Geoff, question re USGP

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Edited Date/Time 1/18/2012 2:50am
Would GP riders running the entire series and perhaps coming into the last round with a title at stake really want a lot of one-event talent elbowing in on that? How realistic is it to inject a lot of high end US riders at that point?

I wonder if the US round isn't better run to kick the series off (hint, hint: Northern California is spectacular in April. Smile )

Thoughts?
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What I want to know is, how many Americans will be allowed into the program?

If I remember correctly, the way it works at GP's is that there's a set field that races the entire series and the host country of that GP (USA in this instance) can insert like 3 or 4 riders into the program to attempt to qualify.

Every US rider will not be allowed to qualify and potentially bump the entire GP field from their own series.

The number is limited
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Isn't that why they had the 2nd class at the USGP's to let our racers race the event and only a couple Moates Magoo etc race the Main race ??
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7/2/2008 9:02am Edited Date/Time 7/2/2008 9:03am
If that is how it works then I would rather watch the the B class at Loretta Lynn's
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Now with the new rule that you have to fork out 10 grand or whatever it is to race, I bet there aren't hardly any Americans on the line for the GP. I was really looking forward to some American Privateers taken it to some factory GP guys. Oh well I guess they just don't want a true race of Americans vs Euros.

They need to open up the entry to anyone and let the fastest 35 guys from practice race in the main. If that means half of them are American or American based riders not riding the whole series than so be it. I guess they truely are afraid that there riders aren't fast enough??

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Well, and what about the just announced 'fee' YS is collecting for the season from each team? Would US-based teams have to pony up for the entire series to race in the one event? If so, I don't see any US riders even bothering.
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I believe the inserted riders from the host country would be exempt from the team fee, as it is an annual fee for paddock amenities throughout the season
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prozach wrote:
Now with the new rule that you have to fork out 10 grand or whatever it is to race, I bet there aren't hardly any Americans...
Now with the new rule that you have to fork out 10 grand or whatever it is to race, I bet there aren't hardly any Americans on the line for the GP. I was really looking forward to some American Privateers taken it to some factory GP guys. Oh well I guess they just don't want a true race of Americans vs Euros.

They need to open up the entry to anyone and let the fastest 35 guys from practice race in the main. If that means half of them are American or American based riders not riding the whole series than so be it. I guess they truely are afraid that there riders aren't fast enough??
That's how it is (and has been) in each country, it's NOT a US thing
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7/2/2008 10:11am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:28pm
I'm really just trying to ask the question I asked. I think the issues with team fees and such is interesting and I'd like to hear the whole story with both sides on that, but it's a different question.

Back in the day when there were 500 and 250 gps here, they were at different venues and different dates, and US riders not doing the whole series had to elect one or the other, not ride both. Some guys would run support at one race and the gp at the other. Some would ride just one of the gps. Some would not do any at all.

Not that this drove the question, but Motodude continued his whack conspiracy theory nonsense over at Racetime asserting that no marquee US riders will participate because MX Sports will put the screws to them. I wonder whether guys can and will participate in much depth period. There doesn't seem to be any financial incentive for a one-off ride, and I don't think you could treat them differently financially from the gp regulars. US guys, other than maybe the three headed to the MXdN, are going to be into the off season and transitioning to SX testing and looking to the Vegas race. And you;d have to think including any top US talent would really throw a curve ball at the gp regulars in a points chase.

I think it's awesome the have the GP's coming back to the US, but I wonder whether its realistic or desireable to consider it some kind of showcase for US vs. GP talent.
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FTE, now that you mention it, why would the US MXoN riders even want to race that race? They will most likely be the top 3 US riders and what purpose would it serve to race a meaningless race for them and take the chance of getting injured one week before the biggest race of the year?
7/2/2008 10:27am
I think you might find you will get a good number of your guys in, I know in the past some of the private teams don't travel to the likes of South Africa, Japan, due to the cost, so that might be the same for the US GP, with some more spaces on the gate for American riders. Not sure how it's going to works with the entry fees now and stuff if more will travel.
7/2/2008 10:29am
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FTE, now that you mention it, why would the US MXoN riders even want to race that race? They will most likely be the top 3...
FTE, now that you mention it, why would the US MXoN riders even want to race that race? They will most likely be the top 3 US riders and what purpose would it serve to race a meaningless race for them and take the chance of getting injured one week before the biggest race of the year?
The simple answer is RACERS RACE. All the racers want to see how they match up against the other guys that they don't normally race with. Now if their sponsors want to pay the money to let them race is another matter.
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There is contingency money

and yes, racers race
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rocrac wrote:
If that is how it works then I would rather watch the the B class at Loretta Lynn's
Really? Have you watched a GP lately?
The first round had a three way battle on the last lap! The tracks are cool and the racing is way more interesting than watching Stewart running practice laps out front. I just don't get racers saying these guys are slow...it's ridiculous.
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7/2/2008 11:28am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:28pm
That is an interesting question. As a professional, do you take on an additional race that your team and sponsors may not be excited about?

I would bet that riders that are working on a contract renewal or a new ride for the following season would jump at the chance. Not much downside. If they hit the podium they look like heroes. If they do poorly, there are probably a number of excuses to choose from.


