Deano's Fade

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Edited Date/Time 3/13/2014 9:45am
I'm a fan of Dean Wilson and Daytona was both good and bad. Overall I think he did pretty good holding off Stewart in the heat race, but I hated to see him fade like a cheap suit late in the race and drop to 7th at the end, letting guys like Short and Hahn past him.

Not sure what the cause was, maybe Ryno's program isn't all that good after all? No one being trained by Baker fades like that , that's for sure...
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Socket946 3/11/2014 5:24pm
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I googled Deano's fade..and this is all I found:



Looks like his number is wrong
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Regis 3/11/2014 5:28pm
3/11/2014 5:28pm Edited Date/Time 3/11/2014 5:30pm
It was arm pump.

Nothing to do with Ryno's program. He's battled this problem before. Hopefully he can figure out why it's happening. Nerves? Breathing? Mental?

Arm pump is crazy. Some riders get it, some don't. Some struggle with it and then it disappears all on its own.
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Trav138 3/11/2014 5:37pm
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Ya considering its his 2nd 450 SX good for sure. Nobody wants to see a rider drop anchor like that, but nerves armpump whatever it was i'm sure he will work through it.
If you look at the positives his starts were solid and he held off some big names for 15 laps. Solid performance and he will get better he has a ton of talent imo
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Sandberm 3/11/2014 6:33pm
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In all honesty, when I think of Dean Wilson and Daytona last week I really dont think "Fade to seventh".

I think, "Winning heat race and being interviewed wearing a Discount Tire hat".....and I also remember him holding off past SX champ Dungey for a loooooong time in the main.

Thats the impresion Dean Wilson left on me from last weeks race.

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dhp_mma94 3/11/2014 6:41pm
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after what i saw @ daytona , when dean gets on the 450 full time & his mind is fully focus , hes goona be a force to be reckon with!!
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kevkx125 3/11/2014 6:48pm
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Machine DW15 trains for 15 lap races not 20 lap races, now that he is racing 450s I would think he will increase his training but will take a while to catch up.
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jstein639 3/11/2014 6:51pm
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The 450 also takes a lot more out of you and the Daytona track is way more exhausting than a normal sx.
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kevkx125 wrote:
Machine DW15 trains for 15 lap races not 20 lap races, now that he is racing 450s I would think he will increase his training but...
Machine DW15 trains for 15 lap races not 20 lap races, now that he is racing 450s I would think he will increase his training but will take a while to catch up.
I was thinking the same thing. You don't just magically get the extra 5-7 minutes of sprint speed if you have been on a program for the 250F. Right about now he should be peaking in his SX training for 15 lappers, not 20.

Maybe he got tired, then got pumped up because he was holding on harder with his hands rather than legs.
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chillrich 3/11/2014 8:23pm
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He may have been fatigued from all the late nights spent trying to speak with an Australian accent
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Derpin' DJ 3/11/2014 8:52pm
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The same thing happened to Roczen last year. Now look at how he rode this year
theinternetkid 3/11/2014 9:25pm
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Socket946 wrote:
I googled Deano's fade..and this is all I found: [img]https://s3-media1.ak.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/54II6tWrknWh2be3Qf0yhg/ls.jpg[/img] Looks like his number is wrong
I googled Deano's fade..and this is all I found:



Looks like his number is wrong
Sick fade though
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chillrich wrote:
He may have been fatigued from all the late nights spent trying to speak with an Australian accent
Har!!
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kongols 3/11/2014 9:56pm
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chillrich wrote:
He may have been fatigued from all the late nights spent trying to speak with an Australian accent
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Underground 3/12/2014 3:52am
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I'd rather qualify 1st in 450's at DAYTONA, beat Stewart and win a heat in 450's at DAYTONA, and then holeshot the main, lead a lap and then run behind Villo for most of the race and only fade to 7th in 450's in the final laps, at DAYTONA, in my 2nd ever 450 SX, then to sit behind a keyboard with the only shining victory, your knob!
Aussie_power_sports 3/12/2014 4:02am
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im guessing his training is focusing on 15 lappers

Plus anybody who has raced will understand that you can mentally exhaust yourself when your in a big race and doing better then you expected

he'll get there especially under chad's guidance
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jstein639 wrote:
The 450 also takes a lot more out of you and the Daytona track is way more exhausting than a normal sx.
This. That track was bumpier than a fat girl's ass. . . Their bikes were all over the place and that just exacerbates arm pump. Considering that with the extra weight of the 450's and 5 extra laps, I'd say it was a huge success for Dean.

