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Take the emphasis off the championship, or do away from it all together. I know it is fun watching people race smart vs race for the win. At the end of the night, is a person winning a championship more entertaining than 2-3 guys going balls out for the win?
So how do they do that? (Drop Championship)
- Increase purse for winner significantly over the rest (still increase the rest as well)
- Drop the Heats, Semis and LCQs (less time on track)
- Run two 10 lap mains (no overall, just individual races)
- Keep practice time the same
- Stop making flowing tracks
- Get rid of sand sections
If you want to watch who is the most consistent/smartest (Championship still in tact)
- Start Dungey backwards on the line, or with a 25 point deficit (kidding)
- Go to MXDN points style system (exclude the team portion)
- 1st gets 1 point, 2nd gets 2, 3rd gets 3, so on...person with lowest points wins the championship. Maybe give a point reduction for pole position.
- Still get rid of Heats, Semis and LCQs.
- Ramp up the practice time, allow riders to get the track nailed down...give the casual viewer 20 minutes per class of real racing. I almost fall asleep watching 4 hours of boring ass racing..
Like I said before at the end of the day who, as a viewer, gives a shit about a championship. You could have someone win a championship without ever winning..just by being the one who doesn't crash out.
This is somewhat in response to the chase system..but more so because I want to see what people have as alternatives to the current system and rumored chase system.
Please attack me below with your contradicting ideas :-)
(also I'm aware of the chase topic but this is not that topic, this is for alternatives you guys would want to see..
So how do they do that? (Drop Championship)
- Increase purse for winner significantly over the rest (still increase the rest as well)
- Drop the Heats, Semis and LCQs (less time on track)
- Run two 10 lap mains (no overall, just individual races)
- Keep practice time the same
- Stop making flowing tracks
- Get rid of sand sections
If you want to watch who is the most consistent/smartest (Championship still in tact)
- Start Dungey backwards on the line, or with a 25 point deficit (kidding)
- Go to MXDN points style system (exclude the team portion)
- 1st gets 1 point, 2nd gets 2, 3rd gets 3, so on...person with lowest points wins the championship. Maybe give a point reduction for pole position.
- Still get rid of Heats, Semis and LCQs.
- Ramp up the practice time, allow riders to get the track nailed down...give the casual viewer 20 minutes per class of real racing. I almost fall asleep watching 4 hours of boring ass racing..
Like I said before at the end of the day who, as a viewer, gives a shit about a championship. You could have someone win a championship without ever winning..just by being the one who doesn't crash out.
This is somewhat in response to the chase system..but more so because I want to see what people have as alternatives to the current system and rumored chase system.
Please attack me below with your contradicting ideas :-)
(also I'm aware of the chase topic but this is not that topic, this is for alternatives you guys would want to see..
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Less CA rounds would be a good start. Keep it at 3 I would think.
Maybe make the 250 class a support class with stock type rules
Consider the 450 class the premier class and run two 10 lap main events.
Race day would go more like this
450 Heat 1
450 Heat 2
250 Heat 1
250 Heat 2
450 LCQ
250 LCQ
450 Main 1
250 Main
450 Main 2
My personal thoughts are people would be much more interested in watching 2 main events + add in more behind the scenes stuff. People, including myself, really enjoy the "Behind the Scenes" stuff. The stadium fan will
An analogy: if you watch any other sport is the game anything other than what actually counts?
I think "average finish" best determines the champion over the course of a season. Artificially weighing certain places does the riders a disservice IMO.
As for "fixing SX". Im not sure the on-track product needs much fixing. Feld & the AMA got things I wish they did differently and the trickle down effect to the teams & riders would benefit "the show" over time. But damn, the racing is pretty good and the polish of the production has finally grown up (sans Ralph). The field is really deep and for the first time in a LONG time the SX2 class actually feels like a feeder series. All of the best talent are on 450s like it should be.
1. Every 450 racer not named Ryan Dungey needs to ride faster.
Problem solved.
