way a 350 can win, down way too much power.

Then when it wins it's: There's no way he's on a 350, KTM is lying to everyone.
Some people will NEVER be convinced .....Alessi just layed wood to everyone on a 350!!!! 350, did you read that .....a 350. Doubters just hate to admit they were wrong and Alessi just proved you don't need a 450 to win .....I love it I've been saying this bike would work since day 1.

"I think we answered a lot of questions today" Mike Alessi.

Love it .....eat crow doubters.
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Carioli has been taking wins on his 350 all season, Rui his team mate, still rides the 450
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Taylor156 wrote:
Watching the live alli moto alessi pulling grant up the hill come on really .................
Yes he did that on a 350....The 250f's ran the EXACT same laptimes as the 450's so what's you're point?

He did it on a 350 and im pumped for him and KTM, they will be selling a LOT of those bikes this year and next.....I'll bet the "Big 4" are freaking out right about now.

And couchdriver they won't let him keep the bike because it's a works bike and Im sur ethey want to keep their (KTM's) secrets to why the bike is so good until it is released and don't want to take any chances, you don't think the competition want to get their hands on that bike as soon as possible???? You're kidding yourself.

Besides the Alessi's haven't had the best track record for lettiing someone else look into works bikes....at least that was what was rumored yet never confirmed. KTM is playing it safe to keep their edge....give up the conspiracy theory.
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5/23/2010 4:05pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 11:02pm
I'm not saying it isn't a 350, just prove it. Allow the AMA to confirm it in a tear down after a race that he holeshots...
I'm not saying it isn't a 350, just prove it. Allow the AMA to confirm it in a tear down after a race that he holeshots and wins. It would be HUGE for KTM marketing.

If not it's up in the air.

I don't think there are any rules that would stop KTM from increasing the displacement on the bike up to 450cc's. Not that going that far would be needed but you would never know. They will not let Mike keep his bike overnight. I wonder why. I mean they are known for being inquisitive about their equipment. If the Alessi's figured out he was on something other than a 350 and got pissed at KTM they could spill the beans and that would be a serious blow to KTM 350 sales. On the other hand if they prove it, 350's will go rolling out the doors.
I don't know what the rules for a tear down are. But, if there's a question that someone is over the limit, you could bet the AMA is going after someone claiming to be on a 450, not something claiming to be100cc's under the limit. Can't they do a volumetric test without tearing it down? Put it @ BDC & measure the amount of fluid it would hold.

I couldn't blame KTM to not let the Alessi's keep it. The Alessi's have had people tear down other bikes to see what they had. KTM would risk all of their R&D. testing / specs for the 350 becoming public knowledge. There's are soo many people that would like to get a chance & see exactly what KTM is doing in there & the Alessi's could just hand it right over.
5/23/2010 4:05pm
Faceaz wrote:
They need to tear one down after a race to shut you guys up. It's all a conspiracy, blah, blah, blah. First it's: There's no way...
They need to tear one down after a race to shut you guys up.

It's all a conspiracy, blah, blah, blah.

First it's: There's no way a 350 can win, down way too much power.

Then when it wins it's: There's no way he's on a 350, KTM is lying to everyone.
Some people will NEVER be convinced .....Alessi just layed wood to everyone on a 350!!!! 350, did you read that .....a 350. Doubters just hate to...
Some people will NEVER be convinced .....Alessi just layed wood to everyone on a 350!!!! 350, did you read that .....a 350. Doubters just hate to admit they were wrong and Alessi just proved you don't need a 450 to win .....I love it I've been saying this bike would work since day 1.

"I think we answered a lot of questions today" Mike Alessi.

Love it .....eat crow doubters.
I read it, "a 350", but you know that for sure. All I'm saying is you don't know that. If I were KTM I would have the AMA confirm it in a tear down as that would be HUGE for sales. If they don't, how do we know, because they said so?
5/23/2010 4:11pm
I know lightning, if I were KTM, I wouldn't let him keep it. I'm not saying he's not on a 350, just that if he was, that was amazing both on Mike's part and KTM's for building that bike. Furthermore if I were KTM and that is in fact a 350 I would be proving that out bike just toted the mail on the big 4 with a 100cc disadvantage!
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Once the bike is Homologated, you have to run it to spec...

It is a 350...

Why the hell would anyone think any different?!?!
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It is a 350 and again he owned the entire field on a 350......let the naysayers say what they will buut you are right crush it has to be to spec so KTM has nothing to gain by cheating the first couple rounds and this just skyrocked their orders and sales....way to go KTM proving you don't need a pig of a 450 to win the outdoors where HP is king.