Sorry FTE, that is off topic again.
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rocrac wrote:
If that is how it works then I would rather watch the the B class at Loretta Lynn's
Really? Have you watched a GP lately? The first round had a three way battle on the last lap! The tracks are cool and the racing...
Really? Have you watched a GP lately?
The first round had a three way battle on the last lap! The tracks are cool and the racing is way more interesting than watching Stewart running practice laps out front. I just don't get racers saying these guys are slow...it's ridiculous.
Who said they were slow? What's Stewart have to do with anything? Have you watched a B class at LL?

If the GP's came here and only allowed a couple of American's to race I wouldn't spend my money to attend unless it was in my backyard and still I would rather watch the B class at LL.
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Yep, the B class at LLs has become the premiere class
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I'm really just trying to ask the question I asked. I think the issues with team fees and such is interesting and I'd like to hear...
I'm really just trying to ask the question I asked. I think the issues with team fees and such is interesting and I'd like to hear the whole story with both sides on that, but it's a different question.

Back in the day when there were 500 and 250 gps here, they were at different venues and different dates, and US riders not doing the whole series had to elect one or the other, not ride both. Some guys would run support at one race and the gp at the other. Some would ride just one of the gps. Some would not do any at all.

Not that this drove the question, but Motodude continued his whack conspiracy theory nonsense over at Racetime asserting that no marquee US riders will participate because MX Sports will put the screws to them. I wonder whether guys can and will participate in much depth period. There doesn't seem to be any financial incentive for a one-off ride, and I don't think you could treat them differently financially from the gp regulars. US guys, other than maybe the three headed to the MXdN, are going to be into the off season and transitioning to SX testing and looking to the Vegas race. And you;d have to think including any top US talent would really throw a curve ball at the gp regulars in a points chase.

I think it's awesome the have the GP's coming back to the US, but I wonder whether its realistic or desireable to consider it some kind of showcase for US vs. GP talent.
I love conspiracy theories.
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rocrac wrote:
If that is how it works then I would rather watch the the B class at Loretta Lynn's
actually that support class was filled with many national guys as would this race i suspect.. but many spodes love LL so see ya...lmfao!

after looking at that support class field I'd say it even kicks ass on the main class today...wouldn't you?

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rocrac wrote:
If that is how it works then I would rather watch the the B class at Loretta Lynn's
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actually that support class was filled with many national guys as would this race i suspect.. but many spodes love LL so see ya...lmfao! after looking...
actually that support class was filled with many national guys as would this race i suspect.. but many spodes love LL so see ya...lmfao!

after looking at that support class field I'd say it even kicks ass on the main class today...wouldn't you?

Thanks for the reminder you were a legend in your own mind back in the day.
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rocrac wrote:
If that is how it works then I would rather watch the the B class at Loretta Lynn's
BobbyM wrote:
actually that support class was filled with many national guys as would this race i suspect.. but many spodes love LL so see ya...lmfao! after looking...
actually that support class was filled with many national guys as would this race i suspect.. but many spodes love LL so see ya...lmfao!

after looking at that support class field I'd say it even kicks ass on the main class today...wouldn't you?

Dude, you got beat by Bauer
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rocrac wrote:
If that is how it works then I would rather watch the the B class at Loretta Lynn's
BobbyM wrote:
actually that support class was filled with many national guys as would this race i suspect.. but many spodes love LL so see ya...lmfao! after looking...
actually that support class was filled with many national guys as would this race i suspect.. but many spodes love LL so see ya...lmfao!

after looking at that support class field I'd say it even kicks ass on the main class today...wouldn't you?

rocrac wrote:
Thanks for the reminder you were a legend in your own mind back in the day.
I was referring to howerton and tonyd and barnett and those guys you stupid fuckball
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that was the lineup that day dave.
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BobbyM wrote:
actually that support class was filled with many national guys as would this race i suspect.. but many spodes love LL so see ya...lmfao! after looking...
actually that support class was filled with many national guys as would this race i suspect.. but many spodes love LL so see ya...lmfao!

after looking at that support class field I'd say it even kicks ass on the main class today...wouldn't you?

rocrac wrote:
Thanks for the reminder you were a legend in your own mind back in the day.
BobbyM wrote:
I was referring to howerton and tonyd and barnett and those guys you stupid fuckball
Relax there killer. I am a fan but it is comical watching you name drop every chance you get.
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flarider wrote:
Dude, you got beat by Bauer
I think that is just the entry list...

BobbyM...Cycle City ?
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Probably still got beat by Bauer
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Probably still got beat by Bauer
Oh with out a doubt...
7/2/2008 4:27pm
That was the 1979 USGP Support Class line up. If I remember correctly Bauer didn't do all that well that day.
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That was the 1979 USGP Support Class line up. If I remember correctly Bauer didn't do all that well that day.
C'mon Chuck...let us pick on Bobby !
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That was the 1979 USGP Support Class line up. If I remember correctly Bauer didn't do all that well that day.
no he didn't. if numbers mean shit, and apparently they don't to fucks that can't count. I had an easy...well maybe not so easy time of getting my 1st podium and a 3rd place OA at that race. A flat screwed me on that with 2 laps to go....oh well. next year, but i didn't get a next year.
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7/2/2008 6:33pm Edited Date/Time 7/2/2008 6:33pm
That was the 1979 USGP Support Class line up. If I remember correctly Bauer didn't do all that well that day.

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