The word "exacerbate" means "to worsen". . .

Has Dean ever raced Daytona? I'm bad about remembering which coast these 250 riders race and what seasons. . .
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Nothing new. He faded before and he will keep doing it. You will see flashes of brillance (I.E. Josh Grant) enough to keep Matthes on the Scottish tube steak diet and other "insiders" that pump them up.
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machine wrote:
I'm a fan of Dean Wilson and Daytona was both good and bad. Overall I think he did pretty good holding off Stewart in the heat...
I'm a fan of Dean Wilson and Daytona was both good and bad. Overall I think he did pretty good holding off Stewart in the heat race, but I hated to see him fade like a cheap suit late in the race and drop to 7th at the end, letting guys like Short and Hahn past him.

Not sure what the cause was, maybe Ryno's program isn't all that good after all? No one being trained by Baker fades like that , that's for sure...
Yeah, Jake Weimer didn't have to fade, since he started in the back!

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woody woodpecker 3/12/2014 6:59am
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machine wrote:
I'm a fan of Dean Wilson and Daytona was both good and bad. Overall I think he did pretty good holding off Stewart in the heat...
I'm a fan of Dean Wilson and Daytona was both good and bad. Overall I think he did pretty good holding off Stewart in the heat race, but I hated to see him fade like a cheap suit late in the race and drop to 7th at the end, letting guys like Short and Hahn past him.

Not sure what the cause was, maybe Ryno's program isn't all that good after all? No one being trained by Baker fades like that , that's for sure...
huck wrote:
Yeah, Jake Weimer didn't have to fade, since he started in the back!
Weimer isn't being trained by Baker anymore...
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huck 3/12/2014 7:09am
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machine wrote:
I'm a fan of Dean Wilson and Daytona was both good and bad. Overall I think he did pretty good holding off Stewart in the heat...
I'm a fan of Dean Wilson and Daytona was both good and bad. Overall I think he did pretty good holding off Stewart in the heat race, but I hated to see him fade like a cheap suit late in the race and drop to 7th at the end, letting guys like Short and Hahn past him.

Not sure what the cause was, maybe Ryno's program isn't all that good after all? No one being trained by Baker fades like that , that's for sure...
huck wrote:
Yeah, Jake Weimer didn't have to fade, since he started in the back!
woody woodpecker wrote:
Weimer isn't being trained by Baker anymore...
I didn't say he was... but when he was, he didn't have to fade, since he started in the back.
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Dean did exactly the same thing in the 250 race two years ago at daytona.....Not sure he can overcome it.
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Sandberm wrote:
In all honesty, when I think of Dean Wilson and Daytona last week I really dont think "Fade to seventh". I think, "Winning heat race and...
In all honesty, when I think of Dean Wilson and Daytona last week I really dont think "Fade to seventh".

I think, "Winning heat race and being interviewed wearing a Discount Tire hat".....and I also remember him holding off past SX champ Dungey for a loooooong time in the main.

Thats the impresion Dean Wilson left on me from last weeks race.
Yup

He also got his starts dialed (Thank You Micheal Byrne!) and he's simply got to get some more time on the 450 and learn how to stay "strong" for TWENTY LAPS (on a 450).

He's obviously got the potential and ability to run at the front...from here on out it's like Big James says: "Baby Steps, man. Baby steps."

The West-Coast is gonna get Interesting when he get's back there on his "toy 250", that's for sure. Same goes for Mookie.
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peelout 3/12/2014 8:54am
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Wilson trains to be his best for 15 laps, he was 2nd best for that duration of time. pretty fucking impressive if you ask me.

everyone talking shit on him for fading is fucking clueless.
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huck 3/12/2014 9:01am
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peelout wrote:
Wilson trains to be his best for 15 laps, he was 2nd best for that duration of time. pretty fucking impressive if you ask me. everyone...
Wilson trains to be his best for 15 laps, he was 2nd best for that duration of time. pretty fucking impressive if you ask me.

everyone talking shit on him for fading is fucking clueless.
Yep!