In the words of the great Todd Potter "THAT JUST HAPPENED"
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He knows how to win, 350 or 450. He'll win.
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It is a 350 and again he owned the entire field on a 350......let the naysayers say what they will buut you are right crush it...
It is a 350 and again he owned the entire field on a 350......let the naysayers say what they will buut you are right crush it has to be to spec so KTM has nothing to gain by cheating the first couple rounds and this just skyrocked their orders and sales....way to go KTM proving you don't need a pig of a 450 to win the outdoors where HP is king.

In the words of the great Todd Potter "THAT JUST HAPPENED"
SCOOTER SOUNDED STROOOONG TOO.
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5/23/2010 6:57pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 11:03pm
Faceaz wrote:
They need to tear one down after a race to shut you guys up. It's all a conspiracy, blah, blah, blah. First it's: There's no way...
They need to tear one down after a race to shut you guys up.

It's all a conspiracy, blah, blah, blah.

First it's: There's no way a 350 can win, down way too much power.

Then when it wins it's: There's no way he's on a 350, KTM is lying to everyone.
Some people will NEVER be convinced .....Alessi just layed wood to everyone on a 350!!!! 350, did you read that .....a 350. Doubters just hate to...
Some people will NEVER be convinced .....Alessi just layed wood to everyone on a 350!!!! 350, did you read that .....a 350. Doubters just hate to admit they were wrong and Alessi just proved you don't need a 450 to win .....I love it I've been saying this bike would work since day 1.

"I think we answered a lot of questions today" Mike Alessi.

Love it .....eat crow doubters.
I read it, "a 350", but you know that for sure. All I'm saying is you don't know that. If I were KTM I would have...
I read it, "a 350", but you know that for sure. All I'm saying is you don't know that. If I were KTM I would have the AMA confirm it in a tear down as that would be HUGE for sales. If they don't, how do we know, because they said so?
Yeah, Because everyone is paranoid that it might be illegal in the 350 Class.

People look for power, handling, suspension & weight. I've never heard of someone going into a dealership & saying prove the displacement to me, otherwise I'm not buying it.
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F1 Mechanics don't work on the engine. Its taken out, into a room, and worked on in private.
If it needs a plug, the engine boys pull the engine.

At least thats how it was years ago, and I bet now, moreso with everyone so close.

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oldAFI wrote:
You mean the ama isn't even gonna tear it down after the race??? how the hell do they enforce the rules?
Do you know how much it is to protest someone in the AMA?
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All I have to say about this thread is - Wow. Unbelievable.
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5/23/2010 7:06pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 11:03pm
Crush wrote:
Once the bike is Homologated, you have to run it to spec...

It is a 350...

Why the hell would anyone think any different?!?!
ERRRR Wrong...


Long before the YZ450F came out Ferry was running a 450 back when the bikes off the showroom floor were 426



Cooper on the 570 or whatever ridiculous thing that was...

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5/23/2010 7:09pm
Taylor156 wrote:
Watching the live alli moto alessi pulling grant up the hill come on really .................
Alessi is a much better rider than Grant the Jr Thug wanna be, what a waste.
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I'm not saying it isn't a 350, just prove it. Allow the AMA to confirm it in a tear down after a race that he holeshots...
I'm not saying it isn't a 350, just prove it. Allow the AMA to confirm it in a tear down after a race that he holeshots and wins. It would be HUGE for KTM marketing.

If not it's up in the air.

I don't think there are any rules that would stop KTM from increasing the displacement on the bike up to 450cc's. Not that going that far would be needed but you would never know. They will not let Mike keep his bike overnight. I wonder why. I mean they are known for being inquisitive about their equipment. If the Alessi's figured out he was on something other than a 350 and got pissed at KTM they could spill the beans and that would be a serious blow to KTM 350 sales. On the other hand if they prove it, 350's will go rolling out the doors.
I agree with you, but i can also say for a fact that his motor is not the same motor that will be coming on the stock 350's. I can garranty it has work done.
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5/23/2010 7:26pm
They should force a tear-down on that thing after every race....all year
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you guys are RATARDS! its a 350. you guys are stupid. its a FACTORY bike, it has motor work. no $hit its not exactly whats gonna come on the production bikes moron. neither are ANY of the factory bikes out there.

But i guarntee that it is 350ccs and is no bigger. the one guys was right. the 250s lay down just as fast of laps as the 450s. its all about getting traction and putting it down. cariolis winning on it and now mike it. its gonna be an amzing bike. perfect for any of us spodes. even better then a 450.

get over and move on just because its not jap. everyone hates. ktms have always been fast, always will be. stop being brainwashed, now they have linkage to please all you na-sayers. shut up and watch the races!
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5/23/2010 7:37pm
Would anyone really trust the AMA to tear down anything???

Do you guys really think KTM would lie about it being a 350? Lots to lose if it isn't within spec for KTM.
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it's not about trust, I just have a fetish about tearing motors apart.
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5/23/2010 7:53pm
I think it's great that it's whipping all the must have 450's on the line.

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