1. With CA rounds I am so damn tired by the time the main is on I can barely keep my eyes open and I'm just in the midwest, I can't imagine East Coast folks.
2. "Stock type" for 250 class would be great! I would imagine the only restriction you could make would be on mapping, motor and pipe. The suspension would have to open for how gnarly those tracks get.
Also, OEMs would have more money to kick out some support to the privateers for bikes. Make for some even racing and better transition for riders coming in from amateurs.
3. Starting with 450s would be much better than 250s. That is a lot more interesting for a casual fan.
4. AX moved back to Fall and opener back in Des Moines, Iowa. Man I miss going to AX. I used to go every year as a kid then they moved it around and screwed it all up. Bastards. It fulfilled my hunger between MX and SX.
Funny thing, when I used to watch AX, I never knew or cared who was leading the points. just who won the race that night.
Start the night show with opening ceremonies and then go directly in to:
450 Dash - 6 Laps. Points to the top 5.
250 Heat 1
250 Heat 2
450 Sprint - 10 Laps. Points to the top 10.
250 LCQ
Track Prep
250 Main Event
450 Main Event - 20 laps. Points to top 20 and a larger cash prize.
More talent on the track. More opportunity for points. The first 6 laps of a Main Event are always crazy. The first 10 have produced some surprise leaders/efforts. The 20 lap is iconic and proves who is, without a doubt, a bad dude.
Only count the Main Event winner as the winner for the event.
Reminds me too much of the Chase thread...
Pit Row
2nd 23
3rd 20
4th 18
Rest 1 pt deduction from higher finisher
17,16 etc
250cc bikes should be the main class
and the support class should be 125cc two strokes
450cc on a tiny sx track is way, way overkill
this way, the manufacturers would have 125s, 250's and 450's to promote and sell since the 450's would show up in the outdoor races
but then actually, who needs 450cc's these days, we could just drop em and go 125 two stroke / 250 four stroke for both sx and mx
oh, and make the main 25 laps and all the other heats etc add 5 laps too
and take out about half the jumps..... the riders do not race when they are just hanging around up in the air
450's to freakin' gnarly indoors.
Award points for heat wins- 1st thru 3rd, and allow them to drop the worst finish in a main event-
If the Championship and competitiveness within the championship is the goal, we need to tighten the points. In this sport there isn't huge variances in finishing spots persay. One because theres only 20 spots, and two; these days the same guys are battling for the most part the same positions week in and week out +/- 2-3 spots. So making say a 1 point difference between each finishing position makes the stakes of those 2-3 position swings greater in terms of total points and standing within the championship. Plus this limits how quickly one or two people and jump out to a massive lead. You finish one spot ahead of me two weeks in a row, in one week I can catch back up by finishing two spots in front of you in one week.
Couple that with point bonuses for starts and heat finishing (1-5 pays points or something 1st=5, 2nd=4...). I don't think supercross really needs "transformed" and am not interested in recreating the wheel, just altering the way points are awarded, as we do not have spec bikes for every rider (and I wouldn't want them too) so there are equipment advantages, physical conditioning is much more of a factor in this sport than many other forms of racing (Nascar) so there will always be a few that are in better shape than others, and we cant in this sport make talent of all racers equal. This will make each night and every aspect (qualifying races, starts, and mains) more interesting, as well keeping points tighter through out the championship, thus ensuring every round some one has a chance of making a move.
2. Stop grooming the track all day, old school moto guys will love it
3. Last man standing race, anything goes until only one bike on the track.
4. Random length race - after start, a computer generates number from 3-10, that is the lap the checkered flag flies, no white flag.
5. Joker lap - at some point during the race riders have to stop and pick up a Monster girl and run 1 lap with her on the bike.
MOTOCROSS...
please note.... all lower case letters were used in supercross
2) 250) 30 man gates, no more east/west
3) $1 million dollar payouts per event
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