After training for years for a certain length of race, I think Dean did awesome!!! Definitely has the speed to run with anybody!
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ehr400 wrote:
Nothing new. He faded before and he will keep doing it. You will see flashes of brillance (I.E. Josh Grant) enough to keep Matthes on the...
Nothing new. He faded before and he will keep doing it. You will see flashes of brillance (I.E. Josh Grant) enough to keep Matthes on the Scottish tube steak diet and other "insiders" that pump them up.
Seems to be the case the past few years with him...The past 2 years he should and was expected to domintate 250SX and he cracked....Did he come in this year over confident ??..Is he burned out on the 250???..... I like Dean - He is a funny guy and obviously talented, but I often think he tries to hard to be that funny guy and it distracts him ..When he was battling for the outdoor title and his first couple seasons in SX, he was a different guy, or kid basically......It seems once the social media frenzy came into play and he got into the "PR" twitter buisness with his buddy Reed, it has affected his game somewhat...or its just coincidence....

Daytona is a different animal he was clearly on the gas and looked good..Even the 450 vets get tired on that track so fading is part of the game Daytona....We'll have to see how he does in upcoming weeks...He is riding on the high of being on his buddies team with no pressure and to get time on the bike.....
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HenryA 3/12/2014 9:47am
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kevkx125 wrote:
Machine DW15 trains for 15 lap races not 20 lap races, now that he is racing 450s I would think he will increase his training but...
Machine DW15 trains for 15 lap races not 20 lap races, now that he is racing 450s I would think he will increase his training but will take a while to catch up.
Isn't the answer that he's not fit enough? Roczen jumped up to big class on a 350 and almost took the win behind Andrew Short. Did he also train for 15 laps? Dry
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IWreckALot 3/12/2014 10:01am
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So is Byrne done with Mike A. and working with 22 Motorsports or is he consulting for both?

Really shocked with Dean's starts. He was on par all night.
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DownSouth 3/12/2014 10:13am
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kevkx125 wrote:
Machine DW15 trains for 15 lap races not 20 lap races, now that he is racing 450s I would think he will increase his training but...
Machine DW15 trains for 15 lap races not 20 lap races, now that he is racing 450s I would think he will increase his training but will take a while to catch up.
HenryA wrote:
Isn't the answer that he's not fit enough? Roczen jumped up to big class on a 350 and almost took the win behind Andrew Short. Did...
Isn't the answer that he's not fit enough? Roczen jumped up to big class on a 350 and almost took the win behind Andrew Short. Did he also train for 15 laps? Dry
While Roczen did good at Seatlle that is a different animal than Daytona. Roczen did the exact same thing at Daytona 2013 as Wilson did this year, he started up front leading 3 laps and proceded to tire out and fade to 7th, 40 secs behind the winner.
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DownSouth 3/12/2014 10:16am
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IWreckALot wrote:
So is Byrne done with Mike A. and working with 22 Motorsports or is he consulting for both? Really shocked with Dean's starts. He was on...
So is Byrne done with Mike A. and working with 22 Motorsports or is he consulting for both?

Really shocked with Dean's starts. He was on par all night.
Byrne is all over the place. He works with Alessi during the week, recently started helping BTO KTM on race weekends, and apparently was coaching Dean on starts at Reeds last week.
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peelout 3/12/2014 10:19am
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kevkx125 wrote:
Machine DW15 trains for 15 lap races not 20 lap races, now that he is racing 450s I would think he will increase his training but...
Machine DW15 trains for 15 lap races not 20 lap races, now that he is racing 450s I would think he will increase his training but will take a while to catch up.
HenryA wrote:
Isn't the answer that he's not fit enough? Roczen jumped up to big class on a 350 and almost took the win behind Andrew Short. Did...
Isn't the answer that he's not fit enough? Roczen jumped up to big class on a 350 and almost took the win behind Andrew Short. Did he also train for 15 laps? Dry
DownSouth wrote:
While Roczen did good at Seatlle that is a different animal than Daytona. Roczen did the exact same thing at Daytona 2013 as Wilson did this...
While Roczen did good at Seatlle that is a different animal than Daytona. Roczen did the exact same thing at Daytona 2013 as Wilson did this year, he started up front leading 3 laps and proceded to tire out and fade to 7th, 40 secs behind the winner.
your common sense and ability to post facts are not welcome around here, ths is hatin' territory

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